Dwain Chambers

Alex · 16th July 2008, 05:32

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Originally Posted by Spoonov

For me, he's the best sprinter of all time(Ben). And didn't Christie test positive and all? It's rife in athletics, to deny this, is very naive. Flo Jo was another. She was clearly on the juice. . .and her untimely death was due to multiple organ failure. Something associated with steroids. It's not just athetics. Boxing's just as bad. Evander Holyfield was on steriods.

Sorry but if you are gonna go that route to class him in front of Jesse Owens is a pure disgrace. The fact that he did in front of the 3rd Reich is all the better. That said the best track runner I have ever seen in my lifetime is Michael Johnson his 19.32 in Atlanta while wearing golden shoes is the best track performance possibly ever, the fact that no man has ran better than 19.62 since solidifies it, his running style was timeless as was Owens'

Spoonatov · 16th July 2008, 10:49

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Originally Posted by Alex

Sorry but if you are gonna go that route to class him in front of Jesse Owens is a pure disgrace. '

Jesse Owens may possibly be the greatest athlete, ever. By saying Ben's the best sprinter of all time, I was implying that he could beat anyone, in any era. . .and probably would've smashed the world record even further. He was leagues ahead of the other sprinters.

Spoonatov · 16th July 2008, 10:56

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Originally Posted by Alex

Sorry but if you are gonna go that route to class him in front of Jesse Owens is a pure disgrace. The fact that he did in front of the 3rd Reich is all the better. That said the best track runner I have ever seen in my lifetime is Michael Johnson his 19.32 in Atlanta while wearing golden shoes is the best track performance possibly ever, the fact that no man has ran better than 19.62 since solidifies it, his running style was timeless as was Owens'

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Originally Posted by Brad

btw Spoons, Christies failed test came at a meet where he came out of retirement to perform. He tested positive for nandralone, which was later proved to be present in legitimate supplements at the time. Although Christie was supposedly 100 times over the natural limit or something, so make of that what you will

I've been reading up on Nandrolone. . .and it's probably the least potent of the anabolic steroids. And yes, it can occur, naturally, but it's very rare. And it's more likely that the likes of Linford Christie were purposely taking it. Pakistani bowler Mohammed Asif has just been caught for nandrolone. . . I guess, all sportsman could make the same excuses as the likes of Christie, Rudeski, Ottey et al. But we shouldn't be naive enough to believe them. Plus, in Linford's case, most athletes use steds during injury or in the off season. So, I'm not surprised he was found to be positive. (well 100 times over the natural limit, says it all)

As for Lewis. He's always been a joke.

horselesspaul · 16th July 2008, 11:34

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Originally Posted by Crustanoid

I like his determination

It's the drugs.

peterstorey · 16th July 2008, 12:13

The whole drug thing has pretty much killed off any interest in athletics for me (and I think a lot of others). Who cares who's got the best chemist?

Hectic · 16th July 2008, 14:56

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Originally Posted by Nearco

No i fucking don`t. I mean cheating as in feigning injury and diving all over the place. What`s the difference.

Yes, they are one and the same.

Gio · 16th July 2008, 18:39

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Originally Posted by Spoonov

I've been reading up on Nandrolone. . .and it's probably the least potent of the anabolic steroids. And yes, it can occur, naturally, but it's very rare. And it's more likely that the likes of Linford Christie were purposely taking it. Pakistani bowler Mohammed Asif has just been caught for nandrolone. . . I guess, all sportsman could make the same excuses as the likes of Christie, Rudeski, Ottey et al. But we shouldn't be naive enough to believe them. Plus, in Linford's case, most athletes use steds during injury or in the off season. So, I'm not surprised he was found to be positive. (well 100 times over the natural limit, says it all)

As for Lewis. He's always been a joke.

A few years ago I read a study on various legal supplements (e.g mass-gain products, etc) and about 30% of them apparently resulted in a positive nandralone test. It was about the time when players like Davids and Stam were testing positive for it. Not that I think Christie was particularly clean: he came through at a time when British drug testing was seriously corrupt.

ERICSAGOD · 16th July 2008, 19:10

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Originally Posted by Spoonov

Jesse Owens may possibly be the greatest athlete, ever. By saying Ben's the best sprinter of all time, I was implying that he could beat anyone, in any era. . .and probably would've smashed the world record even further. He was leagues ahead of the other sprinters.

Surely this was because he was a cheating, drug taking shit bag.

ERICSAGOD · 16th July 2008, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Spoonov

I've been reading up on Nandrolone. . .and it's probably the least potent of the anabolic steroids. And yes, it can occur, naturally, but it's very rare. And it's more likely that the likes of Linford Christie were purposely taking it. Pakistani bowler Mohammed Asif has just been caught for nandrolone. . . I guess, all sportsman could make the same excuses as the likes of Christie, Rudeski, Ottey et al. But we shouldn't be naive enough to believe them. Plus, in Linford's case, most athletes use steds during injury or in the off season. So, I'm not surprised he was found to be positive. (well 100 times over the natural limit, says it all)

As for Lewis. He's always been a joke.

Nine Olympic Gold Medals . . . some joke.

Spoonatov · 16th July 2008, 20:55

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Originally Posted by ERICSAGOD

Nine Olympic Gold Medals . . . some joke.

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Originally Posted by ERICSAGOD

Surely this was because he was a cheating, drug taking shit bag.

Carl Lewis tested positive THREE times. Read up mate, Brad posted some quotes by Lewis and how he justified the use. But that's okay, as long as others don't cheat. Ben = Cheat. Lewis = Hero. Okay.

Spoonatov · 16th July 2008, 20:58

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Originally Posted by Gio

A few years ago I read a study on various legal supplements (e.g mass-gain products, etc) and about 30% of them apparently resulted in a positive nandralone test. It was about the time when players like Davids and Stam were testing positive for it. Not that I think Christie was particularly clean: he came through at a time when British drug testing was seriously corrupt.

I never knew that. Could it have been creatine that was causing the positive tests?

ERICSAGOD · 16th July 2008, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Spoonov

Carl Lewis tested positive THREE times. Read up mate, Brad posted some quotes by Lewis and how he justified the use. But that's okay, as long as others don't cheat. Ben = Cheat. Lewis = Hero. Okay.

Sorry mate, must have missed that one.

In that case Ben = Cheating shitbag and Lewis = Cheating shitbag.

Spoonatov · 16th July 2008, 21:04

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Originally Posted by ERICSAGOD

Sorry mate, must have missed that one.

In that case Ben = Cheating shitbag and Lewis = Cheating shitbag.

seems fair to me.

Gio · 16th July 2008, 23:30

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Originally Posted by Spoonov

I never knew that. Could it have been creatine that was causing the positive tests?

Possibly, the study was on over-the-counter nutritional supplements.

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Originally Posted by ERICSAGOD

In that case Ben = Cheating shitbag and Lewis = Cheating shitbag.

6 of the 8 finalists in 1988 have tested positive during their careers. Runners basically had to take drugs to make it a level playing field, which makes the margin of Ben Johnson's victory all the more impressive.

Drifter · 18th July 2008, 11:34

He as failed in bid.

KeyserSoze · 18th July 2008, 11:47

Dwain Chambers has failed in his high Court appeal to allow him to run in the Olympics in Beijing.

British 100m champion Chambers had gone to the High Court to seek an injunction against the British Olympic Association's bylaw which prevented him from being selected for the Olympics after testing positive for drugs.

Although the case was not due to be held until next year Chambers wanted the injunction in order for him to be allowed to run in the Olympics next month before contesting the full case next year.

However, a High Court judge has ruled out that possibility and Chambers will now miss out on his dream of returning to the Olympic Games.

Chambers had won the National Championships and easily attained the Olympic qualifying standard and woud have represented Britain's best chance of a 100m medal in Beijing.

Chambers has served out a two-year ban after testing positive for a performance-enhancing steroid, but a special BOA bylaw says athletes cannot represent Team GB at the Olympics after a failed drugs test.

Chambers continues to argue that the bylaw should not stand as he is allowed to race by the IAAF and can take part in every other event such as the World Championships.

Several other athletes who have failed drugs test and served out bans will be taking part in Beijing but Chambers will not be one of them.

Ixion · 18th July 2008, 12:02

Dissapointed for him, he qualified in first and proved hes the best we have, he should be there.

jgraham2704 · 18th July 2008, 12:11

I do feel bad for the guy

Everyone knows he done wrong, and hs paid the price for that but he seems to have learnt his lesson and has worked hard to get back to the level he's at.

From a purely selfish point of view my favourite event at the olympics won't be as good now with us not having a decent sprinter.

Brad · 18th July 2008, 12:48

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Originally Posted by jgraham2704

I do feel bad for the guy

Everyone knows he done wrong, and hs paid the price for that but he seems to have learnt his lesson and has worked hard to get back to the level he's at.

From a purely selfish point of view my favourite event at the olympics won't be as good now with us not having a decent sprinter.

He used to be my favourite sprinter, so its not easy to see what he's going through. I thought he'd win this injunction. But I'm glad he didn't. He's a cracking example of what there is to lose if you're discovered as a drug cheat

Apparently in future the length of the ban for a drug cheat will rise from 2 to 4 years which is good news. That's getting towards career ending. Which is only right, because an athlete will show life long benefits from taking drugs

bazalini · 18th July 2008, 13:32

No - I am happy that he failed.

Once a cheat always a cheat

jgraham2704 · 18th July 2008, 13:36

My dissapoinment i guess is from a purely selfish point of view

I'm so anti drugs in sport its untrue, its one of the things that really bugs me. However as in everything in life a second chance should be available providing there is evidence that the person in question has worked hard and shown that they have changed.

I do agree with Brad though - this can only act as a massive warning to those maybe considering using performance enhancing drugs.

wolfshead · 18th July 2008, 14:15

he got caught

he deserved a second chance

Redlambs · 18th July 2008, 15:16

Good.

He's a cheat and a liar and I'd rather we send in people who work hard than a steroid freak who runs a little quicker.

Spoonatov · 18th July 2008, 15:46

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Originally Posted by Gio

Possibly, the study was on over-the-counter nutritional supplements.

6 of the 8 finalists in 1988 have tested positive during their careers. Runners basically had to take drugs to make it a level playing field, which makes the margin of Ben Johnson's victory all the more impressive.

Denis Mitchell was the chairman of the anti doping committee when he got caught(I think). It's funny, that.

Brad · 13th September 2008, 17:04

That Lewis has got some cheek, I'll give him that! What possible right does he have to comment on this when he's failed three drug tests in his career, while Bolt is to our knowledge an entirely clean athlete...

Lewis cautious over Bolt success

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/7613895.stm

Sprint legend Carl Lewis has questioned Usain Bolt's stunning successes at the Beijing Olympics because Jamaica does not enforce random drug tests.

Bolt won three golds in China, setting world records in the 100m and 200m.

But American Lewis said: "When people ask me about Bolt I say he could be the greatest athlete of all time.

"But to run 10.03 seconds one year and 9.69 the next, if you don't question that in a sport with the reputation it has right now, you're a fool. Period."

Jamaican Bolt, 22, became the first man to win the 100m, 200m and 4x100m at a single Olympics since Lewis himself achieved the feat at the 1984 Los Angeles Games.

He is also the first man to set world records in all three events at a single Games.

But Lewis, who himself failed three drugs tests in 1988 only to be cleared of any intentional wrongdoing, believes it necessary to remain cautious about Bolt's incredible performances.

The 47-year-old told Sports Illustrated: "I'm proud of America right now because we have the best random and most comprehensive drug-testing programme.

"Countries like Jamaica do not have a random programme, so they can go months without being tested.

"No-one is accusing Bolt, but don't live by a different rule and expect the same kind of respect. How dare anybody feel that there shouldn't be scrutiny, especially in our sport?"

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peterstorey Winner of the 'Most pompous arrogant pretentious Gooner' title 2004 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Happy those, who can remain at Highbury! Posts: 8,623	The whole drug thing has pretty much killed off any interest in athletics for me (and I think a lot of others). Who cares who's got the best chemist?

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Drifter First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,128	He as failed in bid.

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KeyserSoze First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Way I Hear It Soze's Some Kind Of Butcher Posts: 6,971	Dwain Chambers has failed in his high Court appeal to allow him to run in the Olympics in Beijing. British 100m champion Chambers had gone to the High Court to seek an injunction against the British Olympic Association's bylaw which prevented him from being selected for the Olympics after testing positive for drugs. Although the case was not due to be held until next year Chambers wanted the injunction in order for him to be allowed to run in the Olympics next month before contesting the full case next year. However, a High Court judge has ruled out that possibility and Chambers will now miss out on his dream of returning to the Olympic Games. Chambers had won the National Championships and easily attained the Olympic qualifying standard and woud have represented Britain's best chance of a 100m medal in Beijing. Chambers has served out a two-year ban after testing positive for a performance-enhancing steroid, but a special BOA bylaw says athletes cannot represent Team GB at the Olympics after a failed drugs test. Chambers continues to argue that the bylaw should not stand as he is allowed to race by the IAAF and can take part in every other event such as the World Championships. Several other athletes who have failed drugs test and served out bans will be taking part in Beijing but Chambers will not be one of them.

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Ixion Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greater Manchester Posts: 3,302	Dissapointed for him, he qualified in first and proved hes the best we have, he should be there.

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jgraham2704 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Usually in work looking busy, when actually patrolling the caf looking for threads to invade. Posts: 2,885	I do feel bad for the guy Everyone knows he done wrong, and hs paid the price for that but he seems to have learnt his lesson and has worked hard to get back to the level he's at. From a purely selfish point of view my favourite event at the olympics won't be as good now with us not having a decent sprinter.

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bazalini Join Date: May 2000 Location: President of The Bring Back "Charlie Devils, Neil Thomson & Clayton Blackmore" Fan Clubs Posts: 15,545	No - I am happy that he failed. Once a cheat always a cheat

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jgraham2704 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Usually in work looking busy, when actually patrolling the caf looking for threads to invade. Posts: 2,885	My dissapoinment i guess is from a purely selfish point of view I'm so anti drugs in sport its untrue, its one of the things that really bugs me. However as in everything in life a second chance should be available providing there is evidence that the person in question has worked hard and shown that they have changed. I do agree with Brad though - this can only act as a massive warning to those maybe considering using performance enhancing drugs.

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wolfshead AKA Dickhead Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: We Are Utd & We Rule Posts: 1,620	he got caught he deserved a second chance

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Redlambs First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Be careful what you reply, unless you want to be drawn with Carragher's cock up your arse... Posts: 7,457	Good. He's a cheat and a liar and I'd rather we send in people who work hard than a steroid freak who runs a little quicker.

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Brad The Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Stockholm Posts: 19,025	That Lewis has got some cheek, I'll give him that! What possible right does he have to comment on this when he's failed three drug tests in his career, while Bolt is to our knowledge an entirely clean athlete... Lewis cautious over Bolt success http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/7613895.stm Sprint legend Carl Lewis has questioned Usain Bolt's stunning successes at the Beijing Olympics because Jamaica does not enforce random drug tests. Bolt won three golds in China, setting world records in the 100m and 200m. But American Lewis said: "When people ask me about Bolt I say he could be the greatest athlete of all time. "But to run 10.03 seconds one year and 9.69 the next, if you don't question that in a sport with the reputation it has right now, you're a fool. Period." Jamaican Bolt, 22, became the first man to win the 100m, 200m and 4x100m at a single Olympics since Lewis himself achieved the feat at the 1984 Los Angeles Games. He is also the first man to set world records in all three events at a single Games. But Lewis, who himself failed three drugs tests in 1988 only to be cleared of any intentional wrongdoing, believes it necessary to remain cautious about Bolt's incredible performances. The 47-year-old told Sports Illustrated: "I'm proud of America right now because we have the best random and most comprehensive drug-testing programme. "Countries like Jamaica do not have a random programme, so they can go months without being tested. "No-one is accusing Bolt, but don't live by a different rule and expect the same kind of respect. How dare anybody feel that there shouldn't be scrutiny, especially in our sport?"