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Old 31st January 2012, 18:19   #81 (permalink)
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He won 16 slams, the fact that he was involved another five or six that he didn't win just drives home the point of how successful he's been.
How mad must it make Murray that he'll never get to face someone as shit as Roddick in a GS Final?
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Old 1st February 2012, 09:05   #82 (permalink)
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Roddick schooled Murray at Wimbledon the one time he didn't get Nadal(I know Murray has beaten him btw, but he was in terrible form for a while and Murray IS the better player tbh, but again a case of being the new generation). Immensely unfair on him that he has this joke tag on him now, definitely a one dimensional player, but an immensely effective one, and would of been quite high up on the all time grand slam wins had Federer not been around or even just not as consistent, certainly would would of won at least one at the Aussie, Wimbledon(probably 3-4) and obviously more US Opens. The loss at Wimbledon 2009 was simply just unfair, no one other player who didn't win deserves a Wimbledon title more, not Henman, not Goran when he finally won it, not even Lendl imo.
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Old 1st February 2012, 09:38   #83 (permalink)
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A grand slam is a grand slam, I like how people here undervaluing Federer's quality and grand slam wins. I'd like to see Novak or Rafa or Murray being as good at 30 as Federer is right now. The majority of the Tennis players reach their peak at 24-25 so it's also fair to say that the supposed domination by Nadal on Federer happened when Fed was falling off his peak and Nadal was reaching his peak.

For all the worshiping of Sampras here, how many worthy rivals did he have in his prime?

Agassi who if anyone has read his biography will know what a complex character he was and how much he absolutely hated playing tennis. He was brilliant but he was also extremely inconsistent. Also let's not forget that Sampras's record at French Open was absolutely awful, average players like Gustavo Kuerten won the French Open but Sampras was absolutely awful at it.

I guess the main reason why people here are keen to undervalue Fed's achievements is mainly because of his personality. Still on his day he could defeat both Nadal and Novak, which at the age of 30 deserves some more credit than the guys here are willing to give him. Fed at his prime was amazing to watch, if he's giving both of them tough games at this age then we can safely say that he would've defeated both of them when he was at top of his game.
I agree. Federer is surely the best tennis player ever. On top of his form, he was untouchable. People forget that he now plays against others in their prime and its very hard, as Sampras had to find out when he lost to Federer aged 20. The way Federer played Tennis was like Zidane playing football - so much class, so much excellence, just superior than anyone else. He truly deserves to be labelled the best
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Old 1st February 2012, 15:21   #84 (permalink)
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you mean John McEnroe...

just the most skillful I thought.

loved his histrionics...

bloody entertaining...
Like a Cantona of tennis
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Old 1st February 2012, 15:48   #85 (permalink)
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I agree. Federer is surely the best tennis player ever. On top of his form, he was untouchable. People forget that he now plays against others in their prime and its very hard, as Sampras had to find out when he lost to Federer aged 20. The way Federer played Tennis was like Zidane playing football - so much class, so much excellence, just superior than anyone else. He truly deserves to be labelled the best
What people are saying is that Federer is spoiling his legacy by coming across as an arrogant twat in many interviews whenever he loses. I'm sorry but looking for a gold standard in an individual sport must also include looking at one's personality.

Pelé's ridiculous outbursts at Messi and Maradona back in the day have played a part in him losing much of his aura.
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Old 1st February 2012, 15:59   #86 (permalink)
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How mad must it make Murray that he'll never get to face someone as shit as Roddick in a GS Final?
Mad enough to work on his second serve, hopefully.
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Old 1st February 2012, 19:27   #87 (permalink)
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I've always wondered how many Open's Laver would've won if professional players could take part in them for those five years he was ineligible. As it was he won 11, including all four the year before he turned professional, and all four the second year after he was allowed back in. You have to think he would have won at least another five during that five year period, and in all likelihood would've set a record that the likes of Sampras and Federer would never have beaten.

Of course, if I'm getting into the hypothetical's then it also has to be acknowledged that his earlier slams came at a time when professional players couldn't take part, so he may not have won as many of them as he did in those early years.
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Old 1st February 2012, 19:37   #88 (permalink)
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Like a Cantona of tennis
good comparison.

He was an artist.
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Old 1st February 2012, 22:49   #89 (permalink)
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I've always wondered how many Open's Laver would've won if professional players could take part in them for those five years he was ineligible. As it was he won 11, including all four the year before he turned professional, and all four the second year after he was allowed back in. You have to think he would have won at least another five during that five year period, and in all likelihood would've set a record that the likes of Sampras and Federer would never have beaten.

Of course, if I'm getting into the hypothetical's then it also has to be acknowledged that his earlier slams came at a time when professional players couldn't take part, so he may not have won as many of them as he did in those early years.
You have to set those 5 "lost" years in the pro ranks against the grand slams he won in 1961 and 1962, when he was not by any stretch the best player in the world - just the best amateur. Rosewall and Gonzales were better players at that time.
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Old 2nd February 2012, 20:39   #90 (permalink)
 
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1. Fed
2. Sampras
3. Borg
4. Connors
5. Lendl / Edberg / McEnroe / Wilander

Never saw Laver to comment on him. Agassi I am sure should be included in the top 10 but I hated him
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Old 7th February 2012, 11:59   #91 (permalink)
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You'd put Edberg on a par with McEnroe, really?
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Old 7th February 2012, 12:39   #92 (permalink)
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1. Fed
2. Sampras
3. Borg
4. Connors
5. Lendl / Edberg / McEnroe / Wilander

Never saw Laver to comment on him. Agassi I am sure should be included in the top 10 but I hated him
That's a fair post 1970 list. Agassi would probably sneak into number 5 if you didn't hate him so much.
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Old 7th February 2012, 13:25   #93 (permalink)
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Federer
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Old 19th February 2012, 12:53   #94 (permalink)
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no one mention Ilie Nastase, he was John McEnroe's "godfather"
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Old 19th February 2012, 12:57   #95 (permalink)
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I was told that after Borg lost to McEnroe he quit, because he realized this guy was so much better he would just tarnish his reputation to continue and end up losing to him again.

So I'd think McEnroe should be above Borg.
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Old 19th February 2012, 13:11   #96 (permalink)
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Old 28th February 2012, 17:49   #97 (permalink)
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Nadal beat Federer the very first team they played and in straight sets and on hard courts. Federer was at his peak at this time.

Federer is one of best of all time but he's won a lot of Slams when his "competition" was one shot wonder Roddick and Hewitt. Nadal and Djokovic have had to come up against Federer to win their Slams.
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Old 28th February 2012, 17:52   #98 (permalink)
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Roddick schooled Murray at Wimbledon the one time he didn't get Nadal(I know Murray has beaten him btw, but he was in terrible form for a while and Murray IS the better player tbh, but again a case of being the new generation). Immensely unfair on him that he has this joke tag on him now, definitely a one dimensional player, but an immensely effective one, and would of been quite high up on the all time grand slam wins had Federer not been around or even just not as consistent, certainly would would of won at least one at the Aussie, Wimbledon(probably 3-4) and obviously more US Opens. The loss at Wimbledon 2009 was simply just unfair, no one other player who didn't win deserves a Wimbledon title more, not Henman, not Goran when he finally won it, not even Lendl imo.
He threw away the 2009 title. Having set points for a 2 sets to love lead and then to miss the volley that he did at set point is criminal.
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Old 29th February 2012, 17:40   #99 (permalink)
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Pistol Pete for me.

Although Boris Becker is still my favourite.
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Old 29th February 2012, 23:51   #100 (permalink)
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Dont know who the best player was, but the best DJ has to be DJ Okovic
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Old 1st March 2012, 04:19   #101 (permalink)
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From the time I have been watching, for me it has to be Pete Sampras.
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Old 1st March 2012, 04:35   #102 (permalink)
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