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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone
You've actually taken my post out of context.
I'm saying that if Cleverley is going to be a useful player for us this season, it's more likely to be after 6 very succesful months out on loan. There's no guarantee he'll feature much at all.
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Ah right. Yeah, I agree then, but I'd say it's more likely a year or two down the line before he's of any real use...if he turns out to be good enough. Definitely don't see the problem with him going on loan again this year.
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Originally Posted by Striker10
I never said that. They were just examples. How do you know how good he is? How much have you seen of him? Rafael hadn't played football for a very long time. He was no where near match fit. This is a player who had to learn defending as soon as he was playing as defender type fullbacks aren't typical in brazil (no expert by any means) This is pre season and you will see a lot of mistakes. Eventually he will make his own name and this post will be long forgotten and then whos right and who's wrong? Technically he's good enough. Mentally he's shown the desire and a good attitude.
If I was talking about Gibson, I would be living in a dream world but you see Gibsons played a fair few games for United and scored a few goals. That alone means we just gotta wait and see. He's a good player, with a consistant team and games he's a better young player. Not perfect but a young scholes wasn't either.
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This thread infers it. I'd say it's debatable whether he's technically good enough. He just looks like a decent young player who it's worth holding out on to see how he develops. Throwing him into the first team simply isn't going to happen. Not unless we have an unpresedented injury crisis that ruins our entire season.
Rafael doesn't know how to defend. He's a liability against any team who attack us, and only plays in those games if literally everyone else is injured.
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Originally Posted by Amir
Who knows? When I looked at Beckham his age I didn't think he was anything special. When I looked at Scholes at his age he looked like a good fox in a box rather than a genious playmaker. Sometimes a player like that will blossom into real quality and show new abilities. Sometimes he won't.
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Look, we have this argument on here every single year at this time. Last season it was Macheda and Welbeck, before that Gibson and Frazier Campbell, before that Rossi, Eagles, David Jones, Bardsley, Pique, Possebon etc...unless they're the next Rooney/Ronaldo, they either go on loan, or play in the reserves. Cleverley's no different. He's not ready for the first team, regardless of how good he ends up being.