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Ekeke · 21st February 2011, 07:08

Fedor clipped him more, his looping swings barely ever hit clean. You can count 2 or 3 that were clean. And despite that, his clips only meant he had contact 28 times to Silva's 25 in terms of power punching.

Silva landed straights, which are more powerful than looping punches. And a lot more of these were clean contact instead of clips with minimal damage. He landed more combinations (including a really nice flurry of 4 or 5 strikes at the end of the round that Fedor had no answer to) and cleaner, crisper strikes and only lost out if you go by counting each punch - which doesnt consider damage done or technique which both go to Silva

You can base your entire argument around compustrike numbers if you want, but you'd be the one subscribing to point scoring instead of judging the fight on the actual aspects its supposed to be judged on.

Silva pushed the action throughout the first round. He landed cleaner, crisper, strikes. He landed more combinations, he got 2 more takedowns and ended the round on top, and nothing Fedor tried had any affect whatsoever. Had he have landed clean on more than a couple of his power strikes while he was head hunting, sure that could have ended the fight quickly. But all he could manage were clips

Cheltenham Red · 25th February 2011, 17:42

[QUOTE=Ekeke;9330585]

Silva landed straights, which are more powerful than looping punches. [QUOTE]

If you mean jabs and crosses are more powerfull than hooks then you are wrong,if you mean wild haymakers then you may have a point.Clarify what you mean by a looping punches.

CassiusClaymore · 26th February 2011, 15:23

Seriously guys? Fedor got smashed, plain and simple. I don't really understand the debate.

Anyway, the UFC card tonight doesn't look particularly promising despite the best efforts of Rivera and Bisping to hype it up. I expect Fitch to grind out his usual 3 round points decision against BJ.

I might watch the BAMMA card instead. Daley is always worth the price of admission (bit naughty for missing weight again) and I'm interested to see how Ricco Rodriguez looks these days. Surely he's too much for James McSweeney?

Randall Flagg · 27th February 2011, 01:29

Predictions -

Chris Camozzi vs. Kyle Noke - I know little about either. I will guess at Noke
Chris Lytle vs. Brian Ebersole - Lytle
George Sotiropoulos vs. Dennis Siver - Fight of the night contender. Sotiropoulos to win
Michael Bisping vs. Jorge Rivera - Bisping by knockout
B.J. Penn vs. Jon Fitch - Will be a better than everyone thinks. Fitch will win

Stobzilla · 27th February 2011, 01:42

Please. Fedor got clocked and then looked desperate and scared quite frankly. He tried finishing the fight with wild punches which when they connected, Silva took very well.

I have been a fan of Fedor for a long time but he got schooled and didn't even look like he harmed Silva apart from a flash of brilliance when he got the lock in towards the end of the first.

ecantona7 · 27th February 2011, 03:10

Fakuda got robbed.

Zen · 27th February 2011, 07:04

UFC is so against Fitch because he's a pretty boring(but awesome) fighter. Absolutely robbed today.

Maajid · 27th February 2011, 09:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zen

UFC is so against Fitch because he's a pretty boring(but awesome) fighter. Absolutely robbed today.

The UFC has nothing to do with the judging of fights, the Atheltic Commissions are responsible for that.

Zen · 27th February 2011, 14:13

Ekeke · 27th February 2011, 14:39

Fitch should have won but BJ was honest enough to admit that.

Randall Flagg · 27th February 2011, 14:47

Thought Fitch was awsome in that 3rd round. Really was relentless.

Will Bisping be in a lot of trouble for spitting? Paul Daley got fired for post fight antics. What is considered worse?

niMic · 28th February 2011, 02:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randall Flagg

Thought Fitch was awsome in that 3rd round. Really was relentless.

Will Bisping be in a lot of trouble for spitting? Paul Daley got fired for post fight antics. What is considered worse?

What is considered worse between hitting a guy from behind after the fight is over and spitting on the ground in front of someone?

Chimera · 28th February 2011, 11:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randall Flagg

Thought Fitch was awsome in that 3rd round. Really was relentless.

Will Bisping be in a lot of trouble for spitting? Paul Daley got fired for post fight antics. What is considered worse?

Can't see dana cutting him for it. He's still the biggest draw for the UK at the minute. Probably just get fined or suspended maybe?

Didn't see that much wrong with it though, rivera got what he deserved. Baroni has been defending bisping on the UG and it seems to have silenced a lot of the bisping haters lol

Ekeke · 28th February 2011, 12:04

I thought Bisping's antics were hilarious tbh. I must have missed the spit though, thats uncalled for. Sadly another win for Bisping which doesnt really mean anything. As I saw it he wins and nothing happens - unless he knocks Rivera out with one punch knockout power, if he loses he can forget about ever having that title shot he talks about.

Typical Bisping win, combos and accumulative damage just about get the stoppage and he wins proving almost nothing.

Was dissapointed G-Sot lost, but it shows a hole in his game he needs to work on if he wants to win the title. If he cant take the likes of Edgar and Maynard down once or twice he'd only lose those fights too as Maynard has more power and Edgar would outpoint him on his feet.

Raoul · 1st March 2011, 05:48

Looking forward to Shogun v Jon Jones

Name Changed · 1st March 2011, 15:14

Bisping is a fucking prick. He'll get hammered as soon as he fights a half decent fighter. Henderson showed that. His antics before and after fights really make his look like a joke. It's all well and good talking shite if you are able to back it up but he really can't, unless he is fighting very poor fighters. His after match comments about Matt Hamill said it all. Hamill clearly won that fight but Bisping wins a hometown decision, and then he decides to slag off Hamill. Arsehole.

Spammy · 1st March 2011, 15:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Name Changed

Bisping is a fucking prick. He'll get hammered as soon as he fights a half decent fighter. Henderson showed that. His antics before and after fights really make his look like a joke. It's all well and good talking shite if you are able to back it up but he really can't, unless he is fighting very poor fighters. His after match comments about Matt Hamill said it all. Hamill clearly won that fight but Bisping wins a hometown decision, and then he decides to slag off Hamill. Arsehole.

Seriously, if you don't like trash talkers you are watching the wrong sport. Besides, Rivera was the one that tried to drag Bisping down by calling him out and doing loads of childish internet stuff - he was the one that couldn't back it up. Bisping won a fight and won a few fans back, I'm sure he'd take that.

Spammy · 1st March 2011, 15:34

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Originally Posted by Raoul

Looking forward to Shogun v Jon Jones

I'm not, if ever there was a fight where I didn't want to see either lose...

beardsleybob · 1st March 2011, 17:57

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Originally Posted by Spammy

I'm not, if ever there was a fight where I didn't want to see either lose...

Personally I'm not a fan of Jones. In the initial fight I had your opinion, as I like both Rashad and Shogun and wouldn't know who to cheer for. Wouldn't like either to be KTFO so a finish would be a bollocks, yet I hate fights going the distance

Name Changed · 1st March 2011, 18:26

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Originally Posted by Spammy

Seriously, if you don't like trash talkers you are watching the wrong sport. Besides, Rivera was the one that tried to drag Bisping down by calling him out and doing loads of childish internet stuff - he was the one that couldn't back it up. Bisping won a fight and won a few fans back, I'm sure he'd take that.

From what I read on the net, he is getting a load of stick. He illegally kneed Rivera whilst on the ground and he never fully recovered.

That is not the way I'd want to win a fight.

I don't mind any trash talking before a fight, it elevates the fight and gets more press attention for the event. But Bisping has showed complete disrespect for fellow fighters after fights on more than one occasion. The top fighters can trash talk, but generally they always show complete respect for their beaten opponents.

Cheltenham Red · 1st March 2011, 23:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spammy

Seriously, if you don't like trash talkers you are watching the wrong sport. Besides, Rivera was the one that tried to drag Bisping down by calling him out and doing loads of childish internet stuff - he was the one that couldn't back it up. Bisping won a fight and won a few fans back, I'm sure he'd take that.

This

CassiusClaymore · 4th March 2011, 12:04

How can you not be a fan of Jon Jones? He's everything that's right about the sport.

Saying that, I do find it odd that a lot of people are making Jones a favourite against the champion coming into this. I know Rua has been out for a while but he's on a different level to the guys that Jones has dispatched (admittedly with relative ease) so far.

I might put some dosh down on Shogun for this one. Jones will be a champ one day for sure but this might be too much too soon.

ecantona7 · 4th March 2011, 12:25

kapmann got robbed badly

Raoul · 4th March 2011, 12:36

I gather Lyoto is fighting Randy Couture at UFC129. No information about when Rashad is fighting next. I thought he would be ideal for Shogun after his win over Rampage.

CassiusClaymore · 4th March 2011, 12:37

Not seen it yet but seen a pic of Diegos face after the fight. Jesus Christ!

HEY....YOUUUUUU....GUUUYS!!!

Spoiler

CassiusClaymore · 4th March 2011, 12:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raoul

I gather Lyoto is fighting Randy Couture at UFC129. No information about when Rashad is fighting next. I thought he would be ideal for Shogun after his win over Rampage.

Who, Rashad? He was gonna fight Shogun but then got injured hence JJ stepping in.

Raoul · 4th March 2011, 12:40

Ahh, ok. I didn't know Rashad got injured.

Pogue Mahone · 4th March 2011, 16:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by CassiusClaymore

Not seen it yet but seen a pic of Diegos face after the fight. Jesus Christ!

HEY....YOUUUUUU....GUUUYS!!!

Spoiler

Which fight was that?

beardsleybob · 4th March 2011, 17:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Which fight was that?

Last night vs Kampmann. Rogan expects more pictures up on Diego's Twitter. Looked nastier on video

Ekeke · 4th March 2011, 18:43

Sanchez won the 2nd by putting Kampmann on wobbly legs imo. The 3rd was very close but I just about had Sanchez. Great comeback from him and even though Kampmann is much the more skilled fighter, he's another who couldnt keep it up against Diego's pace and slowed down a lot as the fight wore on.

Nucks · 6th March 2011, 13:23

I'm not sure who I had winning the BJ-Fitch fight.

Round one was BJ.

Round two was too close to call, but if I had a gun to my head I would have to take BJ.

Round three was all Fitch but it wasn't 10-8.

I'd score it 29-29 or if I absolutely had to pick a winner 29-28 BJ.

Round two was difficult to score because while BJ was vastly superior striking, and took Fitch's back, he lost the position and left Fitch on top for too long. It comes down to what you value more I suppose. I felt the round was too close to call maybe leaning slightly towards BJ.

I was pretty shocked at the decision though, with 2 Judges giving BJ two rounds and Fitch a 10-8 third.

Ekeke · 6th March 2011, 13:30

How was it not a 10-8?

Ekeke · 6th March 2011, 13:31

Also nice from Henderson last night. Explosive finish

Nucks · 6th March 2011, 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekeke

How was it not a 10-8?

Laying in guard throwing pillow punches isn't 10-8 for me.

He never hurt BJ, or even remotely came close to stopping him. For a round to be 10-8 for me one guy has to be hurt repeatedly or nearly stopped.

Siver deserved 10-8 for the first round vs George as he nearly stopped him. Fitch just sat in guard and threw arm punches and elbows. It was dominating but it wasn't devastating.

Ekeke · 6th March 2011, 14:25

The whole round was Fitch on top beating him up. After the fight that one round was enough for BJ to say "He kicked my ass" and think that he lost the fight. He outstruck him by 139 strikes. Thats a 10-8 or else they dont exist.

Nucks · 6th March 2011, 15:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekeke

The whole round was Fitch on top beating him up. After the fight that one round was enough for BJ to say "He kicked my ass" and think that he lost the fight. He outstruck him by 139 strikes. Thats a 10-8 or else they dont exist.

Rampage said the same thing when he got the decision over Lyoto yet Rampage easily won one round and probably 2, the judges thought so. One round a victory does not make especially when you're keeping active for the sole purpose of maintaining the position. Rampage won the majority of the fight on the score cards and then got his ass beat in the last round. BJ won the majority of the fight on the score cards and then got laid on for the last round. I won't discount what BJ said, but BJ was highly emotional, went into the fight thinking about retiring and he clearly lost the final round.

That is the knock on Fitch. He did not attempt to move into a more dominant position. He didn't throw anything with any real intent to stop the fight. He was content to just throw so that it wasn't stood up.

Tell me when BJ was ever hurt or in danger?

That is the key for me when you give a 10-8 round. One guy being in danger of actually being stopped, or the fight being stopped. There was never a moment in that round where a stoppage was considered or when BJ was in danger of being stopped.

That isn't a 10-8 round for me. If you want to award 10-8 rounds for dominant position an entire round then you're going to completely cheapen the 10-8 round that is normally reserved for nearly fight ending sequences.

niMic · 12th March 2011, 19:01

So... Zuffa, parent company of the UFC, has purchased Strikeforce.

o.o

beardsleybob · 12th March 2011, 19:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by niMic

So... Zuffa, parent company of the UFC, has purchased Strikeforce.

o.o

link? That's UFC taken over MMA altogether then. Can't wait to see who they transfer to the UFC

Ekeke · 12th March 2011, 19:33

Quote:

Zuffa LLC, owner and operator of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, has agreed in principle to purchase Strikeforce, essentially its lone remaining competitor in the mixed martial arts market, multiple sources with knowledge of the deal confirmed to ESPN.com.

UFC president Dana White told MMAFighting.com that Zuffa had purchased Strikeforce.

An announcement could come as soon as Monday.

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Negotiations have been months in the making between representatives for Zuffa and Silicon Valley Sports & Entertainment, which also runs the NHL's San Jose Sharks, various parties familiar with the deal said.

Silicon Valley in 2008 had agreed to a partnership with Strikeforce's parent company, West Coast Entertainment, a San Jose-based promotion created by Scott Coker in 1985.

It's unclear the extent to which Coker, the current Strikeforce CEO, played in the negotiations. Coker did not respond ESPN.com's requests for comment.

Ken Hershman, executive vice president and general manager of Showtime Sports, which has a long-term broadcasting deal with Strikeforce, declined through a representative to comment.

Should lead to more events with top fights if it goes through

niMic · 12th March 2011, 19:36

Zuffa Purchases Strikeforce -- MMA Fighting

They will be run as two separate companies, at least for the time being. So no fighters will be going over to the UFC, or to Strikeforce, except in cases where they already could (like when contracts expire). That said, I can definitely see a full merger within a couple of years.

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21st February 2011, 07:08	#4001 (permalink)
Ekeke First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 22,737	Fedor clipped him more, his looping swings barely ever hit clean. You can count 2 or 3 that were clean. And despite that, his clips only meant he had contact 28 times to Silva's 25 in terms of power punching. Silva landed straights, which are more powerful than looping punches. And a lot more of these were clean contact instead of clips with minimal damage. He landed more combinations (including a really nice flurry of 4 or 5 strikes at the end of the round that Fedor had no answer to) and cleaner, crisper strikes and only lost out if you go by counting each punch - which doesnt consider damage done or technique which both go to Silva You can base your entire argument around compustrike numbers if you want, but you'd be the one subscribing to point scoring instead of judging the fight on the actual aspects its supposed to be judged on. Silva pushed the action throughout the first round. He landed cleaner, crisper, strikes. He landed more combinations, he got 2 more takedowns and ended the round on top, and nothing Fedor tried had any affect whatsoever. Had he have landed clean on more than a couple of his power strikes while he was head hunting, sure that could have ended the fight quickly. But all he could manage were clips

25th February 2011, 17:42	#4002 (permalink)
Cheltenham Red Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Never argue with an idiot,they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience Posts: 3,084	[QUOTE=Ekeke;9330585] Silva landed straights, which are more powerful than looping punches. [QUOTE] If you mean jabs and crosses are more powerfull than hooks then you are wrong,if you mean wild haymakers then you may have a point.Clarify what you mean by a looping punches.

26th February 2011, 15:23	#4003 (permalink)
CassiusClaymore First Team Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Democratic Republic of Congo Posts: 10,398	Seriously guys? Fedor got smashed, plain and simple. I don't really understand the debate. Anyway, the UFC card tonight doesn't look particularly promising despite the best efforts of Rivera and Bisping to hype it up. I expect Fitch to grind out his usual 3 round points decision against BJ. I might watch the BAMMA card instead. Daley is always worth the price of admission (bit naughty for missing weight again) and I'm interested to see how Ricco Rodriguez looks these days. Surely he's too much for James McSweeney?

27th February 2011, 01:29	#4004 (permalink)
Randall Flagg Scarlett woman ( Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn ) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16,673	Predictions - Chris Camozzi vs. Kyle Noke - I know little about either. I will guess at Noke Chris Lytle vs. Brian Ebersole - Lytle George Sotiropoulos vs. Dennis Siver - Fight of the night contender. Sotiropoulos to win Michael Bisping vs. Jorge Rivera - Bisping by knockout B.J. Penn vs. Jon Fitch - Will be a better than everyone thinks. Fitch will win

27th February 2011, 01:42	#4005 (permalink)
Stobzilla Official Team Perv Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: West Ham (SM League) Posts: 7,189	Please. Fedor got clocked and then looked desperate and scared quite frankly. He tried finishing the fight with wild punches which when they connected, Silva took very well. I have been a fan of Fedor for a long time but he got schooled and didn't even look like he harmed Silva apart from a flash of brilliance when he got the lock in towards the end of the first.

27th February 2011, 03:10	#4006 (permalink)
ecantona7 First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Whatever happens, there are always things you could have done better. You score two goals and you usually feel you could have done better.You score two goals and you usually feel you could have scored a third. That's what makes you progress in life. Posts: 10,110	Fakuda got robbed.

27th February 2011, 07:04	#4007 (permalink)
Zen First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Prophetville! Posts: 6,380	UFC is so against Fitch because he's a pretty boring(but awesome) fighter. Absolutely robbed today.

27th February 2011, 14:13	#4009 (permalink)
Zen First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Prophetville! Posts: 6,380

27th February 2011, 14:39	#4010 (permalink)
Ekeke First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 22,737	Fitch should have won but BJ was honest enough to admit that.

27th February 2011, 14:47	#4011 (permalink)
Randall Flagg Scarlett woman ( Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn ) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16,673	Thought Fitch was awsome in that 3rd round. Really was relentless. Will Bisping be in a lot of trouble for spitting? Paul Daley got fired for post fight antics. What is considered worse?

28th February 2011, 12:04	#4014 (permalink)
Ekeke First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 22,737	I thought Bisping's antics were hilarious tbh. I must have missed the spit though, thats uncalled for. Sadly another win for Bisping which doesnt really mean anything. As I saw it he wins and nothing happens - unless he knocks Rivera out with one punch knockout power, if he loses he can forget about ever having that title shot he talks about. Typical Bisping win, combos and accumulative damage just about get the stoppage and he wins proving almost nothing. Was dissapointed G-Sot lost, but it shows a hole in his game he needs to work on if he wants to win the title. If he cant take the likes of Edgar and Maynard down once or twice he'd only lose those fights too as Maynard has more power and Edgar would outpoint him on his feet.

1st March 2011, 05:48	#4015 (permalink)
Raoul Administrator Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Budapest Posts: 39,784	Looking forward to Shogun v Jon Jones

1st March 2011, 15:14	#4016 (permalink)
Name Changed weso26 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dublin Posts: 21,013	Bisping is a fucking prick. He'll get hammered as soon as he fights a half decent fighter. Henderson showed that. His antics before and after fights really make his look like a joke. It's all well and good talking shite if you are able to back it up but he really can't, unless he is fighting very poor fighters. His after match comments about Matt Hamill said it all. Hamill clearly won that fight but Bisping wins a hometown decision, and then he decides to slag off Hamill. Arsehole.

4th March 2011, 12:04	#4022 (permalink)
CassiusClaymore First Team Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Democratic Republic of Congo Posts: 10,398	How can you not be a fan of Jon Jones? He's everything that's right about the sport. Saying that, I do find it odd that a lot of people are making Jones a favourite against the champion coming into this. I know Rua has been out for a while but he's on a different level to the guys that Jones has dispatched (admittedly with relative ease) so far. I might put some dosh down on Shogun for this one. Jones will be a champ one day for sure but this might be too much too soon.

4th March 2011, 12:25	#4023 (permalink)
ecantona7 First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Whatever happens, there are always things you could have done better. You score two goals and you usually feel you could have done better.You score two goals and you usually feel you could have scored a third. That's what makes you progress in life. Posts: 10,110	kapmann got robbed badly

4th March 2011, 12:36	#4024 (permalink)
Raoul Administrator Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Budapest Posts: 39,784	I gather Lyoto is fighting Randy Couture at UFC129. No information about when Rashad is fighting next. I thought he would be ideal for Shogun after his win over Rampage.

4th March 2011, 12:37	#4025 (permalink)
CassiusClaymore First Team Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Democratic Republic of Congo Posts: 10,398	Not seen it yet but seen a pic of Diegos face after the fight. Jesus Christ! HEY....YOUUUUUU....GUUUYS!!! Spoiler

4th March 2011, 12:40	#4027 (permalink)
Raoul Administrator Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Budapest Posts: 39,784	Ahh, ok. I didn't know Rashad got injured.

4th March 2011, 18:43	#4030 (permalink)
Ekeke First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 22,737	Sanchez won the 2nd by putting Kampmann on wobbly legs imo. The 3rd was very close but I just about had Sanchez. Great comeback from him and even though Kampmann is much the more skilled fighter, he's another who couldnt keep it up against Diego's pace and slowed down a lot as the fight wore on.

6th March 2011, 13:23	#4031 (permalink)
Nucks Cuckoo Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,168	I'm not sure who I had winning the BJ-Fitch fight. Round one was BJ. Round two was too close to call, but if I had a gun to my head I would have to take BJ. Round three was all Fitch but it wasn't 10-8. I'd score it 29-29 or if I absolutely had to pick a winner 29-28 BJ. Round two was difficult to score because while BJ was vastly superior striking, and took Fitch's back, he lost the position and left Fitch on top for too long. It comes down to what you value more I suppose. I felt the round was too close to call maybe leaning slightly towards BJ. I was pretty shocked at the decision though, with 2 Judges giving BJ two rounds and Fitch a 10-8 third.

6th March 2011, 13:30	#4032 (permalink)
Ekeke First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 22,737	How was it not a 10-8?

6th March 2011, 13:31	#4033 (permalink)
Ekeke First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 22,737	Also nice from Henderson last night. Explosive finish

6th March 2011, 14:25	#4035 (permalink)
Ekeke First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 22,737	The whole round was Fitch on top beating him up. After the fight that one round was enough for BJ to say "He kicked my ass" and think that he lost the fight. He outstruck him by 139 strikes. Thats a 10-8 or else they dont exist.

12th March 2011, 19:01	#4037 (permalink)
niMic may peace and blessings of God be upon me Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: And I'm all out of bubblegum. Posts: 10,781	So... Zuffa, parent company of the UFC, has purchased Strikeforce. o.o

12th March 2011, 19:36	#4040 (permalink)
niMic may peace and blessings of God be upon me Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: And I'm all out of bubblegum. Posts: 10,781	Zuffa Purchases Strikeforce -- MMA Fighting They will be run as two separate companies, at least for the time being. So no fighters will be going over to the UFC, or to Strikeforce, except in cases where they already could (like when contracts expire). That said, I can definitely see a full merger within a couple of years.