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27th November 2011, 20:21
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The F1 Thread 2012 Season
Team & Driver Line Ups
Red Bull Racing - Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber Vodafone McLaren Mercedes - Jenson Button and Lewis Hamilton Scuderia Ferrari - Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa Mercedes GP - Michael Schumacher and Nico Rosberg Lotus F1 - Kimi Raikkonen and Romain Grosjean Force India F1 - Paul Di Resta and Nico Hulkenberg Sauber F1 - Kamui Kobayashi and Sergio Pérez Torro Rosso - Daniel Ricciardo and Jean-Eric Vergne AT&T Williams - Pastor Maldonado and Bruno Senna Team Caterham - Heikki Kovalainen and Jarno Trulli HRT F1 - Pedro de la Rosa and Narain Karthikeyan Marussia Virgin Racing - Timo Glock and Charles Pic 2012 Calendar | Results Australian Grand Prix Melbourne, 16-18 March Winner: Jenson Button Second: Sebastial Vettel Third: Lewis Hamilton Full Results - Formula1.com ________________________________________________ Malaysian Grand Prix Sepang, 23-25 March ________________________________________________ Chinese Grand Prix Shanghai, 13-15 April ________________________________________________ Bahrain Grand Prix Sakhir, 20-22 April ________________________________________________ Spanish Grand Prix Montmelo, 11-13 May ________________________________________________ Monaco Grand Prix Monte Carlo, 25-27 May ________________________________________________ Canadian Grand Prix Montreal, 8-10 June ________________________________________________ European Grand Prix Valencia, 22-24 June ________________________________________________ British Grand Prix Silverstone, 6-8 July ________________________________________________ German Grand Prix Hockenheim, 20-22 July ________________________________________________ Hungarian Grand Prix Hungaroring, 27-29 July ________________________________________________ Belgian Grand Prix Spa-Francorchamps, 31 August - 2 September ________________________________________________ Italian Grand Prix Monza, 7-9 September ________________________________________________ Singapore Grand Prix Singapore, 21-23 September ________________________________________________ Japanese Grand Prix Suzuka, 5-7 October ________________________________________________ Korean Grand Prix Yeongam, 12-14 October ________________________________________________ Indian Grand Prix New Delhi, 26-28 October ________________________________________________ Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Yas Marina, 2-4 November ________________________________________________ United States Grand Prix Austin, 16-18 November ________________________________________________ Brazilian Grand Prix Interlagos, 23-25 November ________________________________________________ |
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27th November 2011, 20:28
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Jesus that was quick, Red bull will be the team to catch in 2012. As long as Newey is creating that car and Vettel is behind the wheel its a winning combo for quite some time ahead. If McLaren can close the gap with their car then they could give red bull a good run for their money
Alonso will have a good look in but ultimately dont think Ferrari will give him a good enough car to compete with, they are miles behind red bull and mclaren at the moment oh and massa will be shitter than ever massa 
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27th November 2011, 21:00
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A fair chance to do what? Nothing again?
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27th November 2011, 21:18
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Hope Ferrari and Mclaren make a better start to 2012. Red Bull have caught them out in terms of the way they've started the season.
If Alonso is given a competitive car, I will back him to win it. For me he is still the most complete and 'smartest' driver out there. |
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27th November 2011, 21:43
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Ferrari are supposed to have a radical design according to what they were saying earlier in the year, whether that amounts into anything will be the acid test.
Charles Pic has been confirmed as Marussia's second driver next season btw, replacing D'Ambrosio. |
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27th November 2011, 22:44
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I see a domination of F1 for quite a few seasons by Vettel. |
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27th November 2011, 22:46
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He is a shit and its time Ferrari realised this. |
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28th November 2011, 00:46
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Will be interesting to watch Mercedes development. Michael certainly has shown great race pace all year 'much more impressive then Rosberg' and whisper through the media is that he's built up a very strong relationship with the team 'much like he did with Ferrari'. |
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28th November 2011, 07:11
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28th November 2011, 09:24
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28th November 2011, 10:33
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I can imagine Vettel thinking 'I need to pit soon, engineer who is behind me?' 'Massa'  'Awesome, I'll give him a 20 second lead but I'll have overtaken him again having already stopped when he has not.' |
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28th November 2011, 13:57
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In-season testing is back, but as far as I know there's only one test. Maximum height of the nose is reduced from 62.5cm above ground to 55cm. I think that's it. Full sporting and technical regs are available from the FIA website if you're bored enough to read them. |
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28th November 2011, 14:01
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Other noteable changes, the nose of the cars must be lower by about 7.5cm's, doesn't sound much but that changes alot of the aero layout. Pirelli tyres are likely to go even softer in compound but probably maintain or improve endurance levels. Probably a few other minor things. |
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28th November 2011, 14:01
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Will only see about half the races, but its gonna be weird to see a F1 season without Barichello, he's always been as far back as I can remember (94). Raikonnen is far too good for Williams. If Ferrari or Red Bull wanted to make things interesting, they'd cut the dead weight and go for Kimi, though not much chance of that happening
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28th November 2011, 14:19
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If Raikonnen has a good season with Williams , he could be the one to take over from Webber. |
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28th November 2011, 14:30
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Hopefully next year McLaren can make a rocketship, Lewis can keep his mind state right and Williams can start making progress for once. I'd love to see Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton and Button slugging it out for the title. Also I hope they get rid of DRS, at least in qualifying. They need to get rid of the flexi front-wings too. Some special qualifying tyres would be nice and less durable tyres from Pirelli would be great too. Can't wait for next year.
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28th November 2011, 15:09
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We still get innovation of course but its usually by teams noticing a gap in the regs that others haven't and getting a 6 month head start developing it. 2009 was Double Deck Diffusers, 2010 F-Duct and 2011 EBD. |
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28th November 2011, 17:58
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Any chance of having qualifying tires next year? Not a fan of the "start on the ones you set your fastest lap on" rule.
Was quite looking forward to ground effect coming back but I think that's been decided against now in favour of DRS. All I really want is for Red Bull not to be absurdly faster than everyone else. And for McLaren to not screw up winter testing quite as badly as they did last year. |
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28th November 2011, 18:24
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What they really need to do is something about Q3.
It is wrong that drivers get into Q3 and then dont even go out and then get free choice of rubber for the race. If they don't go out for Q3 make them start the race on the rubber they finished Q2 with. |
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28th November 2011, 19:17
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Someone mentioned getting rid of DRS in quali; they are restricting its use for quali on safety grounds, not sure exactly how this will be implemented yet but they don't want people using it whilst still exiting corners as it's caused a few spins, it may well be restricted to straights or set parts of the track for FP and quali next season. |
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28th November 2011, 20:23
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28th November 2011, 20:39
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I'd rather they just got rid of DRS altogether, I really don't like it. Not a fan of KERS either, but that's not as bad.
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28th November 2011, 20:46
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I feel KERS has got the potential but the regulations are too strict. It fits in with the whole green F1 concept which they are trying to push forward too for future regulations. They won't really let them tinker with the engines so they might as well let them tinker with the KERS. Personally I'd lift engine regulations and bring back turbo's but that will never happen (they'll bring back turbo's but they'll regulate what you can do heavily).
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28th November 2011, 21:29
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Yeah but I think they'll freeze it after each team has introduced their engine, then when someone whinges they'll unfreeze it, but they won't let the engineers do what they want.
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28th November 2011, 21:31
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Just had a quick google,wiki says 2014, and a few other sites reckon revs will be limited to 12,000rpm.
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29th November 2011, 09:41
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29th November 2011, 10:38
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1.8 litre turbos with a 12k rev limit doesn't sound like the pinnacle of motorsport to me. |
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