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Amir released from prison
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The ICC were absolutely correct in making the 5 year bans on all 3 players involved in the spot fixing scam and they should stay in place for Butt and Amir. But as even the judge noted in the court case, Asif was under considerable pressure to conform to an already strong culture of 'betting fixing' within the Pakistan team at the time and was too weak to resist. It does nobody any good if this brilliant cricketer is made to serve out a 5 year ban, only the game, fans and team Pakistan lose out. If the ICC could find a way for leniency, they should make it clear that this is exceptional case and certainly not to be interpreted as any kind of policy .... the strong deterrent to keep bet fixing in cricket has to remain .... but I'd just love to see this kid develop into the best he can, and given the early jolt and harsh learning he has undergone, I've no doubt, he'd double his efforts to fulfil his talents. I'd hope captains of other test nation federations and captains would publicly support that Asif be shown leniency from the ICC. |
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I disagree completely. Any leniency based on talent would imply...one rule for the superstars and another for the hacks.
The criminal justice system already showed him sympathy, hence the smaller jail sentence, the ICC should not make an exception. Instead he should be held up as an example to other youngsters.... All the talent in the world won't matter one iota if you fail to follow the rules! |
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He played in a domestic 50 over match in which a team got bowled out for 120 and his team chased it in 6 overs with Salman Butt hitting at a ridiculous strike. The fixing probably starts at the domestic level, so doubt Aamir's new to it.
Everyone's talking about him being such a poor, innocent boy just because he bowls well. If he'd been a shite cricketer, no would've cared. |
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I think Amir's ban is unfair when you take into consideration his age and the fact he has no previous (at least not that I'm aware of). To have Amir banned for the same amount of time as Butt & Asif was a joke decision by the ICC, the latter two should have got life bans. I think a 2-3 year ban for Amir would suffice.
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-Asif was what, 29 at the time of the ban, so 34 when he is eligible again... -Butt obviously has time on his side, but even he won't be taken back into the fold. -Amir will be 23-24, still plenty of time for him to have another 7-8 years of international cricket. |
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At a time when 20:20 is ruining cricket as batsmen morph into primeval Fred Flintstone clubbers, the game is crying out for a beautiful swing bowler. The game is starved of top quality pace bowlers right now and no matter what he did in the past (Im sure he has been chastened enough by prison and the shame and ignominy of being caught spot fixing), nothing is gained by him in particular serving a full 5 year ban. Yes, you are technically correct but in this particular case its not about whats right or wrong or the tail wagging the dog, the boy is a genuinely precocious talent and the games loses out with his presence. |
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I hope he wins the appeal. How did the Criminal justice system show him sympathy? |
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Other banned cricketers
Jadeja's cricketing achievements were later overshadowed by a 5 year ban for match-fixing. The ban was later quashed by the Delhi High Court on 27 January 2003, making Jadeja eligible to play domestic and international cricket. Jadeja had approached the Delhi High Court on 2 February 2001, challenging the BCCI order imposing the five-year ban on the basis of the K. Madhavan Committee recommendations Azhuraddin Then he admitted to fixing three ODI matches,[6] and this led the BCCI to ban him from the game of cricket for life in 2000. The BCCI lifted the ban on Azharuddin in 2006 and even honoured him along with other Indian Test captains in a ceremony in Mumbai during the 2006 ICC Champions Trophy. The ICC, however, claimed that it alone had the right to revoke the ban despite playing no role in handing out the original ban. |
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See, you cant really accept that he was forced because of him being new and young and then proceed to hand him a similar ban as the others. doesnt make sense.
He's a young kid and the ruling admitted that he was forced into doing it. the actual culprits have been punished. After the whole fiasco, an example has already been set imo. Let the boy play. and it has nothing to do with his bowling ability for me. |
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'Amir was coerced' - this was the narrative his representatives tried to portray, that doesn't mean that was the line the courts accepted completely. The Judge agreed, he was an uneducated simpleton, and that there was pressure on him to get in line, but...
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The ban acts as a deterrence. He plead guilty of fixing and hence needs to be punished. Doesn't matter if he is young, wonderful bowler or cricket loses out.
Cricket needs more sentences like this to rid of the betting infestation that exists in the subcontinent. If you'd found that Anderson purposely gave away a corner twice to get a pay off, what'd you suggest? Let off due to his talent? Or punished adequately? |
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Disagree with scrapping the ban, do feel it should be reduced, 2 years should do it for Amir, who was nowhere near as involved as Butt and Asif. This isn't based on age or talent, more to do with the fact he always seemed to have been harshly treated, still can't believe how lenient they were with Butt tbh.
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Only the ICC fully understand the underworld influence that pushes youngsters into this path. I've got a feeling Amir will be offered leniency on this basis, maybe a reduced ban and the remaining term suspended. Asif and Butt probably won't be able to offer the same defence therefore are the real villains that should be made an example of.
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