Miguel Cotto v Antonio Margarito

Don16 · 5th June 2008, 20:17

I reckon Mayweather is fearing them both.

Any way to watch it over here?

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Whats the actual date for it? Some sites are saying June 9th, and another says July 26th?

starman · 5th June 2008, 20:38

It's way off, they fight on the 26th July, I was going to make a thread on it myself.

Both in the top 10 pound for pound rankings, both big punches, both never been knockout, Cotto undefeated.

Some say if Cotto wins he can stake his claim as being pound for pound the best fighter in the world, I wont wholly disagree with that seeing the quality of fighter he fought over the last 3 years has been a lot better then Mayweather, plus he's fighting someone Mayweather has notoriously ducked for years.

Its shaped up for a great fight. Winner too fight Mayweather, surely?

Don16 · 5th June 2008, 20:50

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Originally Posted by starman

It's way off, they fight on the 26th July, I was going to make a thread on it myself.

Both in the top 10 pound for pound rankings, both big punches, both never been knockout, Cotto undefeated.

Some say if Cotto wins he can stake his claim as being pound for pound the best fighter in the world, I wont wholly disagree with that seeing the quality of fighter he fought over the last 3 years has been a lot better then Mayweather, plus he's fighting someone Mayweather has notoriously ducked for years.

Its shaped up for a great fight. Winner too fight Mayweather, surely?

That's what I thought aswell, I'd love to see it happen. Cotto vs Floyd would be excellent.

Do you reckon Sky Sports will pick this up?

Decotron · 5th June 2008, 21:03

Dying for this fight, its gonna be nasty! Id love to see one or both kick the living shit out of Mayweather. Hope its not ppv

Don16 · 5th June 2008, 21:17

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Originally Posted by Decotron

Dying for this fight, its gonna be nasty! Id love to see one or both kick the living shit out of Mayweather. Hope its not ppv

Nah I doubt it would be PPV, they'd never sell it, most people over here never would have heard of Margarito or Cotto.

starman · 5th June 2008, 21:38

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Originally Posted by Don16

That's what I thought aswell, I'd love to see it happen. Cotto vs Floyd would be excellent.

Yeah, but as it stands Hatton and Mayweather are lined up too fight eachother again if they both win their next fight.

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Do you reckon Sky Sports will pick this up?

I would guess Setanta would purchase the rights, seeing as they will be showing Pavlik Lockett tomorrow.

KeyserSoze · 5th June 2008, 22:30

This should be a good fight. I would not say Mayweather is dodging anyone... but i would love to see him and Cotto in the same ring.

Decotron · 5th June 2008, 22:32

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This should be a good fight. I would not say Mayweather is dodging anyone... but i would love to see him and Cotto in the same ring.

Id love to see how Mayweather would react if he gets knocked down. I hate the fucker but he is a rolls royce of fighter, when he was younger he was even better IMO.

Pat_Mustard · 7th June 2008, 00:08

Can't wait for this fight. I mentioned it in a thread a few months back. Cotto is the more skilled boxer and has a knack of fucking guys up badly, but Margarito's workrate, chin and relentlessness are just insane.

francobaresi · 7th June 2008, 16:16

I take Cotto to win, the guy's just brutal

Pat_Mustard · 7th June 2008, 23:15

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I take Cotto to win, the guy's just brutal

He's definitely the more rounded, adaptable fighter. But he's been hurt badly a few times in his career against lighter punchers then Margarito. Although in fairness that was mainly at light-welterweight where he was drained from making weight. He looks sturdier at welter, but Margarito will test any lingering doubts about his chin.

Don16 · 19th July 2008, 13:06

Not long

starman · 25th July 2008, 16:31

Time for a bump.

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With the retirement of Floyd Mayweather, Miguel Cotto is looking to establish himself as the best 147-pound fighter in boxing when he defends his welterweight title against Antonio Margarito. Here are five subplots surrounding one of the most anticipated fights of the year.

Just like the good old days

Veteran boxing writer George Kimball's new book, "Four Kings," chronicles the time when Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Tommy Hearns and Roberto Duran took turns beating up on each other beginning in the 1970s. There were nine fights between them in all and just about every one of them was a megafight that captured the attention of not just boxing fans, but the sports world in general. Most of the rivalries took root in the welterweight division, where Leonard-Hearns I and Leonard-Duran I and II laid the foundation for what the book calls "the last great era in boxing."

Miguel Cotto versus Antonio Margarito could very well rekindle some of those memories. It is certainly receiving the kind of hype that a megabout generates. Just when it was thought major media had forgotten about boxing, newspapers like The Wall Street Journal are reporting about the fight and promoter Bob Arum says national television coverage will be "enormous."

That said, Cotto figures to be better suited to handle the bright lights. He has been in the ring with Zab Judah and Shane Mosley and built enormous confidence with those victories. He's returning for his first fight in Las Vegas in nearly four years as a proven champion. Margarito has never fought in this kind of spotlight and while he doesn't figure to freeze like a deer in headlights, he may try to do too much too soon, exhausting himself the way Hearns did in his first fight with Leonard.

Can't we all just get along?

Whenever Puerto Rican and Mexican boxers collide in the ring, national pride flows like blood at a slaughterhouse.

"In both countries they love the sport," Arum said. "When you have passionate fans in Puerto Rico and passionate fans in Mexico, you're going to get that type of reaction." The fact that Cotto is Puerto Rican and Margarito is Mexican only adds gasoline to their competitive fires and guarantees both fighters will be driven by pride. "Everybody knows about the rivalry between Puerto Rico and Mexico and this is an extra chapter in its history," Cotto said.

Skills pay the bills

As a junior welterweight prospect, Cotto was regarded mostly as a hard puncher who wore down his opponents with constant pressure and combinations. But he showed his versatility as a boxer against Shane Mosley when he jabbed and counterpunched late in the fight to earn a unanimous decision. It reinforced his overall ability to adapt in the ring and use whatever tactic suits his purpose.

Margarito, meanwhile, is all about pressure and power. "I don't think boxing is going to have a lot to do with it," he said.

Look for Cotto to try to use his boxing skills to keep Margarito off balance early. If Margarito can turn it into a slugfest, it's his best chance to win. "I'm going to use whatever I need to use to win this fight," Cotto said. "I don't know which style is going to give me victory." Margarito doesn't have a Plan B. "I'm the type of fighter who puts pressure on an opponent," he said. "We'll see how he reacts to it."

Chin music

Cotto was considered to have a suspect chin when he was hurt by DeMarcus Corley and dropped by Ricardo Torres in 2005. Those fights were at junior welterweight, however.

Since moving up to welterweight, Cotto hasn't been seriously hurt, taking strong punches from Zab Judah and Shane Mosley. If Margarito is thinking he can finish Cotto with one punch, he's mistaken. Tests showed Cotto was burning muscle to make the 140-pound weight limit, which weakened the fighter and allowed him to be wobbled by punches, according to Arum.

At 147, Cotto's chin has been granite. "When you destroy yourself to make the lower weight you suffer the consequences in the ring," Cotto said. "I feel more comfortable at 147." Margarito hasn't really been battered, losing to Paul Williams because he couldn't solve the lanky left-hander's style. Don't expect any sudden knockouts. It will be an accumulation of punches that determines the outcome.

No losers here

If this fight lives up to the hype -- and that's saying a lot -- it should enhance both fighters' careers, regardless of who wins. Boxing is so starved for competitive matchups that neither fighter will be damaged if it's a thrilling bout with constant action that leaves fans and pay-per-view customers feeling they got their money's worth. In fact, it could be the first of a trilogy. Both fighters feel like their legacies are on the line. "Winning this fight will put me at another level as a Mexican fighter and a Mexican icon," Margarito said. "I know I'm hungrier than he is and I want it more than he does and I'm going to go get it."

Cotto is just as motivated. "This is going to be a real battle," he said, "because he is trying to take my title away."

George Willis is the boxing columnist for the New York Post.

Getting talking up for a top fight, lets hope it lives up too it.

francobaresi · 26th July 2008, 12:39

Bring it on. Can't wait for this

Ander8on · 26th July 2008, 12:50

Its on Setanta - 3.30am - 6.30am

Another all-nighter looming...

KeyserSoze · 26th July 2008, 14:32

This should be a great fight.

Looks like another long night for me.

Decotron · 26th July 2008, 16:53

Going to attempt to watch this shit faced later, does anyone know what time the fight will actually start at?

Pat_Mustard · 26th July 2008, 20:16

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Going to attempt to watch this shit faced later, does anyone know what time the fight will actually start at?

Not sure but most big fights in the west of America tend to start between three and four in the morning over here. Cant fucking wait for this. I'm likely to be depending on an internet stream for this though which is making me nervous as fuck.

starman · 26th July 2008, 23:59

Here's the promo for the fight.

Scroll through to the 15 minute mark

Canuckred64 · 27th July 2008, 04:16

Fight just about to start, should be a good one. Cotto favoured, but would like to see Margarito win it.

Canuckred64 · 27th July 2008, 05:07

Great fight. Margarito just wore Cotto down. Fight stopped in the 11th round.

Brad · 27th July 2008, 05:15

Really good fight that. Cotto boxed the best, he landed more punches despite throwing far less, and I reckon up to about 8 or 9 rounds he was probably ahead on the cards. But Margarito was just walking into massive punches at times, and you look at his face, he's relatively untouched! Cotto looked badly beaten even while he was ahead. And actually, it was dreadful refereeing, the fight should have been stopped by the ref about 30 seconds before his camp threw the towel in, it was clearly all over and it wasn't nice to watch, he could have been badly hurt

Pat_Mustard · 27th July 2008, 05:16

What a fucking fight. Margarito isn't human. I'll never know how he could eat those punches from a power puncher like Cotto and not even take a backward step.

KeyserSoze · 27th July 2008, 05:24

Great fight. The second round was pretty explosive and a sign of what was to come. Cotto was his usual self fighting without much regard for defense at times but he was gradually wore down by a consistent and well conditioned fighter. Towards the end of the fight his punches had nothing on them. Margarito took a lot of bombs but seemed relatively unaffected as the fight got to the latter stages, great performance. The fight should have been stopped a tad bit earlier though.

francobaresi · 28th July 2008, 10:14

I thought Cotto was in complete control for rounds 1-6, and I wouldn't have given Margarito a round up to that point. Round 7 turned the fight on it's head. Hats off to Margarito, he is one tough motherfucker

5th June 2008, 20:17	#1 (permalink)
Don16 Annoying cnut Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Live King Monkey Posts: 3,530	Miguel Cotto v Antonio Margarito I reckon Mayweather is fearing them both. Any way to watch it over here? :edit: Whats the actual date for it? Some sites are saying June 9th, and another says July 26th?

5th June 2008, 20:38	#2 (permalink)
starman Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Under a tree. Posts: 830	It's way off, they fight on the 26th July, I was going to make a thread on it myself. Both in the top 10 pound for pound rankings, both big punches, both never been knockout, Cotto undefeated. Some say if Cotto wins he can stake his claim as being pound for pound the best fighter in the world, I wont wholly disagree with that seeing the quality of fighter he fought over the last 3 years has been a lot better then Mayweather, plus he's fighting someone Mayweather has notoriously ducked for years. Its shaped up for a great fight. Winner too fight Mayweather, surely?

5th June 2008, 21:03	#4 (permalink)
Decotron Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: So near I can smell it..... Posts: 2,368	Dying for this fight, its gonna be nasty! Id love to see one or both kick the living shit out of Mayweather. Hope its not ppv

5th June 2008, 22:30	#7 (permalink)
KeyserSoze First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Way I Hear It Soze's Some Kind Of Butcher Posts: 6,974	This should be a good fight. I would not say Mayweather is dodging anyone... but i would love to see him and Cotto in the same ring.

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Pat_Mustard Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,142	Can't wait for this fight. I mentioned it in a thread a few months back. Cotto is the more skilled boxer and has a knack of fucking guys up badly, but Margarito's workrate, chin and relentlessness are just insane.

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francobaresi Sleep inducing poster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,699	I take Cotto to win, the guy's just brutal

19th July 2008, 13:06	#12 (permalink)
Don16 Annoying cnut Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Live King Monkey Posts: 3,530	Not long

26th July 2008, 12:39	#14 (permalink)
francobaresi Sleep inducing poster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,699	Bring it on. Can't wait for this

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Ander8on Pissface Bob for another 12 months Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chorlton “Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens.” Posts: 2,710	Its on Setanta - 3.30am - 6.30am Another all-nighter looming...

26th July 2008, 14:32	#16 (permalink)
KeyserSoze First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Way I Hear It Soze's Some Kind Of Butcher Posts: 6,974	This should be a great fight. Looks like another long night for me.

26th July 2008, 16:53	#17 (permalink)
Decotron Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: So near I can smell it..... Posts: 2,368	Going to attempt to watch this shit faced later, does anyone know what time the fight will actually start at?

26th July 2008, 23:59	#19 (permalink)
starman Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Under a tree. Posts: 830	Here's the promo for the fight. Scroll through to the 15 minute mark

27th July 2008, 04:16	#20 (permalink)
Canuckred64 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 843	Fight just about to start, should be a good one. Cotto favoured, but would like to see Margarito win it.

27th July 2008, 05:07	#21 (permalink)
Canuckred64 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 843	Great fight. Margarito just wore Cotto down. Fight stopped in the 11th round.

27th July 2008, 05:15	#22 (permalink)
Brad The Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Stockholm Posts: 19,121	Really good fight that. Cotto boxed the best, he landed more punches despite throwing far less, and I reckon up to about 8 or 9 rounds he was probably ahead on the cards. But Margarito was just walking into massive punches at times, and you look at his face, he's relatively untouched! Cotto looked badly beaten even while he was ahead. And actually, it was dreadful refereeing, the fight should have been stopped by the ref about 30 seconds before his camp threw the towel in, it was clearly all over and it wasn't nice to watch, he could have been badly hurt

27th July 2008, 05:16	#23 (permalink)
Pat_Mustard Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,142	What a fucking fight. Margarito isn't human. I'll never know how he could eat those punches from a power puncher like Cotto and not even take a backward step.

27th July 2008, 05:24	#24 (permalink)
KeyserSoze First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Way I Hear It Soze's Some Kind Of Butcher Posts: 6,974	Great fight. The second round was pretty explosive and a sign of what was to come. Cotto was his usual self fighting without much regard for defense at times but he was gradually wore down by a consistent and well conditioned fighter. Towards the end of the fight his punches had nothing on them. Margarito took a lot of bombs but seemed relatively unaffected as the fight got to the latter stages, great performance. The fight should have been stopped a tad bit earlier though.

28th July 2008, 10:14	#25 (permalink)
francobaresi Sleep inducing poster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,699	I thought Cotto was in complete control for rounds 1-6, and I wouldn't have given Margarito a round up to that point. Round 7 turned the fight on it's head. Hats off to Margarito, he is one tough motherfucker