PacMan vs Hatton

Pat_Mustard · 4th May 2009, 13:17

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Originally Posted by Fearless

What a national humiliation.

Never mind Ricky - why don't you boast on how mant pints you can drink.

You're a tit. What were expecting to see? He was hardly going to morph into a Pernell Whitaker clone at this stage of his career. He's had a great career despite his defensive limitations, he's been at the top of his weight-class for years, beaten some great fighters, and he's only ever been beaten by two all-time greats. If that's a national humiliation by your standards, I'd love to hear what you've achieved in your illustrious sporting career. Its just time for him to retire. He wouldn't have beaten this version of Pacquaio at any stage of his career, but his chin has been cracked for a few years now. He's went from taking bombs against Tszyu without blinking to getting rocked by a light puncher like Lazcano.

mr.suave · 4th May 2009, 14:59

Manny was electric, no doubt about it, but Hatton looks physically gone.

He's always been easy to hit, but his chin, while nothing amazing, has usually been reliable. Now he has no punch resistance whatsoever, it's crazy. Like you said Pat, he's gone from being able to walk through Tszyu's right hand to getting rocked by the likes of Lazcano and Collazo, all in a matter of 3/4 years. His lifestyle out of the ring probably deserves a lot of the blame, but I think the Tszyu fight took a fair bit out of him, too.

The punch that KO'd Hatton would probably have done the same to any fighter under 147lbs... look at the shape of Pac's body when he throws it and the sound it makes when it lands. It landed flush on the chin, as Ricky was coming forward, and he didn't see it coming... the Hatton of 2005 would've got dropped just as easily if he got caught like that, but no way would he have gone down from those two in the first round.

Pat_Mustard · 4th May 2009, 15:10

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Originally Posted by mr.suave

Manny was electric, no doubt about it, but Hatton looks physically gone.

He's always been easy to hit, but his chin, while nothing amazing, has usually been reliable. Now he has no punch resistance whatsoever, it's crazy. Like you said Pat, he's gone from being able to walk through Tszyu's right hand to getting rocked by the likes of Lazcano and Collazo, all in a matter of 3/4 years. His lifestyle out of the ring probably deserves a lot of the blame, but I think the Tszyu fight took a fair bit out of him, too.

The punch that KO'd Hatton would probably have done the same to any fighter under 147lbs... look at the shape of Pac's body when he throws it and the sound it makes when it lands. It landed flush on the chin, as Ricky was coming forward, and he didn't see it coming... the Hatton of 2005 would've got dropped just as easily if he got caught like that, but no way would he have gone down from those two in the first round.

Totally agree. Something similar happened to Fernando Vargas after the Trinidad fight - alot of fighters just seem to lose something physically after going through a war like that. I hope he just retires now rather than risk another life-threatening KO, but I imagine he'll want to go out on a high, probably in England against a big-name domestic opponent. Problem is even Amir Khan or Junior Witter look like very risky fights for him now.

Spoony Youngblood · 4th May 2009, 15:11

Fearless is a cock.

mr.suave · 4th May 2009, 15:39

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Originally Posted by Pat_Mustard

Totally agree. Something similar happened to Fernando Vargas after the Trinidad fight - alot of fighters just seem to lose something physically after going through a war like that. I hope he just retires now rather than risk another life-threatening KO, but I imagine he'll want to go out on a high, probably in England against a big-name domestic opponent. Problem is even Amir Khan or Junior Witter look like very risky fights for him now.

Yeah I agree with the Vargas point, good comparison.

A week ago, I'd have said that Hatton would beat Witter convincingly and that Khan wouldn't get out the first round alive but now I'm not so sure. I see the Khan fight as a very real possibility, and with his speed and improving defence under Roach, he could cause Hatton some serious problems.

gaffs · 4th May 2009, 15:41

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Originally Posted by mr.suave

Why not?

If Hatton decides against retirement this would be by far the most lucrative option available. Both of them would fancy their chances and the fight would be a huge event in the UK.

Freddie Roach talked about the possibility of this fight happening about a week ago, predicting that Pac would knock Hatton out and that a Khan fight might make sense if/when that happens (which obviously it did last night).

I don't think it's all that unlikely... especially if Khan loses to Kotelnik, which'll limit the options available to him.

Apart from money, which he has enough of, there is nothing in it for Hatton.

If we wins, people will say that it was expected and that Khan is not a natural light welter. If he looses, then he will look like a fool.

Plus, it wouldn’t be a HBO PPV, so it wouldn’t be all that lucrative.

Rooney1987 · 4th May 2009, 15:45

I might be wrong in all this but hasn't Hatton still got a 3 fight contract with HBO and Golden boy. I'm sure he sign it before the Malignaggi fight that would give him one more fight or retire.

gaffs · 4th May 2009, 15:53

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Originally Posted by Rooney1987

I might be wrong in all this but hasn't Hatton still got a 3 fight contract with HBO and Golden boy. I'm sure he sign it before the Malignaggi fight that would give him one more fight or retire.

I don think that means that he has to fight again - he was talking about retiting after the Pacquaio fight anyway.

If he did fight again, it would be that appeals to an American audience and i dont see many out there for Ricky now.

mr.suave · 4th May 2009, 16:03

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Originally Posted by gaffs

Apart from money, which he has enough of, there is nothing in it for Hatton.

If we wins, people will say that it was expected and that Khan is not a natural light welter. If he looses, then he will look like a fool.

Plus, it wouldn’t be a HBO PPV, so it wouldn’t be all that lucrative.

Decent points made but I just can't see Hatton retiring on the back of a defeat. He'll want to give his fans one last something to cheer about I reckon. The logical decision would be for him to retire (which he should, he's got nothing left to prove), but I just can't see him actually making the right choice here... could be wrong, mind, and I hope I am.

Him and Amir Khan are comfortably the two most high profile boxers in the UK. The mainstream interest in this fight would be huge, meaning a ridiculous amount of PPV purchases (over here at least) and Wembley packed to the rafters. Surely you'd have to say that's a pretty lucrative option?

poisson · 4th May 2009, 16:47

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Originally Posted by CLK_FPC

I hate shit like this. What exactly is funny. If you saw the fight you would have seen a man seriously hurt. Did you laugh when you saw Eduardo break his leg?
It takes more balls and courage to box than most things unlike football once you step between those ropes you're in there by yourself not 10 other men. He got smashed but lets not laugh thats a bit classless

Shut the fuck up.

I'll laugh at whoever the fuck I want to laugh at. The fact that hatton went down quicker than a bangkok whore, twice in 1 round, yes, I found that funny.

and what has eduardo got to do with this?

Leg-End · 4th May 2009, 17:04

He could have been seriously hurt, I think the point he is making is did you laugh when you saw Eduardo with his leg in two bits, because Hatton could have been permanently damaged after that, no-one knows until they have been checked out.

Adzzz · 4th May 2009, 19:51

Hatton with his arms ********ly removed would still fuck Khan up, madness to suggest such a fight. Fuck I'd fancy myself again Khan with enough bevvies down myself, or with some sort of mechanical device which can discharge some sort of ball, perhaps with a spring-trigger mechanism and some sort of explosive powder. But thats just fantasy.

gaffs · 5th May 2009, 09:39

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Originally Posted by mr.suave

Decent points made but I just can't see Hatton retiring on the back of a defeat. He'll want to give his fans one last something to cheer about I reckon. The logical decision would be for him to retire (which he should, he's got nothing left to prove), but I just can't see him actually making the right choice here... could be wrong, mind, and I hope I am.

Him and Amir Khan are comfortably the two most high profile boxers in the UK. The mainstream interest in this fight would be huge, meaning a ridiculous amount of PPV purchases (over here at least) and Wembley packed to the rafters. Surely you'd have to say that's a pretty lucrative option?

I agree that he may have one more fight in England as a thank you to his fans. Just not sure it will be against Khan - i think the will go for a fight that he and his team know that he will win. Loosing to Khan would be a terrible way to finish his career.

Saying that, if Hatton didnt leave his brain outside the ring, like he did on saturday, he should beat Khan.

cw1984 · 5th May 2009, 10:17

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Originally Posted by poisson

Shut the fuck up.

I'll laugh at whoever the fuck I want to laugh at. The fact that hatton went down quicker than a bangkok whore, twice in 1 round, yes, I found that funny.

and what has eduardo got to do with this?

Idiot.

cw1984 · 5th May 2009, 10:21

Whilst Hatton v Khan would be a great prospect there's not a chance Khan will be risked against someone as dangerous as Hatton, not after what happened during the Prescott fight.

That's the great thing about Hatton that i will always admire, twice he's fought the best that there is available. Twice he's taken on the current best pound for pound fighter around, and it's because he's got bottle.

No-one can accuse Hatton of being afraid of the best and for "picking" his fighters at the right/wrong time, depending how you look at it.

cw1984 · 5th May 2009, 10:24

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Originally Posted by KingLaw

Nice to know I predicted this right! Hatton didn't have a chance. PacMan is just immense.

I dont think anyone apart from hardcore Hatton fans could see anything but a PacMan win. He was the huge favourite with the bookies.

cw1984 · 5th May 2009, 10:27

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Originally Posted by mr.suave

I don't think it's all that unlikely... especially if Khan loses to Kotelnik, which'll limit the options available to him.

That's the only way it could happen imo. But i expect Khan to beat Kotelnik so there's no way of a Hatton v Kahn fight.

poisson · 5th May 2009, 10:51

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Originally Posted by cw1984

Idiot.

ok then.

darko · 5th May 2009, 12:38

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Originally Posted by Leg-End

He could have been seriously hurt, I think the point he is making is did you laugh when you saw Eduardo with his leg in two bits, because Hatton could have been permanently damaged after that, no-one knows until they have been checked out.

The first reaction I had was wow what a punch. But, then when they showed a close up of Hatton I had one of those sick feelings you get when something horrible happens. I was glad to see him walk out of the ring.

FranklyVulgar · 5th May 2009, 14:07

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Originally Posted by darko

The first reaction I had was wow what a punch. But, then when they showed a close up of Hatton I had one of those sick feelings you get when something horrible happens. I was glad to see him walk out of the ring.

I felt the same way, when i saw how out of it he looked laying on the canvas i worried about it because it really was a cracking hit and he totally walked into it. He should walk away from boxing now he really can't improve his reputation any more and to have only been beaten twice and by two world class fighters who will go down as legends of the sport is something to be remarkably proud of.

CLK_FPC · 5th May 2009, 16:04

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Originally Posted by poisson

Shut the fuck up.

I'll laugh at whoever the fuck I want to laugh at. The fact that hatton went down quicker than a bangkok whore, twice in 1 round, yes, I found that funny.

and what has eduardo got to do with this?

you're well hard!
its rather classless to find such a thing funny especially as devestating as the knock out was. Would you have the balls to get in the ring let alone get into the ring to face such a fighter? I don't think so but it's ok to be a pussy at home and laugh at other people that do!
He went down 'quicker than a bangkok whore' but got paid more to do that than you will ever see so it cant have been that bad.

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4th May 2009, 14:59	#122 (permalink)
mr.suave Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Seoul via Manchester Posts: 1,653	Manny was electric, no doubt about it, but Hatton looks physically gone. He's always been easy to hit, but his chin, while nothing amazing, has usually been reliable. Now he has no punch resistance whatsoever, it's crazy. Like you said Pat, he's gone from being able to walk through Tszyu's right hand to getting rocked by the likes of Lazcano and Collazo, all in a matter of 3/4 years. His lifestyle out of the ring probably deserves a lot of the blame, but I think the Tszyu fight took a fair bit out of him, too. The punch that KO'd Hatton would probably have done the same to any fighter under 147lbs... look at the shape of Pac's body when he throws it and the sound it makes when it lands. It landed flush on the chin, as Ricky was coming forward, and he didn't see it coming... the Hatton of 2005 would've got dropped just as easily if he got caught like that, but no way would he have gone down from those two in the first round.

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Spoony Youngblood Wants to be more like Top Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: RIP Sydney Youngblood, who died in a tragic go-karting accident in 2007. RIP my cat 2001-09. iRIP Steve Cunting Jobs Posts: 42,368	Fearless is a cock.

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Rooney1987 Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bradford Posts: 4,456	I might be wrong in all this but hasn't Hatton still got a 3 fight contract with HBO and Golden boy. I'm sure he sign it before the Malignaggi fight that would give him one more fight or retire.

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Leg-End First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: "SAF - you're an old dick - but I respect you." Posts: 8,770	He could have been seriously hurt, I think the point he is making is did you laugh when you saw Eduardo with his leg in two bits, because Hatton could have been permanently damaged after that, no-one knows until they have been checked out.

4th May 2009, 19:51	#132 (permalink)
Adzzz Astrophysical Genius Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Don't Put My Swag on a Pedestal, I'll leave you like Owen Hargreaves at a Medical, passing me ain't credible Posts: 21,954	Hatton with his arms ********ly removed would still fuck Khan up, madness to suggest such a fight. Fuck I'd fancy myself again Khan with enough bevvies down myself, or with some sort of mechanical device which can discharge some sort of ball, perhaps with a spring-trigger mechanism and some sort of explosive powder. But thats just fantasy.

5th May 2009, 10:21	#135 (permalink)
cw1984 Compulsive wanker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Guiding Cardiff to the promised land just so I can wipe that smug fucking grin of Cider's face. Posts: 23,977	Whilst Hatton v Khan would be a great prospect there's not a chance Khan will be risked against someone as dangerous as Hatton, not after what happened during the Prescott fight. That's the great thing about Hatton that i will always admire, twice he's fought the best that there is available. Twice he's taken on the current best pound for pound fighter around, and it's because he's got bottle. No-one can accuse Hatton of being afraid of the best and for "picking" his fighters at the right/wrong time, depending how you look at it.