ENG v RSA 2nd Test...

GiggsysGirl · 18th July 2008, 13:38

I know there's already a thread but I'm hoping my old thread starting magic powers will kick in again and get us out of this hole Rams' thread has dug us into.

GiggsysGirl · 18th July 2008, 15:37

Nevermind

GiggsysGirl · 19th July 2008, 09:10

ARGH! Cricket is supposed to provide me with a respite from seething at my television but that's what I ended up doing yet again yesterday.

Umpires aren't allowed to use replays to see if a ball has brushed bat and not trouser leg (something it can clear up in an instant) but they are allowed to use it to see if a ball has been grounded (something it only confuses more)? Madness!

And bloody Smith and Nel telling Amla to go back after he's been given out officially? Who put them in charge?

ARGH!

topper · 19th July 2008, 10:32

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Originally Posted by GiggsysGirl

ARGH! Cricket is supposed to provide me with a respite from seething at my television but that's what I ended up doing yet again yesterday.

Umpires aren't allowed to use replays to see if a ball has brushed bat and not trouser leg (something it can clear up in an instant) but they are allowed to use it to see if a ball has been grounded (something it only confuses more)? Madness!

And bloody Smith and Nel telling Amla to go back after he's been given out officially? Who put them in charge?

ARGH!

peace love and chill out gg - its only a test match

GiggsysGirl · 19th July 2008, 10:36

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peace love and chill out gg - its only a test match

I can't.

My world is caving in around my ears.

Spoonatov · 19th July 2008, 11:43

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Originally Posted by GiggsysGirl

ARGH! Cricket is supposed to provide me with a respite from seething at my television but that's what I ended up doing yet again yesterday.

Umpires aren't allowed to use replays to see if a ball has brushed bat and not trouser leg (something it can clear up in an instant) but they are allowed to use it to see if a ball has been grounded (something it only confuses more)? Madness!

And bloody Smith and Nel telling Amla to go back after he's been given out officially? Who put them in charge?

ARGH!

A precedent was set when Pietersen was sent back against India at Lords(I think it was Lords). So we can't cry foul, that'd be uber hypocritically.

Brad · 19th July 2008, 13:37

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A precedent was set when Pietersen was sent back against India at Lords(I think it was Lords). So we can't cry foul, that'd be uber hypocritically.

The difference there being it was one of the umpires who had doubt and called to refer it. This was referred because of 3rd party interference

Either way, just because England may have benefitted before, doesn't make it right. They need to clear this up, as GG says, why not refer a decision like Cooks where he clearly didn't touch the ball? When an umpire gives a player out, that should be the end of it

Looking at the Vaughan catch, one angle appears to show the ball bouncing, another seems to show his fingers wrapped underneath the ball. The camera technology isn't good enough to decide these matters yet

The real disgrace of yesterday anyway was De Villiers. He got a lovely reception as he walked out to bat today. Sometimes with these things you have your eyes closed, or can genuinely think you've caught the ball when you haven't. The ball bloody fell out of one hand and was caught (barely) with the other. We're meant to take peoples word for it regarding catches, how can you when there are cheats like this operating in the game

Spoonatov · 19th July 2008, 13:43

Vaughan's catch looked uncaught from every angle I've seen. It was clearly not out. And to be fair, Bell also had one of those 'I'm not sure it was out' moments. So, I reckon we're being very hypocritical here. Both sides have been as bad as each other.

Brad · 19th July 2008, 13:51

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Vaughan's catch looked uncaught from every angle I've seen. It was clearly not out. And to be fair, Bell also had one of those 'I'm not sure it was out' moments. So, I reckon we're being very hypocritical here. Both sides have been as bad as each other.

Well it wasn't 'clearly' out, one of the angles you evidently haven't seen shows his fingers underneath the ball

Spoonatov · 19th July 2008, 13:59

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Well it wasn't 'clearly' out, one of the angles you evidently haven't seen shows his fingers underneath the ball

When they clearly aren't underneath the ball. And as for sportsmanship and cheating. . .Collingwood sure played his part, in that one-dayer against New Zealand. I hate it. . . it's cricket for fuck's sake. As I said, for everything they've done, England have been just as guilty. I'd ban players for cheating and unsportsmanlike conduct(for a few matches).

GiggsysGirl · 19th July 2008, 16:58

I read today that DeVilliers wasn't sure about his catch and suggested they look at it but his teammates surrounded him to shut him up basically. Don't know if that's true.

And as for Vaughan's catch, there's no way he could have known for sure himself since his head was up and his eyes were probably closed but from the way he reacted he definitely felt he had it and so did Bowden who was only a few feet away. It was only looked at after the RSA dressing room complained. If Bowden's word was final on the Collingwood/Cook dismissals, why wasn't it in this case? Even the guys on TMS this morning having viewed it several times concluded it was out.

And as for Bell's catch. He wasn't sure he had it so he shrugged his shoulders meaning "look at it again" but the RSA team were still bleating on about it saying he should've owned up straight away. So we can't win apparently.

Well, it's all irrelevent I suppose seeing as our batting and the bowling hasn't been good enough but these one sided bad decisions don't seem to be doing us any small favours.

I think Bowden still hates us after the Collingwood/Sidebottom run out.

Brad · 19th July 2008, 17:04

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I think Bowden still hates us after the Collingwood/Sidebottom run out.

The ball after, when Bowden gave a no-ball when Flintoffs foot was plenty well on the line if not just behind it, was a very interesting decision indeed. It was a late call, personally I think he ducked the decision of whether Anwar had gloved it to the keeper down leg side or not

Spoonatov · 19th July 2008, 17:12

Apparently DeVilliers reckons he wasn't sure. . .I think Smith and the others started celebrating. I'll have to look it at it again, though. And I don't think Bowden hates anyone. Not sure who gave Amala (sp) out, but he got a very bad decision. It looked as if it was going down leg side from the naked eye. Many players throughout history have claimed catches that simply didn't carry, but you can;t get way with it anymore. There are too many cameras. And our batting has been awful, and that's really the reason why SA look as if they're going to win. Too many loose shots, symptomatic of 20/20 and the 50 overs game. Also, you have to say, that most wickets around the world are very flat and lifeless, get most players on a pitch that may offer a little, and you see them struggle.

CapeTownRed · 19th July 2008, 18:54

So I don't get any cricket coverage over here, which is terrible. Anyone feel like giving me a run-down of how the series has panned out so far?

Brad · 19th July 2008, 19:54

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So I don't get any cricket coverage over here, which is terrible. Anyone feel like giving me a run-down of how the series has panned out so far?

England started brilliant; but eventually it became evident English bowlers are unable to take 20 Safrican wickets in a match, and we're now going through the long slow process of losing the series heavily

GiggsysGirl · 19th July 2008, 20:47

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So I don't get any cricket coverage over here, which is terrible. Anyone feel like giving me a run-down of how the series has panned out so far?

Yeah, the Saffies have paid God to make it cloudy when we bat, sunny when you bat and Billy Bowden even more mental than he was before.

CapeTownRed · 20th July 2008, 21:05

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England started brilliant; but eventually it became evident English bowlers are unable to take 20 Safrican wickets in a match, and we're now going through the long slow process of losing the series heavily

Ah, good news then. Thanks for that.

GiggsysGirl · 21st July 2008, 12:17

Jimmy's gonna get a hundred.

Brad · 21st July 2008, 12:32

I always said Jimmy could bat a bit. He's a very harsh 11th man usually

It's sun all the way for the rest of this test now. We won't because we're England and we eventually throw our wickets away, but there should be no reason why we can't dig in until the afternoon session of tomorrow, having seen what the Safricans can do with the bat, and the lack of cloud cover. With the runs we'll have scored in that time, might just be enough to get out of jail

I reckon Cook needs to bat at least until tea, and that we can only afford to lose Jimmys wicket by then. If we keep it to no worse than 4 down at the end of play, its game (or rather draw) on. Possibly

GiggsysGirl · 21st July 2008, 12:56

KP frightens me.

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Utd heap · 21st July 2008, 13:05

Fuck sake, just as i started to think we had a chance.

Great effort from Anderson there though, no faulting him.

All rests on Bell and Cook putting 200 atleast on now.

GiggsysGirl · 21st July 2008, 13:10

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All rests on Bell and Cook putting 200 atleast on now.

Hundreds from each of them methinks...and fifties from Fred and Broad.

Where would we be then? My maths is shocking.

Utd heap · 21st July 2008, 14:19

End of test...

Going to be difficult to come back, as i don't see us taking 20 SA wickets, ecspecially at the Oval.

GiggsysGirl · 21st July 2008, 15:46

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End of test...

Going to be difficult to come back, as i don't see us taking 20 SA wickets, ecspecially at the Oval.

Not without replacing Pattinson.

Pattinson. What the fuck?

I'd even have preferred Harmison...and I hate that guy.

Utd heap · 21st July 2008, 18:36

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Not without replacing Pattinson.

Pattinson. What the fuck?

I'd even have preferred Harmison...and I hate that guy.

He's an Aussie for fuck sake, poor mans Hoggard.

Rams · 21st July 2008, 19:31

If we would have kept to my thread Pieterson would be still batting with Cook

GiggsysGirl · 21st July 2008, 20:46

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If we would have kept to my thread Pieterson would be still batting with Cook

No I just didn't start mine quick enough. Yours had already put the mockers on us.

Mockers?

Jimmy was our MOM for me. Bowled well with little luck and batted like a trooper. Even took a blow to the head for his troubles. Broad may also have saved his skin at the end there. Very brave stuff.

malcolm31337 · 21st July 2008, 21:28

Questions need to be asked of Vaughan. Anyway sign of a good team is if they can bounce back, come on england!

GiggsysGirl · 22nd July 2008, 16:17

Ok so yeah they effectively beat us by an innings...but if you look at the actual scorecard, apart from Prince's 149 and De Villiers' 174 no other RSA batsman made more than 44.

So tecnically, if you discount those two...the top scoring batsmen were Cook and Broad.

I feel better now.

Spoonatov · 22nd July 2008, 16:25

If it's a flat pitch, expect Bell and Pietersen to score big centuries.

18th July 2008, 13:38	#1 (permalink)
GiggsysGirl Mrs Pilkington Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: You can't make someone love you! All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in! Posts: 19,729	ENG v RSA 2nd Test... I know there's already a thread but I'm hoping my old thread starting magic powers will kick in again and get us out of this hole Rams' thread has dug us into.

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GiggsysGirl Mrs Pilkington Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: You can't make someone love you! All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in! Posts: 19,729	Operation: Straw Clutch Ok so yeah they effectively beat us by an innings...but if you look at the actual scorecard, apart from Prince's 149 and De Villiers' 174 no other RSA batsman made more than 44. So tecnically, if you discount those two...the top scoring batsmen were Cook and Broad. I feel better now.

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GiggsysGirl Mrs Pilkington Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: You can't make someone love you! All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in! Posts: 19,729	Nevermind

19th July 2008, 09:10	#3 (permalink)
GiggsysGirl Mrs Pilkington Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: You can't make someone love you! All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in! Posts: 19,729	ARGH! Cricket is supposed to provide me with a respite from seething at my television but that's what I ended up doing yet again yesterday. Umpires aren't allowed to use replays to see if a ball has brushed bat and not trouser leg (something it can clear up in an instant) but they are allowed to use it to see if a ball has been grounded (something it only confuses more)? Madness! And bloody Smith and Nel telling Amla to go back after he's been given out officially? Who put them in charge? ARGH!

19th July 2008, 13:43	#8 (permalink)
Spoonatov El Presidente - Voted best poster 2007 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Number 17. (Laura's got a cellulite arse). RIP Jermaine Stewart. Posts: 26,958	Vaughan's catch looked uncaught from every angle I've seen. It was clearly not out. And to be fair, Bell also had one of those 'I'm not sure it was out' moments. So, I reckon we're being very hypocritical here. Both sides have been as bad as each other.

19th July 2008, 16:58	#11 (permalink)
GiggsysGirl Mrs Pilkington Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: You can't make someone love you! All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in! Posts: 19,729	I read today that DeVilliers wasn't sure about his catch and suggested they look at it but his teammates surrounded him to shut him up basically. Don't know if that's true. And as for Vaughan's catch, there's no way he could have known for sure himself since his head was up and his eyes were probably closed but from the way he reacted he definitely felt he had it and so did Bowden who was only a few feet away. It was only looked at after the RSA dressing room complained. If Bowden's word was final on the Collingwood/Cook dismissals, why wasn't it in this case? Even the guys on TMS this morning having viewed it several times concluded it was out. And as for Bell's catch. He wasn't sure he had it so he shrugged his shoulders meaning "look at it again" but the RSA team were still bleating on about it saying he should've owned up straight away. So we can't win apparently. Well, it's all irrelevent I suppose seeing as our batting and the bowling hasn't been good enough but these one sided bad decisions don't seem to be doing us any small favours. I think Bowden still hates us after the Collingwood/Sidebottom run out.

19th July 2008, 17:12	#13 (permalink)
Spoonatov El Presidente - Voted best poster 2007 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Number 17. (Laura's got a cellulite arse). RIP Jermaine Stewart. Posts: 26,958	Apparently DeVilliers reckons he wasn't sure. . .I think Smith and the others started celebrating. I'll have to look it at it again, though. And I don't think Bowden hates anyone. Not sure who gave Amala (sp) out, but he got a very bad decision. It looked as if it was going down leg side from the naked eye. Many players throughout history have claimed catches that simply didn't carry, but you can;t get way with it anymore. There are too many cameras. And our batting has been awful, and that's really the reason why SA look as if they're going to win. Too many loose shots, symptomatic of 20/20 and the 50 overs game. Also, you have to say, that most wickets around the world are very flat and lifeless, get most players on a pitch that may offer a little, and you see them struggle.

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CapeTownRed Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Geneva, Switzerland Posts: 767	So I don't get any cricket coverage over here, which is terrible. Anyone feel like giving me a run-down of how the series has panned out so far?

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GiggsysGirl Mrs Pilkington Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: You can't make someone love you! All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in! Posts: 19,729	Jimmy's gonna get a hundred.

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Brad The Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Stockholm Posts: 19,122	I always said Jimmy could bat a bit. He's a very harsh 11th man usually It's sun all the way for the rest of this test now. We won't because we're England and we eventually throw our wickets away, but there should be no reason why we can't dig in until the afternoon session of tomorrow, having seen what the Safricans can do with the bat, and the lack of cloud cover. With the runs we'll have scored in that time, might just be enough to get out of jail I reckon Cook needs to bat at least until tea, and that we can only afford to lose Jimmys wicket by then. If we keep it to no worse than 4 down at the end of play, its game (or rather draw) on. Possibly

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GiggsysGirl Mrs Pilkington Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: You can't make someone love you! All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in! Posts: 19,729	KP frightens me. Edit:

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Utd heap First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: At an away ground near you... Posts: 7,479	Fuck sake, just as i started to think we had a chance. Great effort from Anderson there though, no faulting him. All rests on Bell and Cook putting 200 atleast on now.

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Utd heap First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: At an away ground near you... Posts: 7,479	End of test... Going to be difficult to come back, as i don't see us taking 20 SA wickets, ecspecially at the Oval.

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Rams extremely handsome, intelligent and talented poster Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: midtable anonymity Posts: 26,713	If we would have kept to my thread Pieterson would be still batting with Cook

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malcolm31337 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 93, 94, 96, 97, 99, 00, 01, 03, 07, 08...09 Posts: 3,767	Questions need to be asked of Vaughan. Anyway sign of a good team is if they can bounce back, come on england!

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Spoonatov El Presidente - Voted best poster 2007 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Number 17. (Laura's got a cellulite arse). RIP Jermaine Stewart. Posts: 26,958	If it's a flat pitch, expect Bell and Pietersen to score big centuries.