Arsenal vs. Manchester United

nemanja15 · 14th January 2012, 18:00

vs

Sunday 22nd January 2012
Barclays Premier League
The Emirates Stadium
KO: 1600 GMT

Solius · 14th January 2012, 18:07

Henry OG 89'

charlenefan · 14th January 2012, 18:09

Team should be...

GK: Lindegaard

RB: Rafael
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Evans
LB: Evra

CM: Carrick
CM: Jones
CM: Anderson

RW: Nani
CF: Rooney
LW: Park

Subs: De Gea, Smalling, Scholes, Giggs, Valencia, Hernandez, Welbeck

No fucking about playing 4-4-2 we know what works against them, Nani back on the right as he normally plays well against them whereas Valencia has been pretty rubbish in all his games against them despite his recent form. Anderson is possibly a question mark in there so maybe Giggs in for him.

20le_Solskjaer · 14th January 2012, 18:12

Team should be...

GK: Lindegaard

RB: Smalling
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Evans
LB: Evra

CM: Carrick
CM: Jones
CM: Giggs

RW: Nani
CF: Rooney
LW: Welbeck

Subs: De Gea, Rafael, Scholes, Anderson, Valencia, Park, Hernandez

Red_Jamie · 14th January 2012, 18:16

(Henry 44') 1-1 (Scholes 90')

SATA · 14th January 2012, 18:27

Fuck, didn't realise we are playing Arse this early

Lindegaard

Rafael--Rio--Evans--Evra

Carrick--Jones

Rooney

Valencia--Welbeck--Nani

Leroy The Red · 14th January 2012, 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlenefan

Team should be...

GK: Lindegaard

RB: Rafael
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Evans
LB: Evra

CM: Carrick
CM: Jones
CM: Anderson

RW: Nani
CF: Rooney
LW: Park

Subs: De Gea, Smalling, Scholes, Giggs, Valencia, Hernandez, Welbeck

No fucking about playing 4-4-2 we know what works against them, Nani back on the right as he normally plays well against them whereas Valencia has been pretty rubbish in all his games against them despite his recent form. Anderson is possibly a question mark in there so maybe Giggs in for him.

Seeing as how Arsenal will most likely have a makeshift left back and don't play with a left midfielder, dropping Valencia would be utterly spastic.
Valencia in there instead of Park but I agree with the rest. If Welbeck isn't injured it'll be difficult to drop him but you just know if we go 4-4-2 Arsenal will crap all over us in midfield.

Ash_G · 14th January 2012, 18:32

Arsenal are weak at fallback and both our wingers are playing very well right now. We should be looking to capitalise on this. On top of that Rooney and Welbeck are looking really good. If Rooney drops deep like he did against city then we won't have to worry about being outnumbered in the middle so much. Plus we'll probably look to play on the counter anyway. I dunno who to play out of Giggs and Jones though. I'd go for Giggs right now as he's usually very good in big games and I think Jones has been a bit shaky recently.

Man-United · 14th January 2012, 18:33

Did we play 4-4-2 there in may? Quite sure we did with Rooney/Hernandez and we were awful against an Arsenal team without Fabregas and an injury to Nasri after 45 min.

charlenefan · 14th January 2012, 18:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Man-United

Did we play 4-4-2 there in may? Quite sure we did with Rooney/Hernandez and we were awful against an Arsenal team without Fabregas and a injury to Nasri after 45 min.

Yep which is why 4-3-3 is a must next week

kps88 · 14th January 2012, 18:39

Don't think they'll have a left back for this one.

prateik · 14th January 2012, 18:44

4-5-1 is what we do against Arsenal. But this is a different Arsenal side to the ones in the past.

They have their first choice fullbacks injured, so the wingers will be important.

Sylar · 14th January 2012, 18:46

If Jones is fit, id start him and Carrick in midfield otherwise it will be Giggs.
Id still go 442 with Nani and Valencia on the wings and Rooney and Welbeck up front. Rooney drops back anyway so it can at times be 451 when they have the ball.

Id rather we play the same team as today but Jones instead of Scholes starting (if possible0

SATA · 14th January 2012, 18:47

The talk is that Sagna and Vermalaen will return next week, how fit they are nobody knows. Also they may get a new left-back in just in time for this, probably Wayne bridge?

kps88 · 14th January 2012, 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by SATA

Also they may get a new left-back in just in time for this, probably Wayne bridge?

We can only hope.

prateik · 14th January 2012, 18:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by SATA

The talk is that Sagna and Vermalaen will return next week, how fit they are nobody knows. Also they may get a new left-back in just in time for this, probably Wayne bridge?

Doubt they'll sign a LB.
Gibbs, Santos and Vermalen fitting in.
Not like Wenger to panic buy.

edit: remembered the end if the summer transfer window

cw1984 · 14th January 2012, 19:19

Hmmm I'm a little torn with this one.

Can't decide if we should revert back to 433 or set up in our usual 4231 using Rooney how we did against City in the cup.

ArmchairCritic · 14th January 2012, 19:21

4-3-3 if Welbeck isn't fit, counter attack will do the job.

Bear Attack · 14th January 2012, 19:22

--------------------De Gea-----------------------
Rafael-----Ferdinand-----Evans-----------Evra
Valencia-----Carrick-----Giggs-----------Nani--
----------------Rooney-------------------------
------------------------Welbeck----------------

Subs: Lindegaard, Jones, Smalling, Scholes, Park, Anderson, Hernandez

rednev · 14th January 2012, 19:27

1-2

Henry (45'), Scholes (45'), Welbeck (90').

tintedsepia · 14th January 2012, 19:34

I think this should be it:

Subs:
Lindegaard
Smalling
Jones
Park
Giggs
Berbatov
Hernandez

Ballache · 14th January 2012, 22:00

DDG
Rafael-Rio-Evans-Evra
--------Carrick-------
--Jones---------Ando--
Beast---------------Park
---------Rooney-------

Not feeling so good about this Match.

evra · 14th January 2012, 22:03

I'd play the same team we used today.

RedThaiDevils#7 · 14th January 2012, 22:04

I can't believe people would dare leave Nani out, he's best games usually are against Le'Arse...

He also defends really well too.

With Valencia in this type of form, Park can sit back...

Unless Danny's not fit, I'd play Rooney up front with Park in the hole for his movement and harassment, Carrick - Giggs would be nice in the middle.

Rafael showed great form today so I'd give him another run.

charlenefan · 14th January 2012, 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedThaiDevils#7

With Valencia in this type of form, Park can sit back...

My problem with Valencia is that he's been shit in every game against Arsenal since he's been at the club. True he's our in form winger at the moment but certain players are made for certain teams and when we go to Anfield I'd leave Nani on the bench and play Valencia

Ballache · 14th January 2012, 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedThaiDevils#7

I can't believe people would dare leave Nani out, he's best games usually are against Le'Arse...

He also defends really well too.

With Valencia in this type of form, Park can sit back...

Unless Danny's not fit, I'd play Rooney up front with Park in the hole for his movement and harassment, Carrick - Giggs would be nice in the middle.

Rafael showed great form today so I'd give him another run.

he hasn't been in the best form lately and needs a rest. Also SAF likes to play Park in big games. so i think we will try and contain them for a while and rely on counter attacks, then, depending on the scoreline, introduce the like of Nani later in the game.

ha_rooney · 14th January 2012, 23:52

----------De Gea-------
Rafael---Rio---Evans---Evra
---------Carrick---------
----Jones----Anderson---
Valencia---Rooney-----Nani

Lindegaard will probably start although I'd prefer De Gea. If Smalling's fit, I'd have him ahead of Evans

Leroy The Red · 15th January 2012, 02:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlenefan

My problem with Valencia is that he's been shit in every game against Arsenal since he's been at the club. True he's our in form winger at the moment but certain players are made for certain teams and when we go to Anfield I'd leave Nani on the bench and play Valencia

Has he? he didn't play against them at Old Trafford last season(and this) and I specifically remember him not starting at the Emirates last May.
And in the 1-3 when Nani scored THAT goal, Valencia didn't start so when have these shit Valencia performances against Arsenal been?

Neo_Mufc · 15th January 2012, 03:20

I'd go 4-5-1. Pack the midfield and play a counter attacking game because Arsenal aren't defensively sound.

Damien1990 · 15th January 2012, 04:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leroy The Red

Has he? he didn't play against them at Old Trafford last season(and this) and I specifically remember him not starting at the Emirates last May.
And in the 1-3 when Nani scored THAT goal, Valencia didn't start so when have these shit Valencia performances against Arsenal been?

Antonio Valencia v Arsenal

2009/2010
Manchester United 2-1 Arsenal August 2009 - PLAYED (started, subbed 63')
Arsenal 1-3 Manchester United January 2010 - PLAYED (came on 87')

2010/2011
Manchester United 1-0 Arsenal December 2010 - DIDN'T PLAY
Manchester United 2-0 Arsenal (FA Cup) March 2011 - PLAYED (came on 46')
Arsenal 1-0 Manchester United May 2011 - PLAYED (came on 56')

2011/2012
Manchester United 8-2 Arsenal August 2011 - DIDN'T PLAY

Both of the games he missed were down to injuries. The FA Cup game against Arsenal was his first match in his return from injury and he was on the bench. And the whole squad's performance against Arsenal in May wasn't that great.

This match looks like it'll be the first start for him against Arsenal since 2009. At the moment he's in a great spell of form and I see no reason why he can't continue that on Sunday. You can point to his history against them, but as I explained above, there's not a great deal you can judge him on.

Liam147 · 15th January 2012, 04:09

Massive game this. Let's assume Wigan lose to City on Monday (which isn't a sure thing), they go three points ahead again. They play Spurs then, and Spurs could get a result. If they beat them, we play Arsenal three points behind with a game in hand.

We need to hope that the absolute liability Mertesacker plays. It'd be great if Vermaelen's out too. It's not coincidence that they conceded 8 against us and three against Chelsea without him.

I'd go with
Lindegaard
Rafael-Smalling-Rio-Evra
Valencia-Park-Carrick-Nani
Rooney-Hernandez

Rooney can drop into midfield when defending, and link the midfield when attacking. Park will play his usual role, as will Carrick, with more thought on attack. If Mertesacker's playing I fully expect Hernandez to run rings around him. He has the turning circle of a tank. I'd rather Smalling than Jones as Jones has been off the boil a bit lately, and I think Smalling and Rio complement each other better, it's more of a Vidic/Rio type partnership.

gza the genius · 15th January 2012, 04:12

Same team as against Bolton, with the exception of starting Giggs for Scholes.

If Welbeck is hurt I'd probably go for Jones in midfield and Rooney up top alone.

Sean_RedDevil · 15th January 2012, 11:40

4-4-2 away from home against Arsenal isn't a great idea.

Right now i would play this team: Lindegaard - Rafael, Ferdinand, Evans, Evra - Valencia, Jones, Carrick, Giggs, Nani - Rooney

Bench: De Gea, Smalling, Anderson, Scholes, Park, Chicharito, Berbatov

Aboutreika18 · 15th January 2012, 11:43

Indeed, our best performances away to Arsenal have come with a lone striker dropping deep.

nemanja15 · 15th January 2012, 12:21

de Gea

Rafael
Ferdinand
Smalling
Evra

Valencia
Carrick
Jones
Anderson
Nani

Rooney

SUBS: Lindegaard, Evans, Park, Scholes, Giggs, Welbeck, Hernandez.

Would be equally happy or comfortable if Lindegaard, Evans or Park were to start though. In fact, after his form in these games in the past, it wouldn't surprise me at all in Park's case. Think the side above has excellent balance though.

Devil may care · 15th January 2012, 12:40

GK: Lindegaard

RB: Rafael
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Smalling
LB: Evra

CM: Carrick
CM: Giggs
CM: Anderson

RW: Valencia
CF: Rooney
LW: Welbeck

Reapersoul20 · 15th January 2012, 18:14

After the Swansea loss and wanting revenge for the 8-2, I fully expect them to beat us here.

Neo_Mufc · 15th January 2012, 18:18

A false 4-3-3 with essentially the wide forward players playing extremely deep?

MUFCgal · 15th January 2012, 18:32

-----------------Lindegaard-----------------
Rafael-----Smalling--------Ferdinand----Evra
----Anderson------Carrick--------Giggs------
Valencia-----------Rooney--------------Park

Subs: De Gea, Evans, Jones, Scholes, Nani, Chicharito, Berbatov.

I'm going for a scoreline of 1-3.

Ole's_toe_poke · 15th January 2012, 18:34

Valencia Vs Miguel should be amusing.

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14th January 2012, 18:07	#2 (permalink)
Solius Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fucker shits Posts: 40,548	Henry OG 89'

14th January 2012, 18:09	#3 (permalink)
charlenefan First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,343	Team should be... GK: Lindegaard RB: Rafael CB: Ferdinand CB: Evans LB: Evra CM: Carrick CM: Jones CM: Anderson RW: Nani CF: Rooney LW: Park Subs: De Gea, Smalling, Scholes, Giggs, Valencia, Hernandez, Welbeck No fucking about playing 4-4-2 we know what works against them, Nani back on the right as he normally plays well against them whereas Valencia has been pretty rubbish in all his games against them despite his recent form. Anderson is possibly a question mark in there so maybe Giggs in for him.

14th January 2012, 18:12	#4 (permalink)
20le_Solskjaer Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: London. Posts: 1,674	Team should be... GK: Lindegaard RB: Smalling CB: Ferdinand CB: Evans LB: Evra CM: Carrick CM: Jones CM: Giggs RW: Nani CF: Rooney LW: Welbeck Subs: De Gea, Rafael, Scholes, Anderson, Valencia, Park, Hernandez

14th January 2012, 18:16	#5 (permalink)
Red_Jamie Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,843	(Henry 44') 1-1 (Scholes 90')

14th January 2012, 18:27	#6 (permalink)
SATA Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: We all love United Posts: 4,621	Fuck, didn't realise we are playing Arse this early Lindegaard Rafael--Rio--Evans--Evra Carrick--Jones Rooney Valencia--Welbeck--Nani

14th January 2012, 18:32	#8 (permalink)
Ash_G Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,386	Arsenal are weak at fallback and both our wingers are playing very well right now. We should be looking to capitalise on this. On top of that Rooney and Welbeck are looking really good. If Rooney drops deep like he did against city then we won't have to worry about being outnumbered in the middle so much. Plus we'll probably look to play on the counter anyway. I dunno who to play out of Giggs and Jones though. I'd go for Giggs right now as he's usually very good in big games and I think Jones has been a bit shaky recently.

14th January 2012, 18:33	#9 (permalink)
Man-United First Team Sub Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,601	Did we play 4-4-2 there in may? Quite sure we did with Rooney/Hernandez and we were awful against an Arsenal team without Fabregas and an injury to Nasri after 45 min.

14th January 2012, 18:39	#11 (permalink)
kps88 First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Coventry (SM) Posts: 8,704	Don't think they'll have a left back for this one.

14th January 2012, 18:44	#12 (permalink)
prateik First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 19,016	4-5-1 is what we do against Arsenal. But this is a different Arsenal side to the ones in the past. They have their first choice fullbacks injured, so the wingers will be important.

14th January 2012, 18:46	#13 (permalink)
Sylar Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,818	If Jones is fit, id start him and Carrick in midfield otherwise it will be Giggs. Id still go 442 with Nani and Valencia on the wings and Rooney and Welbeck up front. Rooney drops back anyway so it can at times be 451 when they have the ball. Id rather we play the same team as today but Jones instead of Scholes starting (if possible0

14th January 2012, 18:47	#14 (permalink)
SATA Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: We all love United Posts: 4,621	The talk is that Sagna and Vermalaen will return next week, how fit they are nobody knows. Also they may get a new left-back in just in time for this, probably Wayne bridge?

14th January 2012, 19:19	#17 (permalink)
cw1984 Compulsive wanker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Guiding Cardiff to the promised land just so I can wipe that smug fucking grin of Cider's face. Posts: 23,972	Hmmm I'm a little torn with this one. Can't decide if we should revert back to 433 or set up in our usual 4231 using Rooney how we did against City in the cup.

14th January 2012, 19:21	#18 (permalink)
ArmchairCritic First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves. Posts: 6,389	4-3-3 if Welbeck isn't fit, counter attack will do the job.

14th January 2012, 19:22	#19 (permalink)
Bear Attack Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Daft Cunt. Posts: 3,247	--------------------De Gea----------------------- Rafael-----Ferdinand-----Evans-----------Evra Valencia-----Carrick-----Giggs-----------Nani-- ----------------Rooney------------------------- ------------------------Welbeck---------------- Subs: Lindegaard, Jones, Smalling, Scholes, Park, Anderson, Hernandez

14th January 2012, 19:27	#20 (permalink)
rednev Suarez of the year Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 18,827	1-2 Henry (45'), Scholes (45'), Welbeck (90').

14th January 2012, 19:34	#21 (permalink)
tintedsepia Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,238	I think this should be it: Subs: Lindegaard Smalling Jones Park Giggs Berbatov Hernandez

14th January 2012, 22:00	#22 (permalink)
Ballache First Team Sub Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lebanon/Stockholm/Manchester Posts: 9,221	DDG Rafael-Rio-Evans-Evra --------Carrick------- --Jones---------Ando-- Beast---------------Park ---------Rooney------- Not feeling so good about this Match.

14th January 2012, 22:03	#23 (permalink)
evra First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right. Posts: 8,037	I'd play the same team we used today.

14th January 2012, 22:04	#24 (permalink)
RedThaiDevils#7 First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Married with Manchester United, In love with Giggs, Is passionate about Scholes, and is rooting for Bebe' Posts: 5,548	I can't believe people would dare leave Nani out, he's best games usually are against Le'Arse... He also defends really well too. With Valencia in this type of form, Park can sit back... Unless Danny's not fit, I'd play Rooney up front with Park in the hole for his movement and harassment, Carrick - Giggs would be nice in the middle. Rafael showed great form today so I'd give him another run.

14th January 2012, 23:52	#27 (permalink)
ha_rooney First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10,106	----------De Gea------- Rafael---Rio---Evans---Evra ---------Carrick--------- ----Jones----Anderson--- Valencia---Rooney-----Nani Lindegaard will probably start although I'd prefer De Gea. If Smalling's fit, I'd have him ahead of Evans

15th January 2012, 03:20	#29 (permalink)
Neo_Mufc First Team Sub Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Matrix Posts: 6,481	I'd go 4-5-1. Pack the midfield and play a counter attacking game because Arsenal aren't defensively sound.

15th January 2012, 04:09	#31 (permalink)
Liam147 Yoko Ono Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: "It aint the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." Posts: 8,782	Massive game this. Let's assume Wigan lose to City on Monday (which isn't a sure thing), they go three points ahead again. They play Spurs then, and Spurs could get a result. If they beat them, we play Arsenal three points behind with a game in hand. We need to hope that the absolute liability Mertesacker plays. It'd be great if Vermaelen's out too. It's not coincidence that they conceded 8 against us and three against Chelsea without him. I'd go with Lindegaard Rafael-Smalling-Rio-Evra Valencia-Park-Carrick-Nani Rooney-Hernandez Rooney can drop into midfield when defending, and link the midfield when attacking. Park will play his usual role, as will Carrick, with more thought on attack. If Mertesacker's playing I fully expect Hernandez to run rings around him. He has the turning circle of a tank. I'd rather Smalling than Jones as Jones has been off the boil a bit lately, and I think Smalling and Rio complement each other better, it's more of a Vidic/Rio type partnership.

15th January 2012, 04:12	#32 (permalink)
gza the genius Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: supply and command Posts: 1,103	Same team as against Bolton, with the exception of starting Giggs for Scholes. If Welbeck is hurt I'd probably go for Jones in midfield and Rooney up top alone.

15th January 2012, 11:40	#33 (permalink)
Sean_RedDevil Twitter bot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Birmingham + Londinium Posts: 9,977	4-4-2 away from home against Arsenal isn't a great idea. Right now i would play this team: Lindegaard - Rafael, Ferdinand, Evans, Evra - Valencia, Jones, Carrick, Giggs, Nani - Rooney Bench: De Gea, Smalling, Anderson, Scholes, Park, Chicharito, Berbatov

15th January 2012, 11:43	#34 (permalink)
Aboutreika18 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: You contaminated my day,ROONEY is too blunt to be a striker. Posts: 3,044	Indeed, our best performances away to Arsenal have come with a lone striker dropping deep.

15th January 2012, 12:21	#35 (permalink)
nemanja15 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Amidst those squeaky bums. Posts: 2,979	de Gea Rafael Ferdinand Smalling Evra Valencia Carrick Jones Anderson Nani Rooney SUBS: Lindegaard, Evans, Park, Scholes, Giggs, Welbeck, Hernandez. Would be equally happy or comfortable if Lindegaard, Evans or Park were to start though. In fact, after his form in these games in the past, it wouldn't surprise me at all in Park's case. Think the side above has excellent balance though.

15th January 2012, 12:40	#36 (permalink)
Devil may care First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,327	GK: Lindegaard RB: Rafael CB: Ferdinand CB: Smalling LB: Evra CM: Carrick CM: Giggs CM: Anderson RW: Valencia CF: Rooney LW: Welbeck

15th January 2012, 18:14	#37 (permalink)
Reapersoul20 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 2,926	After the Swansea loss and wanting revenge for the 8-2, I fully expect them to beat us here.

15th January 2012, 18:18	#38 (permalink)
Neo_Mufc First Team Sub Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Matrix Posts: 6,481	A false 4-3-3 with essentially the wide forward players playing extremely deep?

15th January 2012, 18:32	#39 (permalink)
MUFCgal First Team Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Belfast,Northern Ireland Posts: 17,826	-----------------Lindegaard----------------- Rafael-----Smalling--------Ferdinand----Evra ----Anderson------Carrick--------Giggs------ Valencia-----------Rooney--------------Park Subs: De Gea, Evans, Jones, Scholes, Nani, Chicharito, Berbatov. I'm going for a scoreline of 1-3.