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Old 7th February 2012, 10:11   #41 (permalink)
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I don't really follow cycling much nor do I understand the science behind doping much but if what I read is true; that Armstrong's urine sample from his winning days have been tested recently to check for drugs and have come out clean, how can some of you guys believe that he still has been taking illegal substances?
Have they? That's the first I hear about that.
As far as I know the only time they did test old urine samples (from 1999), they did test positive, but the case was dropped because the urine was claimed to have been stored incorrectly.

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Of course. He was arguably in one of cycling's worst periods of doping. You don't ride clean and still come out on top like he did.

It doesn't detract from what he did of course. Doping in cycling has been big since the 40's apparently. It's just the testing measures have got better and better.
That's true, but the effect you had from doping back then (until the 80's) was marginal compared to the last 20 years. EPO really is/was a wonder product for cyclists. It had an enormous effect.

Therefor, there is also no doubt in my mind he was doped. There is no way you would be so dominant in cycling's biggest doping-era without being doped yourself. There are too many other factors as well pointing to that. Most of his first lieutenants and team mates who were excellent when in Armstrong's service suddenly turned to crap after they left US Postal and/or were caught for doping in the years that followed.
And then there's also the ties to doping doctor Ferrari.

Armstrong has not been cleared for doping by the way. The US Attorny has just decided to drop the criminal law suit. But the American anti-doping agency has already said this doesn't mean they will drop their case against him.
I think this criminal case was more about the possible drug trafficking and organised distribution in the team, rather than Armstrong taking them.
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Old 9th February 2012, 09:58   #42 (permalink)
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From a French TV satirical show - you don't need to speak French to understand it. Casillas, Gasol "signing" a message of support to Contador.

Nadal firma con una jeringuilla en los guiñoles - AS.com

From the same show a day or so earlier

T. Nadal: 'Es humor, nos da igual; Rafa no está afectado' - TENIS SOBRE EL VÍDEO DE CANAL + - AS.com

"The Spanish don't win by accident."
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