Nfl 2011-2012

Alex · 29th April 2011, 01:13

So finally a bit of business is going on in the NFL, Cam Newton is the number 1 pick.

Reckon things will snowball from here and we will get a full season out of it, maybe sans two preseason games.

Broncos get Von Miller, very nice.

Mighty Boosh · 29th April 2011, 01:43

Huge risk taking Newton at no.1

Falcons gave up a huge amount of picks to reach for Julio Jones

forevrared · 29th April 2011, 02:05

I know we gave up a ton but I am pretty pumped about Juuuullliiooooooooooooooooooo!

If he starts contributing early, we could easily have the best offense in the NFL by week 6.

ha_rooney · 29th April 2011, 02:24

Some guy has got drafted by the Lions & he doesn't look very happy about it.

I'm suprised Favre hasn't tried to make a comeback yet.

Chapster · 29th April 2011, 02:41

abit of reaching here

amazing amount given up by the falcons

#1, #2, #4 this year and #1 and #4 next year

Chapster · 29th April 2011, 03:15

some surprises in the picks... bowers is falling like a stone

Excal · 29th April 2011, 04:29

Surprised and pleased Carimi fell down to #29.

Chapster · 29th April 2011, 04:39

I'm surprised eagles went with Watkins. I'm guessing they are going to make an all out play for Nnamdi Asomugha

jveezy · 29th April 2011, 05:26

I like the 49ers pick, though I'm not sure it's at the best spot. Arizona taking Patrick Peterson screwed things up, though it shouldn't surprise me that the best player in the draft isn't going to last until 7.

ha_rooney · 30th April 2011, 00:30

Breaking News on the CNN website: "The 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals grants NFL's request to restore a lockout amid a labor dispute, court clerk says."

I take it this is not good news?

jveezy · 30th April 2011, 00:45

Fuckers had to do it before we could get a playbook to Kaepernick. Bastards!

gormless · 30th April 2011, 01:26

Pats lack of pass rush is really getting ridiculous now. Passed up on Bowers 3 times. Unbelievable. Especially when we picked a corner I've never even heard of. Could have got Amukamara if they wanted a corner.

KeyserSoze · 30th April 2011, 02:49

Nobody wanted to see a pass rusher more than me but Bowers really doesn’t seem like a scheme fit. He’s strictly a 4-3 end, surely? Not to mention the knee issues. They had their pick of the second tier of pass rush talent with the first pick of the second round though and chose to pass. Oakland has given away their second rounder next year to go with the first picked up from the Saints. Maybe they can trade them to get a pass rusher in 2028.

On second thought, maybe Ryan Mallett can come off the edge on third downs.

mjs020294 · 30th April 2011, 05:46

Bowers is good value where the Bucs took him. Lots of talent but a risk because of his knee. Really love how the Bucs have draft the last couple of years. First two picks last year DT, first two this year DE. With the young offensive players they already have the future is looking vey bright.

Neutral · 30th April 2011, 06:25

Happy with how the draft has gone for the Skins so far...For once we actually held on to our picks!

No more giving away a fortune to trade for duds/overrated 'stars'.

Chapster · 30th April 2011, 13:06

BTV - who do you follow again?

gorm - Prince is more a cover corner isn't he? Pats usually go for the all around guys not just the cover guys.. Still surprised he fell as far as he did but people consider he doesn't have 'elite hands'.

Buccs did really well with the draft I think. Bowers in rd 3 is fantastic.

I'm not particularly happy with the eagles picks, as I hadn't read too much on it, but after reading the 'scouting' reports seems like they were pretty solid picks and not necessarily reaches

gormless · 30th April 2011, 14:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapster

BTV - who do you follow again?

gorm - Prince is more a cover corner isn't he? Pats usually go for the all around guys not just the cover guys.. Still surprised he fell as far as he did but people consider he doesn't have 'elite hands'.

Buccs did really well with the draft I think. Bowers in rd 3 is fantastic.

I'm not particularly happy with the eagles picks, as I hadn't read too much on it, but after reading the 'scouting' reports seems like they were pretty solid picks and not necessarily reaches

I haven't seen much of Amukamara to be honest, but from the little I have (highlights online, and "experts" opinions) he looks like he could do a job for the pats. Couldn't have done any worse than Butler did last year anyway. I'm just quite pissed that we missed out on 2 years of Richard Seymour for a tackle who may not even start next year. Seymour could have made the difference against the jets. Sanchez had so much time to throw. Was sure we were getting a pass rusher, and possibly Ingram as well.

Neutral · 30th April 2011, 14:34

Chapster - the once mighty, now richer than ever, completely inept and hapless

Washington Redskins

Chapster · 30th April 2011, 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by gormless

I haven't seen much of Amukamara to be honest, but from the little I have (highlights online, and "experts" opinions) he looks like he could do a job for the pats. Couldn't have done any worse than Butler did last year anyway. I'm just quite pissed that we missed out on 2 years of Richard Seymour for a tackle who may not even start next year. Seymour could have made the difference against the jets. Sanchez had so much time to throw. Was sure we were getting a pass rusher, and possibly Ingram as well.

you have to protect brady. Isn't Light off contract? Mankins held out last yr... O-line was a big need. The only thing that stopped you from beating hte jets last year was a ridiculously good game played by the Jets secondary that game.
Brady had eons in the pocket but couldn't find an open receiver. Never seen anything like it.

How old is Wilfork btw? still some good seasons in him?

Chapster · 30th April 2011, 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by BTV_is_neutral

Chapster - the once mighty, now richer than ever, completely inept and hapless

Washington Redskins

oh bugger I just re-read your post above and it said Skins.

amazed you guys didn't go QB at any stage this draft. Maybe you'll make a play for Palmer, can't see the eagles giving up Kolb to you guys.

Or maybe you'll hang onto McNabb with that ridiculous contract he signed last yr?

gbgary · 30th April 2011, 22:59

maybe the skins will make an offer for palmer.

my Packers did well i think. more beef up front to take care of rodgers, more weapons on offense and a little more depth.

Chapster · 30th April 2011, 23:33

yeah packers had a good draft.

Why are there only 30 actual picks in rd 7?
I remember Detroit lost theirs for something or other but they got it back on appeal?

who lost picks?

gormless · 30th April 2011, 23:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapster

you have to protect brady. Isn't Light off contract? Mankins held out last yr... O-line was a big need. The only thing that stopped you from beating hte jets last year was a ridiculously good game played by the Jets secondary that game.
Brady had eons in the pocket but couldn't find an open receiver. Never seen anything like it.

How old is Wilfork btw? still some good seasons in him?

Yeah, they were coverage sacks, I remember one time when he stood in the pocket for a good 7 or 8 seconds then just had to throw it away. No deep threat hurt us there. Tate doesn't count. In the regular season game, Brady just picked on Cromartie and stayed away from Revis, but in the playoffs, Cromartie played very well as well and Brady had nowhere to really go. And Wilfork is coming up 30 I think, but he's got a few good seasons in him. If Wright (last years leader in sacks for the Pats) comes back from his concussion, then Wilfork might end up at DE, he did alright there at times last year.

Edit: I think Light will be back, he doesn't seem to want to leave. Though talking of O-line men: Marcus Cannon was picked by the pats in 5th round. Has cancer and if it wasn't for that rumour is Bears would have taken him in the first. Suggests he'll be quite good once he's finished his treatment

Chapster · 30th April 2011, 23:56

yeah seems like a good risk/reward pick. Like Bowers for the buccs. Top 5 prospect but for a potentially dodgy knee.

Strange picks by the eagles, especially that last one. I know Weaver coming back from an ACL but a fullback that doesn't enjoy lead blocking or seek contact?!?

Alex · 30th April 2011, 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by BTV_is_neutral

Happy with how the draft has gone for the Skins so far...For once we actually held on to our picks!

No more giving away a fortune to trade for duds/overrated 'stars'.

The lockout has helped in preventing Sneider from going out and doing stupid things, next year will probably be the best year for the Skins since he has been there, maybe.

forevrared · 1st May 2011, 03:44

Scratching my head over the punter the Falcons took in round 6.

He was apparently a kicker there as well so that's the only thing I can make of it, considering we have an awesome punter already in Michael Koenan and 2 years ago set a record for least amount of punt return yards allowed (<100 all season).

Really like the look of Jacquizz Rodgers in round 5, although his parents were morons for naming him that. He had over 50 TD's in college in a pretty solid conference.

Neutral · 1st May 2011, 03:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapster

oh bugger I just re-read your post above and it said Skins.

amazed you guys didn't go QB at any stage this draft. Maybe you'll make a play for Palmer, can't see the eagles giving up Kolb to you guys.

Or maybe you'll hang onto McNabb with that ridiculous contract he signed last yr?

McNabb won't be there to take the 1st snap of the season for the Skins, whenever that is.

He'll be gone, without doubt.

Chapster · 1st May 2011, 07:59

YEah i didn't think so re: McNabb...

some say a deal with the vikings was on but I cant see Ponder not starting with the Vikings reaching as they did

GloryHunter07 · 2nd May 2011, 21:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapster

I'm surprised eagles went with Watkins. I'm guessing they are going to make an all out play for Nnamdi Asomugha

Im praying we do everything we can to keep Nnamdi, we didnt use up cap space on a first round pick this year so should have the room.

Also could do with keeping Bush and Miller.

jveezy · 2nd May 2011, 21:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryHunter07

Im praying we do everything we can to keep Nnamdi, we didnt use up cap space on a first round pick this year so should have the room.

Also could do with keeping Bush and Miller.

Hopefully we get first shot at Nnamdi if you guys screw it up.

Chapster · 17th May 2011, 03:17

Circuit of 8 hints that the players will lose the appeal on the lockout injunction....

but mediated talks continued today...

most peope don't expect a full season anymore

Excal · 17th May 2011, 22:03

Great article on Deadpsin, "The Bizarre Cult of Pro-Owner NFL Fanboys"

Quote:

No success is ever entirely self-made. Billionaires don't just crawl out of a fucking swamp and then work 23-hour days until they're filthy rich and deserving of every penny. There are a million factors that go into the making of a successful person, and hard work is merely one of them. There's an element of luck. There's certainly an element of breeding. There's an element of good timing, of catching the wave at the precise right moment. All of those things factor in, not to mention the millions upon millions of tax dollars used to subsidize the stadiums many of these fine gentlemen happen to now own. But these pro-owner people seem to believe that NFL owners are fucking magical money unicorns that came out of a glowing cistern on a mountaintop, and they have carte blanche to strongarm people accordingly.

De Selby · 18th May 2011, 01:42

I was reading that the NFL might miss its first 3-5 games, thus leading to a truncated season.

Can they not just start the season when all the financial guff is sorted out, play the full 16 games then finish in March or whenever?

Chapster · 18th May 2011, 02:05

it would have flow on effects for future seasons if it ended in March, adequate rest/recovery, etc

De Selby · 18th May 2011, 14:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chapster

it would have flow on effects for future seasons if it ended in March, adequate rest/recovery, etc

Yeah, but teams get 6/7 months off between seasons as it is. Hypothetically speaking, if the season finished in March this year the players would still get at least 5 months off (barring pre-season training) before the start of the next one.

Would that not be adequate recovery time?

Chapster · 19th May 2011, 16:39

you'd think so! my thoughts are it'd be somewhat TV driven,..

Chapster · 15th June 2011, 14:05

Freeman: 80-85% Of NFL's CBA Deal Is Done - Bleeding Green Nation

some good news today re: lock out. IT seems like relations are thawing between the NFLPA and the NFL itself, so we may see a deal done sooner rather than later. Importantly Shaun O'Hara has been telling his teammates to be ready to attend camp mid July. Shaun O'Hara (from my reading this offseason) seems to be a prominent rep of the players during the negotiating process

Chapster · 17th June 2011, 22:26

Analysis: Which Owners Are Resisting Possible Deal To End Lockout? - Bleeding Green Nation

seems like some owners are still holding out for the original reasons... to me it would be practical for some of the richer teams to subsidise some of the poorer ones some how to get this deal done, but we'll never see that happen

De Selby · 28th July 2011, 14:07

Surprised this thread hasn't been bumped after the lockout came to an end.

As expected, plenty of activity:
Asomugha to Jets/Texans?
Reggie Bush on the verge of going to Miami.
Haynesworth to the Patriots. (What the fuck!?)
Sidney Rice to the Seahawks. Nice move by Seattle...shame they don't have anyone to throw the ball to him.

And a bunch of other shit too.

Neutral · 28th July 2011, 14:21

Skins so far

Donte Stallworth - if he is fit, and knuckles down, it could work.
Jabar Gaffney - again veteran guy, had a good season last year, hopefully will contribute
Brandon Stokley - ummm more wide receivers?
Josh Wilson - need a CB, so why not?
Kellen Clemens - Beck as starter, so he Clemens can do what he's done all his career, walk around with a clipboard.
Bo Cofield - pretty happy with this signing, can play a couple of positions.

13 wide receivers on the roster at the moment.

Outgoings

McNabb - Never should have signed him in the 1st place, not sad to see him go at all.

Haynesworth - Same story, petulant fuck, pocketed $50mil+ for doing nothing at all, ahh front office and not giving a damn about money. My only regret is, he'll now knuckle down, and be a success for the Pats, on the cheap

29th April 2011, 01:13	#1 (permalink)
Alex Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ____ Posts: 42,275	Nfl 2011-2012 So finally a bit of business is going on in the NFL, Cam Newton is the number 1 pick. Reckon things will snowball from here and we will get a full season out of it, maybe sans two preseason games. Broncos get Von Miller, very nice.

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29th April 2011, 01:43	#2 (permalink)
Mighty Boosh Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: If he was an inch taller he’d be the best centre half in Britain. His father is 6ft 2in - I’d check the milkman Sir Alex on Gary Neville Posts: 850	Huge risk taking Newton at no.1 Falcons gave up a huge amount of picks to reach for Julio Jones

29th April 2011, 02:05	#3 (permalink)
forevrared Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,973	I know we gave up a ton but I am pretty pumped about Juuuullliiooooooooooooooooooo! If he starts contributing early, we could easily have the best offense in the NFL by week 6.

29th April 2011, 02:24	#4 (permalink)
ha_rooney First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10,106	Some guy has got drafted by the Lions & he doesn't look very happy about it. I'm suprised Favre hasn't tried to make a comeback yet.

29th April 2011, 02:41	#5 (permalink)
Chapster Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,229	abit of reaching here amazing amount given up by the falcons #1, #2, #4 this year and #1 and #4 next year

29th April 2011, 03:15	#6 (permalink)
Chapster Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,229	some surprises in the picks... bowers is falling like a stone

29th April 2011, 04:29	#7 (permalink)
Excal Chica Time! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: California in RL, Liverpool in SM Posts: 7,965	Surprised and pleased Carimi fell down to #29.

29th April 2011, 04:39	#8 (permalink)
Chapster Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,229	I'm surprised eagles went with Watkins. I'm guessing they are going to make an all out play for Nnamdi Asomugha

29th April 2011, 05:26	#9 (permalink)
jveezy Coach Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Rancho Cordova, California, USA Posts: 14,268	I like the 49ers pick, though I'm not sure it's at the best spot. Arizona taking Patrick Peterson screwed things up, though it shouldn't surprise me that the best player in the draft isn't going to last until 7.

30th April 2011, 00:30	#10 (permalink)
ha_rooney First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10,106	Breaking News on the CNN website: "The 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals grants NFL's request to restore a lockout amid a labor dispute, court clerk says." I take it this is not good news?

30th April 2011, 00:45	#11 (permalink)
jveezy Coach Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Rancho Cordova, California, USA Posts: 14,268	Fuckers had to do it before we could get a playbook to Kaepernick. Bastards!

30th April 2011, 01:26	#12 (permalink)
gormless Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: comfortable and settled in my rut Posts: 3,278	Pats lack of pass rush is really getting ridiculous now. Passed up on Bowers 3 times. Unbelievable. Especially when we picked a corner I've never even heard of. Could have got Amukamara if they wanted a corner.

30th April 2011, 02:49	#13 (permalink)
KeyserSoze Batigol > Bauer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Batigol Posts: 9,091	Nobody wanted to see a pass rusher more than me but Bowers really doesn’t seem like a scheme fit. He’s strictly a 4-3 end, surely? Not to mention the knee issues. They had their pick of the second tier of pass rush talent with the first pick of the second round though and chose to pass. Oakland has given away their second rounder next year to go with the first picked up from the Saints. Maybe they can trade them to get a pass rusher in 2028. On second thought, maybe Ryan Mallett can come off the edge on third downs.

30th April 2011, 05:46	#14 (permalink)
mjs020294 First Team Regular Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ex-Pat in Florida Posts: 14,985	Bowers is good value where the Bucs took him. Lots of talent but a risk because of his knee. Really love how the Bucs have draft the last couple of years. First two picks last year DT, first two this year DE. With the young offensive players they already have the future is looking vey bright.

30th April 2011, 06:25	#15 (permalink)
Neutral BTV Join Date: May 2010 Location: DC/Canberra/Dhaka Posts: 6,447	Happy with how the draft has gone for the Skins so far...For once we actually held on to our picks! No more giving away a fortune to trade for duds/overrated 'stars'.

30th April 2011, 13:06	#16 (permalink)
Chapster Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,229	BTV - who do you follow again? gorm - Prince is more a cover corner isn't he? Pats usually go for the all around guys not just the cover guys.. Still surprised he fell as far as he did but people consider he doesn't have 'elite hands'. Buccs did really well with the draft I think. Bowers in rd 3 is fantastic. I'm not particularly happy with the eagles picks, as I hadn't read too much on it, but after reading the 'scouting' reports seems like they were pretty solid picks and not necessarily reaches

30th April 2011, 14:34	#18 (permalink)
Neutral BTV Join Date: May 2010 Location: DC/Canberra/Dhaka Posts: 6,447	Chapster - the once mighty, now richer than ever, completely inept and hapless Washington Redskins

30th April 2011, 22:59	#21 (permalink)
gbgary First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: dallas Posts: 8,067	maybe the skins will make an offer for palmer. my Packers did well i think. more beef up front to take care of rodgers, more weapons on offense and a little more depth.

30th April 2011, 23:33	#22 (permalink)
Chapster Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,229	yeah packers had a good draft. Why are there only 30 actual picks in rd 7? I remember Detroit lost theirs for something or other but they got it back on appeal? who lost picks?

30th April 2011, 23:56	#24 (permalink)
Chapster Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,229	yeah seems like a good risk/reward pick. Like Bowers for the buccs. Top 5 prospect but for a potentially dodgy knee. Strange picks by the eagles, especially that last one. I know Weaver coming back from an ACL but a fullback that doesn't enjoy lead blocking or seek contact?!?

1st May 2011, 03:44	#26 (permalink)
forevrared Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,973	Scratching my head over the punter the Falcons took in round 6. He was apparently a kicker there as well so that's the only thing I can make of it, considering we have an awesome punter already in Michael Koenan and 2 years ago set a record for least amount of punt return yards allowed (<100 all season). Really like the look of Jacquizz Rodgers in round 5, although his parents were morons for naming him that. He had over 50 TD's in college in a pretty solid conference.

1st May 2011, 07:59	#28 (permalink)
Chapster Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,229	YEah i didn't think so re: McNabb... some say a deal with the vikings was on but I cant see Ponder not starting with the Vikings reaching as they did

17th May 2011, 03:17	#31 (permalink)
Chapster Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,229	Circuit of 8 hints that the players will lose the appeal on the lockout injunction.... but mediated talks continued today... most peope don't expect a full season anymore

18th May 2011, 01:42	#33 (permalink)
De Selby Likes them tattooed and bald Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Look at that fucker Dance. Posts: 4,700	I was reading that the NFL might miss its first 3-5 games, thus leading to a truncated season. Can they not just start the season when all the financial guff is sorted out, play the full 16 games then finish in March or whenever?

18th May 2011, 02:05	#34 (permalink)
Chapster Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,229	it would have flow on effects for future seasons if it ended in March, adequate rest/recovery, etc

19th May 2011, 16:39	#36 (permalink)
Chapster Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,229	you'd think so! my thoughts are it'd be somewhat TV driven,..

15th June 2011, 14:05	#37 (permalink)
Chapster Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,229	Freeman: 80-85% Of NFL's CBA Deal Is Done - Bleeding Green Nation some good news today re: lock out. IT seems like relations are thawing between the NFLPA and the NFL itself, so we may see a deal done sooner rather than later. Importantly Shaun O'Hara has been telling his teammates to be ready to attend camp mid July. Shaun O'Hara (from my reading this offseason) seems to be a prominent rep of the players during the negotiating process

17th June 2011, 22:26	#38 (permalink)
Chapster Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,229	Analysis: Which Owners Are Resisting Possible Deal To End Lockout? - Bleeding Green Nation seems like some owners are still holding out for the original reasons... to me it would be practical for some of the richer teams to subsidise some of the poorer ones some how to get this deal done, but we'll never see that happen

28th July 2011, 14:07	#39 (permalink)
De Selby Likes them tattooed and bald Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Look at that fucker Dance. Posts: 4,700	Surprised this thread hasn't been bumped after the lockout came to an end. As expected, plenty of activity: Asomugha to Jets/Texans? Reggie Bush on the verge of going to Miami. Haynesworth to the Patriots. (What the fuck!?) Sidney Rice to the Seahawks. Nice move by Seattle...shame they don't have anyone to throw the ball to him. And a bunch of other shit too.

28th July 2011, 14:21	#40 (permalink)
Neutral BTV Join Date: May 2010 Location: DC/Canberra/Dhaka Posts: 6,447	Skins so far Donte Stallworth - if he is fit, and knuckles down, it could work. Jabar Gaffney - again veteran guy, had a good season last year, hopefully will contribute Brandon Stokley - ummm more wide receivers? Josh Wilson - need a CB, so why not? Kellen Clemens - Beck as starter, so he Clemens can do what he's done all his career, walk around with a clipboard. Bo Cofield - pretty happy with this signing, can play a couple of positions. 13 wide receivers on the roster at the moment. Outgoings McNabb - Never should have signed him in the 1st place, not sad to see him go at all. Haynesworth - Same story, petulant fuck, pocketed $50mil+ for doing nothing at all, ahh front office and not giving a damn about money. My only regret is, he'll now knuckle down, and be a success for the Pats, on the cheap