Wigan Athletic vs Manchester United

apotheosis · 11th April 2012, 21:51

Well it was a shocking performance, and we got the fuck all we truly deserved.

But before we slit our collective wrists, remember next up we have Villa at home and City are away to Norwich, so only a temporary setback tonight and a kick up the arse for those who thought it was 't already over.

Let's not go overboard with the doom, and just put it down to a one off shocker, until we have better reasons to think otherwise.

Wowi · 11th April 2012, 21:51

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Originally Posted by Brophs

I've said it before tonight, but did we really need to marginalise Berbatov in the way we have? Welbeck's been in poor form of late and Hernandez has been patchy all season. Another option couldn't have hurt.

This Welbeck was pretty decent when he came on to be honest, but yeah - would've been nice with another option up top in games like this. Not sure how much it would've helped though with the "midfield" we had today.

De Selby · 11th April 2012, 21:51

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Originally Posted by Siorac

The best player is always he who does not play.

It was such a collective shocker that I don't think Berbatov would have changed anything. He could have been on the bench though, instead of Park or Pogba.

Perhaps, but I think Berbatov's a superior player to both Welbeck and Hernandez.

He deserves a place on the bench at the very least. Shit, he's probably the freshest man in the squad.

Red Dreams · 11th April 2012, 21:52

run in an all. get the regulars starting threads please.

yes. we did miss Scholes.

Siorac · 11th April 2012, 21:54

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Originally Posted by De Selby

Perhaps, but I think Berbatov's a superior player to both Welbeck and Hernandez.

He deserves a place on the bench at the very least. Shit, he's probably the freshest man in the squad.

Like I said, we could and perhaps should have found him a place on the bench. Not just in this game but generally. Totally freezing him out seems unwise. But I still don't think he could have done anything about tonight.

A fresh, in-form Scholes could have. But we must rest him sometimes and hope the rest are up to the job. They weren't tonight, obviously.

Colin129 · 11th April 2012, 21:55

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Originally Posted by Aporkalypse

Shit performance.
Shit refreeing.

You forgot shit streams...

FlawlessThaw · 11th April 2012, 21:56

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Originally Posted by Siorac

Like I said, we could and perhaps should have found him a place on the bench. Not just in this game but generally. Totally freezing him out seems unwise. But I still don't think he could have done anything about tonight.

A fresh, in-form Scholes could have. But we must rest him sometimes and hope the rest are up to the job. They weren't tonight, obviously.

Yeah I didn't get this especially given we carried on playing the likes of Tevez and Van Nistelrooy even though both weren't in Fergie's plans for the year after. Both Welbeck and Hernandez are inexperienced and out of form, it then places a lot of pressure on Rooney and if he doesn't deliver as tonight we struggle.

Danny1982 · 11th April 2012, 22:01

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Originally Posted by kietotheworld

Even if the refs are against us a bit, we should be alright. Our record against Wigan is incredible. 14-0-0, scored 46 Conceded 4. If we can't be confident for a match like this then we can't be confident for any away match ever again.

Thank you.

Godfather · 11th April 2012, 22:02

This pressing thingy...we don't like it do we?

De Selby · 11th April 2012, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Siorac

Like I said, we could and perhaps should have found him a place on the bench. Not just in this game but generally. Totally freezing him out seems unwise. But I still don't think he could have done anything about tonight.

A fresh, in-form Scholes could have. But we must rest him sometimes and hope the rest are up to the job. They weren't tonight, obviously.

True. Although I can understand why Ferguson dropped Scholes out of the squad.

As for Berbatov being dropped completely: Whether he would have made a difference tonight can't be proved or disproved either way. But you're probably right- it was such an abject performance that the difference would probably have been negligible. However, it's inexplicable that a guy of that quality isn't even on the bench at least.

Lawman · 11th April 2012, 22:06

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Originally Posted by redevil2

We were more dangerous after Rooney wad subbed. Who would have predicted!

You'd expect us to go for it last 10-20 but when we did we had no threat in the box. Our top scorer had his jacket on and sitting on the bench.

#07 · 11th April 2012, 22:09

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Originally Posted by Lawman

You'd expect us to go for it last 10-20 but when we did we had no threat in the box. Our top scorer had his jacket on and sitting on the bench.

As did our second top scorer.

I don't understand the way Fergie has used Hernandez recently. We know Chico is a goal poacher so why does he insist on bringing him off at the times when a) we need a goal and b) when he introduces more creative players into the side. Hernandez isn't really going to hold the ball up for you on his own, he isn't going to thrive when we have a workmanlike or badly operating midfield behind him so why play him? Its confusing.

#07 · 11th April 2012, 22:10

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Originally Posted by Godfather

This pressing thingy...we don't like it do we?

Only players with the close control to deal with it in our squad are Cleverley and Scholes. That's scary.

RonaldoVII · 11th April 2012, 22:11

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Originally Posted by redevil2

We were more dangerous after Rooney wad subbed. Who would have predicted!

More to do with Nani coming on and giving us proper width.

Snow · 11th April 2012, 22:12

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Originally Posted by Snow

How will the refs respond to the weekend? Wigan got robbed, we were helped. Hopefully it won't affect the match but I'm a bit worried after the kind of performance they've just shown us.

First post in this thread. Fucking refs are so predictably shit. We're just surprisingly shit sometimes.

Heinzesight · 11th April 2012, 22:13

Looking forward to the media furore regarding the ridiculous non-corner for their goal...and the blatant penalty we should have got for handball by the Wigan defender in the box.

Oh, wait, hang on a sec...

Will Absolute · 11th April 2012, 22:17

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Originally Posted by simonhch

Worst performance of the season I would say. And at such a crucial time.

Giggs had the worst game I have seen him have in recent memory. Just awful all round.

Wrong tactics and wrong approach completely from the start.

Rooney was utter gash and deserved to be taken off. The way he let Maloney walk past him for the goal was a disgrace.

Rooney doesn't tackle anymore. He has to protect his feet.

Will Absolute · 11th April 2012, 22:26

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Originally Posted by Godfather

This pressing thingy...we don't like it do we?

Our achilles heel. Surprises me that more Prem teams don't do it against us.

Kraftwerker · 11th April 2012, 22:47

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Originally Posted by Will Absolute

Our achilles heel. Surprises me that more Prem teams don't do it against us.

The thing is, if we are on our game and passing well, we pull them all out of position when they press hard.

Then destroy them with someone like Valencia or Rooney finding acres of space where a man should have been covering rather than pressing.

It's ridiculous to claim teams don't press against us. Plenty try it. We just usually deal with it by being more clever with possession.

moyses · 11th April 2012, 22:50

Aye to think Wigan pulled off a tactical coup is insane. Teams have tried and we get behind them and they back off. One bit was missing tonight, our bit.

Still ill · 11th April 2012, 23:04

Wow. Just saw the highlights. They were our highlights?

moyses · 11th April 2012, 23:05

Some of it was cgi, we were worse.

ACEtheORIGINAL · 11th April 2012, 23:14

It was a shocking performance all round really. We played like it was all over and only really kicked in when they scored but by then there was no real momentoum. Everything just seem sluggish and lethargic.

ERICSAGOD · 12th April 2012, 22:04

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Originally Posted by ACEtheORIGINAL

It was a shocking performance all round really. We played like it was all over and only really kicked in when they scored but by then there was no real momentoum. Everything just seem sluggish and lethargic.

Exactly right, but we haven't played ''really well'' since the start of the season when we scoring for fun, and playing some great football.

We still lack a real leader in the team.

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11th April 2012, 21:51	#1521 (permalink)
apotheosis O'Fortuna Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Praying for Carrick's ongoing fitness Posts: 4,375	Well it was a shocking performance, and we got the fuck all we truly deserved. But before we slit our collective wrists, remember next up we have Villa at home and City are away to Norwich, so only a temporary setback tonight and a kick up the arse for those who thought it was 't already over. Let's not go overboard with the doom, and just put it down to a one off shocker, until we have better reasons to think otherwise.

11th April 2012, 21:52	#1524 (permalink)
Red Dreams First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: 20 I 13 Posts: 28,220	run in an all. get the regulars starting threads please. yes. we did miss Scholes.

11th April 2012, 22:02	#1529 (permalink)
Godfather First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Austria Posts: 9,966	This pressing thingy...we don't like it do we?

11th April 2012, 22:13	#1536 (permalink)
Heinzesight Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 758	Looking forward to the media furore regarding the ridiculous non-corner for their goal...and the blatant penalty we should have got for handball by the Wigan defender in the box. Oh, wait, hang on a sec...

11th April 2012, 22:50	#1540 (permalink)
moyses Beardless Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: I can gather all the news I need on the weather report. Posts: 18,276	Aye to think Wigan pulled off a tactical coup is insane. Teams have tried and we get behind them and they back off. One bit was missing tonight, our bit.

11th April 2012, 23:04	#1541 (permalink)
Still ill Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Ireland Posts: 3,008	Wow. Just saw the highlights. They were our highlights?

11th April 2012, 23:05	#1542 (permalink)
moyses Beardless Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: I can gather all the news I need on the weather report. Posts: 18,276	Some of it was cgi, we were worse.

11th April 2012, 23:14	#1543 (permalink)
ACEtheORIGINAL Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,728	It was a shocking performance all round really. We played like it was all over and only really kicked in when they scored but by then there was no real momentoum. Everything just seem sluggish and lethargic.