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Old 24th September 2005, 18:45   #1 (permalink)
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Manchester United vs SL Benfica

Manchester United - Benfica
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UEFA Champions League - Group D
Old Trafford, Manchester.
Tuesday, 27th September - 19:45 Kick Off.




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Old 24th September 2005, 19:02   #2 (permalink)
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And Rooney won't even be playing when we need him. I fear another loss.
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Old 24th September 2005, 19:50   #3 (permalink)
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I'd go with :-

VDS
Bardsley - Rio - Silvestre - Richardson

Ronaldo - Smith - Fletcher - Giggs

Scholes

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Old 24th September 2005, 19:55   #4 (permalink)
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vds
bardsley - rio - silvestre - richardson
ronaldo - smith - fletcher -giggs
anyone besides scholes
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Old 24th September 2005, 19:55   #5 (permalink)
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I'd play Scholes and give him a free role behind Ruud.

In the current 4-3-3 system he has no flexibility.
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Old 24th September 2005, 20:24   #6 (permalink)
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I'd play Scholes and give him a free role behind Ruud.

In the current 4-3-3 system he has no flexibility.
i`d forget scholes in the dressing room
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Old 24th September 2005, 20:27   #7 (permalink)
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nooooooooooo
you started the Man Utd v Man City thread. We're doomed!
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Old 24th September 2005, 22:58   #8 (permalink)
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---------------VDS-----------------

Bardsley - Rio - Silvestre - Richardson

Ronaldo - Smithy - Fletcher - Giggs

-----------Ruud - Rossi--------------
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Old 24th September 2005, 23:13   #9 (permalink)
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here's hoping we crash out of the CL, so in the event Chelsea shoot themselves in the foot at some stage this season we'll be there with a chance.
Fuckin' hate Fergie tinkering in league games ahead of these useless boring European cup games.
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Old 24th September 2005, 23:34   #10 (permalink)
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nooooooooooo
you started the Man Utd v Man City thread. We're doomed!
Agreed

But I would go for this:

Ruud
Scholes
Giggsy - Fletcher - Ronaldo (Park)
Smith
Richardson Mickey Rio O´Shea
van der Sar

Last edited by Giggsy PO; 24th September 2005 at 23:50. Reason: replacing Park with Ronaldo
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Old 25th September 2005, 00:03   #11 (permalink)
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O'Shea is likely to be out injured.

How about....

--------------------Ed-----------------------
----Bardsley-----Rio---Mikky-----Richardson----
-----Park-------Fletch---Smith-------Giggs----
----------------Ruud-----Ronaldo-------------

A more conventional 4-4-2 with Ronaldo playing in a free role just off Ruud. Ronnie could also interchange with Parka and Giggs. Scholes dropping to the bench to try Fletch and Smith in the centre of midfield together as they have the most energy out of all our options.

Bench would be down to bare bones now....

Howard
Pique
Miller
Scholes
Rossi

Fuck knows... a defender and an attack minded player from the reserves. Would normally be Spector or MacShane, Ritchie Jones played there the other week, he's about the most senior option, Johnny Evans had a good game the other week but has only played for the reserves just recently, even so, whoever this would be would be for an emergency anyway..... As for the attack minded player - Blake or Lee Martin.

It's time like these you wish the likes of Spector, MacShane, Dave Jones, Chris Eagles and co weren't out on loan!!!! Potentially there are 4 places on the bench up for grabs between the youngsters at the club and that's with 2 of them starting!!!!!
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Old 25th September 2005, 01:41   #12 (permalink)
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as if Fergie will play 442 and drop Scholes
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Old 25th September 2005, 01:45   #13 (permalink)
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He wont drop scholes, he cold play him upfront, its not a great change from what hes doing now but atleast he'll be closer to their area when the ball moves forward.
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Old 25th September 2005, 02:09   #14 (permalink)
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fergie will stick to what we've been playing

Van Der Sar
O'Shea/Bardsley - Ferdinand - Silvestre - Richardson
Fletcher - Smith - Scholes
Ronaldo - van Nistelrooy - Park/Giggs
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Old 25th September 2005, 03:14   #15 (permalink)
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---------------VDS-----------------

Bardsley - Rio - Silvestre - Richardson

Ronaldo - Smithy - Fletcher - Giggs

-----------Ruud - Rossi--------------

I like that a lot, give Rossi a chance, let's see how good he is, and if he can step it up in a big-game situation.
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Old 25th September 2005, 16:13   #16 (permalink)
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vds
oshea-rio-mik-richardson
ronaldo-smith-SCHOLES(c'mon you owe us one)-giggs
fletch
ruud

3-0 win
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Old 25th September 2005, 17:02   #17 (permalink)
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vds
oshea-rio-mik-richardson
ronaldo-smith-SCHOLES(c'mon you owe us one)-giggs
fletch
ruud

3-0 win
Swap Fletch and Scholes around and you could well be right.
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Old 25th September 2005, 17:03   #18 (permalink)
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nooooooooooo
you started the Man Utd v Man City thread. We're doomed!
Start another one then

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Old 25th September 2005, 17:04   #19 (permalink)
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Frankly, We all know what the formation will be from Fergie.

------------------------ van der Sar -------------------------
-- O'Shea------- Ferdinand ----- Silvestre ----- Richardson --
------------ Fletcher ----- Smith ------ Scholes --------------
Ronaldo ------------------------------------------------- Park
-------------------------- Ruud -----------------------------
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Old 25th September 2005, 18:07   #20 (permalink)
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Old 25th September 2005, 18:43   #21 (permalink)
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Old 25th September 2005, 21:57   #22 (permalink)
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ITV1 here in the UK.
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Old 26th September 2005, 03:30   #23 (permalink)
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We know fergie will go for a 4-3-3, so i'd like to see this:

------------------VDS----------------------
Bardsley------Rio-------Silvestre---Richardson
-----------Smith---Fletcher---Park----------
Ronaldo-----------------------------Giggs---
------------------Ruud----------------------

Park over scholes simply because scholes doesn't work in this formation.


However, if a miracle happens, and we see fergie play a 4-4-2, then I'd like:

---------------VDS--------------------
Bardsley----Rio---Silvestre--Richardson--
Ronaldo----Smith----Fletcher----Park---
-----------Scholes---------------------
-------------------Ruud----------------

Scholes would definitely work in this.
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Old 26th September 2005, 03:52   #24 (permalink)
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Old 26th September 2005, 10:14   #25 (permalink)
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Benfica striker Simao Sabrosa is confident they can add to Manchester United's problems by beating them in their UEFA Champions League clash.

United host Benfica at Old Trafford on Tuesday night with the Portuguese champions aiming to pile the pressure on Sir Alex Ferguson.

Ferguson is finding himself under scrutiny following Saturday's defeat to Blackburn and Liverpool target Simao believes they can benefit from the pressure United are under at the minute.

"The name of Manchester United always makes an impression but they have shown that there is nothing to be scared of by playing them," Simao told the Daily Star.

"The great advantage we have is the mistakes being made by their defenders.

"Manchester United are not at their best at the moment and it is a great opportunity for Benfica. Old Trafford holds no fears.

"Edwin van der Sar is a better goalkeeper than they had before but they make so many errors in defence it does not matter.

"They are now under pressure and we know that.

"United without [Roy] Keane, [Gabriel] Heinze, [Gary] Neville and [Wayne] Rooney is one that can be beaten."

Meanwhile, Benfica duo Geovanni and Giorgias Karagounis have been passed fit to make the trip to England to play United.

Both players have missed the last two league games through injury, but they have recovered in time to make Ronald Koeman's squad for the United clash.


I hope we can make him eat his words
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Old 26th September 2005, 13:20   #26 (permalink)
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Rooney Starts Two-Game Ban

Manchester United will be without Wayne Rooney as they look to ease the growing pressure on Sir Alex Ferguson with an Old Trafford Champions League win over Benfica on Tuesday.

Rooney serves the first game of a two-match ban picked up for his dismissal against Villarreal a fortnight ago, with Park Ji-Sung favoured to retain his place.

Ferguson, who was booed by his own fans in the wake of Saturday's home defeat to Blackburn, will be sweating on the fitness of defender John O'Shea, who limped out of the 2-1 loss.

Roy Keane (broken foot), Gary Neville (groin), Gabriel Heinze (knee) are are among the big names definitely missing.

Man United (from): Van der Sar, Howard, O'Shea, Bardsley, Ferdinand, Silvestre, Pique, Richardson, Smith, Fletcher, Scholes, Miller, Ronaldo, Giggs, Park, Van Nistelrooy, Rossi, Blake.
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Old 26th September 2005, 13:41   #27 (permalink)
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VDS
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Richardson
Rio
Tweety
Bardsley
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Fletch
Smythe
Scholes
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Ron
Ruud
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Old 26th September 2005, 14:12   #28 (permalink)
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--------------Van der Sar
Bardsley---Ferdinand---Tweety---Richardson
Ronaldo----Fletcher----Smith-------Giggs
-------Van Nistelrooy-----Rossi-----------
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No Euro joy for Roy

Manchester United prepare to face Benfica this week as Sir Alex Ferguson once again tries to add a second European Cup to his list of honours.

Success in Europe has become an obsession to the Old Trafford supremo and he has frequently highlighted how important Roy Keane is to the cause.

But while Keane was undoubtedly the driving force in the successful 1998-99 European Cup campaign, his effectiveness in recent seasons has diminished.

Indeed, the statistics show that in the past four seasons, United have won a higher percentage of games when the Irishman has been absent.

Worryingly for Ferguson, United have scored fewer goals and conceded more often when his captain has been in the starting line-up. In fact, they have not kept a clean sheet in Keane's last six appearances in the Champions League.

While it is unfair to blame Keane for declining powers in his veteran years, it appears that Ferguson has failed to come up with a true successor to the United number 16.

And without a true replacement, the club's chances of landing Europe's biggest prize once again appear remote.

Roy Keane in CL since 2001-02 With Without
Wins 12 14
Draws 6 5
Defeats 7 3
Win % 48% 64%
Loss % 28% 14%
Goals 45 47
Goals/game 1.8 2.14
Goals against 28 21
Goals against/game 1.12 0.95
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Old 26th September 2005, 19:11   #31 (permalink)
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Given our current situation, and my mood, I think we should go on a violent rampage.

It could be just what we need.
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Old 26th September 2005, 19:12   #32 (permalink)
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If Micky and O'Shea are out, and Brown as well, the back four could feature 2 unproven youngsters and 1 converted midfielder.

Bardsley--Rio--Pique--Richardson



I think the trio could prove doubters wrong in a one-off match, but not sure over a long haul of 3-5 matches or more. Then again, Bardsley may be the next Gary Neville and Pique looks to have a great future ahead of him. When is Fortune's anticipated return?

What about 3-4-3? Would be a risk against a quality opponent in Europe and with 2 unproven defenders.

-----------------VDS------------------
-----Bardsley-----Rio------Pique-------
Park----Fletcher----Smith----Richardson
------Ronaldo-------------Giggs--------
----------------Ruud-------------------
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Old 26th September 2005, 19:52   #34 (permalink)
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Quieroz stated 8 players out of tomorrow match so Silvestre must have been ruled out.
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Quieroz stated 8 players out of tomorrow match so Silvestre must have been ruled out.
Keane, Neville, Heinze, Fortune, Brown, Saha, Solskjaer, Rooney.
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Keane, Neville, Heinze, Fortune, Brown, Saha, Solskjaer, Rooney.
Solskjaer hasn't been fit in over a year, so I doubt he was included. It's probably Silvestre.
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Solskjaer hasn't been fit in over a year, so I doubt he was included. It's probably Silvestre.
Exactly what I thought.
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Old 26th September 2005, 22:05   #38 (permalink)
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Keane, Neville, Heinze, Fortune, Brown, Saha, Solskjaer, Rooney.

Fucking hell
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Old 26th September 2005, 22:28   #39 (permalink)
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---------VDS
bardley-rio-silvestre-rishardson
park-smith-fletcher-giggs
--------ronaldo---------
--------ruud----------
we will win 2-0
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---------VDS
bardley-rio-silvestre-rishardson
park-smith-fletcher-giggs
--------ronaldo---------
--------ruud----------
we will win 2-0

I do not know want to try speculating about our starting eleven,i'm out to church for prayers,we are going through another tough season while the other teams are having a party,what in God's name did we do wrong?
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