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Originally Posted by Redlambs
Only on letting in the right people before giving them full rights. You tried to argue that there wasn't that many illegals over here, I wonder if you will try to argue that there aren't an abundance of people over here specifically for taking advantage of our seemingly easy-going system?
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Well, depends on how you define abundance. I don't doubt that there are illegals (although I did doubt there were as many as iguanamanc said, but probably not now that I did some digging). As a proportion of total immigration though, illegals and spongers together should make up no more than 30%. Obviously this could go down. The sensible thing to do however is not to restrict immigration, because by definition both illegals and spongers buck the system anyway.
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Originally Posted by Redlambs
Those are the people that should have no say what-so-ever. Separating them form the actual people who should benefit would be an almost impossible task now.
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Believe you me, the current points system does a good job of separating would be spongers from immigrants who contribute. I suggest that rights should be given in proportion to how much tax immigrants pay (with various exceptions), which is a great way to measure direct contributions.
Illegals of course, fall outside all of these. As do EU migrants, who automatically get all their rights upon entry anyway, which is why the focus should be on them rather than non EU migrants.