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Old 9th May 2008, 05:43   #248 (permalink)
devilish
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Originally Posted by united.7 View Post
You are fucking dong it again, why the quotations marks? Your building straw man arguments, its unbelievable, where did i say "being a shite player". Nobody has said they are going to be shite, nobody, we are disputing whether the player coming in will be brought in for a starting role in rotation with Rooney and Tevez or not (as you seem to think).

And i never said that you said we dont need a striker, stop misinterpreting.

Options? Its not all about options, if we wanted options we would get Peter Crouch up front, its about quality and contribution, Manucho gives us "options". Is it not blatantly clear from the names being banded about that Fergie wants quality?

Where the fuck are you going to find one of those?

How many "truly special talents" will want to play second fiddle in sunny Manchester? Big talents come for the football, not a view from the bench.

There are so many games in a season, of course there is room for more quality...

3 games a week for most of the season, 38 league games, potentially 13 Champions league games, The FA Cup, Carling Cup and possibly the World Club Championship in the space of 10 months.

Why spend 10 million on a good striker who is never going to be the best (which is minimum requirment for us), then spend more in a few years time when a "truly special talent" comes along. We wont win European cups with that attitude, we will miss the gravy train by not capitalising on our success. Other people are spending big, we cannot just sit still and wait and why not spend the little extra now, let them gel, then spend a bit less in the future. Hence the staggered fees. On top of this; we are Man Utd, we need the best of the best in every position, this is true for all the top clubs who have ambitions to win the Champions League and more, we dont have a centre forward, success or not this season; we still need a very very very good one and i cant see us stealing one for under 15 million. If the money is there, and we can sell some expendable players why not stump up the money to get one of the best (available) strikers around. Berbatov is absolutely fucking class, we could not go wrong with him. Benzema the other option (in the same class) but he does not want to come to us, Berbatov does and he is available.

lets be realistic actually we are Man Utd, and nobody is going to sell a half decent striker to us for that much. The game has changed and not so big players still command big fees, especially if it is us or Chelsea. There is not going to be a massive difference in price if we are in the market for a striker.

Anyways...

Football isnt like this anymore, 3 top quality strikers for a serious attacking outfit is the requirment. We dont want to be playing 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 every week to accomodate the fact we are short in the striking department, and we are. Ronaldo's goals have carried us in many ways, but he at his best when playing out wide and running at fullbacks, cutting in to shoot or getting behind the defence.

Thats not even it...

The role we are looking (not your bizarre sub theory) for; is somebody to directly replace Saha, if he goes. He may not have been playing much this season, he has been injured, so we have been stretched at times. If he had been fit; then he certainly would have played more, he was preferred to Tevez on a few occasions, and despite being injured for a massive amount he has still racked up 24 appearances. 14 as sub, 10 as not by the way. Im not relaying everything i have said before otherwise this will become a war of attrition, and you will tire me out with your persistancy.

40 goals between our strikeforce is actually not that great of a return rate from our strikers (minus Saha) considering Cole and Yorke got 53 between them, not including Ole's 18 and Teddy Sheringham who wasnt far behind. We need somebody else scoring 20 or more goals a season, Ronaldo no matter how good he is; cannot be expected to knock another 40 from out wide. If he does: then it should be in addition to our strikers scoring lots of goals in a treble winning, or record breaking season. We always aim to be the best, no more Djemba-Djemba's or Klebersons or Forlans that need time to gel, we need something with an instant impact or somebody so talented that it is worth waiting for (Ronaldo).

What are we yet to see?

Man Utd fail with £22M bid for Lyon's Benzema

It is obvious that he has tried, or is trying to sign him:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/180220...nzema-bid.html

In which i will quote:

"It is an area we tried to strengthen last summer and I don't think that's left us"

and...

"I have big hopes for Danny Welbeck and he's progressing well but he's young. And we have Frazier Campbell coming back who has done well at Hull, but he's young as well."

Which implies he is not in the game of waiting for players to develop and fulfill potential.

He explicitly says that he is looking for a striker. By trying to sign Benzema; he is not looking for depth, he is looking for options. If it was depth Fergie was after then why not Manucho, Campbell and Wellbeck?

So dont shy away from points by saying "We are yet to see" and sitting on the fence avoiding the facts.

You have repeatedly used the term muppet, throughout this thread, calling intelligible people who are discussing the issues at hand and listening to eachother. How ironic is it that you have been the most everpresent in the thread, yet label other people with the tag of "transfer muppet".

You are the transfer muppet my friend, you have continually spouted illogical nonsense.
wow thats a long post.

Ill try to read through this epic and reply you back as soon as possible. Anyway it would be pointless since I dont think that bringing in a good player = spending 25m and you dont. Anyway it will soon start that part of season that will make your day and dont worry the media will make sure to keep you on your toes. Luckily we have a manager who wouldnt spend that outrageous sums of money unless the player is truly special and he has the right attitude for the job.
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