As Frosty anticipated, this is turning into a debate on the British Empire, with a range of simplistic analyses on offer. But the thread's supposed to be about the principle. In fact, it doesn't need to be about nationalism any more than religious, tribal, racial, political identification.
I'm suggesting that if you feel proud of your group for its successes and glories - which you by no means have to - then logically, you should be ashamed of its failures and wrongs.
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Originally Posted by Giggsy PO
This concept of a national pride/shame is a little bit misleading IMO. You feel proud about some very concrete event, ideas presented by very concrete person/representatives. So I am proud of very concrete persons because of what they did/though/spoke and not because of their same nationality as mine. And the same goes for the negative stuff. People/representatives and their acts, ideas worth of shame, hatred or odium... I donīt consider them as my representatives just because of the same nationality. So in one line I can despise them and simultaneously donīt feel sorry for them.
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Ok, so like Mike you have little or no nationalistic feeling. But many do...
Brad-Dyrak I'll get back to you when I have a minute, I need to think about it.