Bertie Ahern

bazalini · 1st April 2008, 16:41

You cann't fault him as a politician - has done excellent service to the country from the time he was a young Finance Minister to his recent job as Taiseach.

However standards need to be upheld and anyone lining their pockets with brown envelopes need to be removed from office. FF were quick to distance themselves from Lawler & Burker, looks like they are okay that their leader is okay as he was not dealing in the tens of millions that Lawler & Burker had at their disposal.

Shame on FF and shame on FF supporters for putting up with it.

KanieKane · 1st April 2008, 16:52

Bang on the nose Baz he was getting well paid and still got a some brownies in the back burner to boot the prick

bazalini · 1st April 2008, 16:58

It amazes me that FF can be in Government for 17 out of the last 20 years. Jobs for the Boys Big Style

Fitzjames · 1st April 2008, 19:38

I think the culture of the "dig out" is long standing. And if Bertie had come clean at the beginning without the half truths, it would have been better for him.
Actually his second in command BIFFO (Big Ignorant F***er from Offaly) Cowan is also damaged goods. He is Finance Minister and his brother is on latest list of tax dodgers.
I kinda like Bertie......met him a few times and he even bought me a coca cola once. I probably should declare that as a "gift" on a tax form..........anyway he talked a lot about United (my son was wearing a United top)..hes a genuine fan........and its well known fact all Manchester United fans are great people.
Ooops Id forgotten about Eamonn Holmes.

dRNk SAnTA · 1st April 2008, 23:39

I can't believe anyone would have any sympathy for bertie, talking about "dig-outs" when he has one of the best paid jobs in the country. He's been caught now, why is he still in power? What does it say about us?

Team Brian GB · 2nd April 2008, 02:06

We have the same issues this side of the Irish Sea regarding curruption, the question is though for both Dublin and London is how far deep and widespread is it?

bazalini · 2nd April 2008, 10:28

Shit hiting the fan over here.

Breaking News - BERTIE SET TO RESIGN IN NEXT 10-15 Mins.

Eyepopper · 2nd April 2008, 10:48

Good Riddance...

I have ti on good authority that they suspect he pocketed at LEAST 20million Baz, thats directly from one of the barristers to my brother...

Eyepopper · 2nd April 2008, 10:49

on TV right now.. he's going alright..

bazalini · 2nd April 2008, 11:00

Looked abit emotionally to start with.

Nice Guy, Good Politician but needed to take this action. Hope FF are fucked

bazalini · 2nd April 2008, 11:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eyepopper

Good Riddance...

I have ti on good authority that they suspect he pocketed at LEAST 20million Baz, thats directly from one of the barristers to my brother...

Fuck - I hope for teh Country its not near that

Eyepopper · 2nd April 2008, 11:02

If he hadnt resigned it would've made a cunt of the Irish political system.

He learned from the master but he wasnt as cute as oul Charlie!

Eyepopper · 2nd April 2008, 11:04

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Originally Posted by bazalini

Fuck - I hope for teh Country its not near that

From what I've heard thats what they suspect him of but if anyone knows how to hide it it'd be an accountant... I was shocked when I heard but the more you think about it, Look at what Charlie took..

Decotron · 2nd April 2008, 11:18

Best of luck to him. Im sure when it all comes out in the wash he wont be found guilty of anything seriously incriminating. Helped bring peace to our little island and deserves alot of credit. For that alone I say Thanks Bertie!

bazalini · 2nd April 2008, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decotron

Best of luck to him. Im sure when it all comes out in the wash he wont be found guilty of anything seriously incriminating. Helped bring peace to our little island and deserves alot of credit. For that alone I say Thanks Bertie!

Come from a Long FG Family who have never voted once Voted FF. But have come close to siding with Bertie on many an occasion. His role along with many many others was immense.

Good Luck to him. I think it will be hard for him to come out of this clean in the long run.

I hope FF self implodes now

dRNk SAnTA · 2nd April 2008, 11:30

I don't believe it! Well, he had to go.

I agree that if he had stayed it would've insulted the political system. Who do you reckon will replace him? I think it has to be biffo, who I like despite his severe case of uglyness.

Eyepopper · 2nd April 2008, 11:41

How long til an election then?

Fitzjames · 2nd April 2008, 14:48

Alas poor Bertie......

Last election was in May 2007 so none need take place for a few years, unless FF coalition partners, the Greens and the Pee Dees pull the plug on FF and support FG in a vote of confidence which FF could lose.

Whoever gets the job (Biffo Cowan) will rely on the fact that this is the government for which the people voted which is convincing (ie subtext is if we fought an election we would be crushed)
FG will say ......ah but its a false mandate based on the fact that the people believed Bertie last year and now hes "proved" to be a liar.
And thats convincing also.

So while FF and FG folks will be putting these arguments and finger pointing on Prime Time and in news bulletins tonight, its all a bit sterile as only the Greens and Pee Dees have really got the "power" to pull the plug.

Odd that the two premiers (Blair and Ahern) are scheduled to hand out the prizes at Queens University Belfast in July to the likes of yours truly and both are mired in sleaze......Blair cash for peerages and Ahern for cash for whatever.
Yet "Northern Ireland" will be writ large in their legacy and for that Im grateful and so (without realising it yet) are my two grandsons.

Yet I suppose the difference between Blair and Ahern is ......Iraq.

Decotron · 2nd April 2008, 16:09

My prediction is the v. sexy Mr Cowen for Taoiseach with John Gormley as Tanaiste (help reaffirm the coalition)

Wes · 2nd April 2008, 16:18

excellent public servant. ruined politically for months now, and had the good grace to go when he had to.

Don16 · 2nd April 2008, 18:18

He's a United fan. Thats my input.

Team Brian GB · 2nd April 2008, 22:40

What I find disconcerning is that politicians every where are coming out saying what a good man he was and that he will be missed, I am yet to see a significant comment saying that it is right he should go.

paddyf091 · 2nd April 2008, 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Brian GB

What I find disconcerning is that politicians every where are coming out saying what a good man he was and that he will be missed, I am yet to see a significant comment saying that it is right he should go.

To be fair though, as many in this thread have said, he led ireland very well when he wasn't lining his pockets. Politicians have to say he was a good man because he is denying any wrongdoing and is therefore innocent until proven guilty.

brophs · 3rd April 2008, 00:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eyepopper

Good Riddance...

I have ti on good authority that they suspect he pocketed at LEAST 20million Baz, thats directly from one of the barristers to my brother...

I can tell you, hand on heart, that a lot of the barristers are going around town saying things they shouldn't, and exaggerating the amounts etc for the sake of a good story. A lot of stories are doing the rounds etc, but it does seem as if there was a smoking gun lying in wait, and he chose to kump off before it got that far.

Livvie · 12th April 2008, 09:39

Let's hope it affects the sales of Cecelia Ahern's books. She has improved but her first one was dire, as was the film it spawned. I doubt it would have made it into print if she wasn't who she was.

But that's OT. Sorry.

I quite liked dear old Bertie tbh.

Ramshock · 5th May 2008, 07:19

Fuckin hell Cowen as Taoiseach? Maybe the blueshirts will get in soon! Enda bores the tits off me though

dRNk SAnTA · 5th May 2008, 15:49

I'm happier with Brian Cowen than Bertie. Hopefully there'll now be less waffle and stronger leadership.

Ramshock · 5th May 2008, 22:56

BIG IGNORANT FUCKER FROM OFFALY

1st April 2008, 16:41	#1 (permalink)
bazalini Join Date: May 2000 Location: President "Bring Back Charlie", "Clayton Blackmore" + "Neil Thomson" Fan clubs Posts: 12,791	Bertie Ahern You cann't fault him as a politician - has done excellent service to the country from the time he was a young Finance Minister to his recent job as Taiseach. However standards need to be upheld and anyone lining their pockets with brown envelopes need to be removed from office. FF were quick to distance themselves from Lawler & Burker, looks like they are okay that their leader is okay as he was not dealing in the tens of millions that Lawler & Burker had at their disposal. Shame on FF and shame on FF supporters for putting up with it.

1st April 2008, 16:52	#2 (permalink)
KanieKane Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Champions - Jesus, Im a cranky CUNT in the morning.... Posts: 1,795	Bang on the nose Baz he was getting well paid and still got a some brownies in the back burner to boot the prick

1st April 2008, 16:58	#3 (permalink)
bazalini Join Date: May 2000 Location: President "Bring Back Charlie", "Clayton Blackmore" + "Neil Thomson" Fan clubs Posts: 12,791	It amazes me that FF can be in Government for 17 out of the last 20 years. Jobs for the Boys Big Style

1st April 2008, 19:38	#4 (permalink)
Fitzjames Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Co Armagh Ireland Posts: 730	I think the culture of the "dig out" is long standing. And if Bertie had come clean at the beginning without the half truths, it would have been better for him. Actually his second in command BIFFO (Big Ignorant F***er from Offaly) Cowan is also damaged goods. He is Finance Minister and his brother is on latest list of tax dodgers. I kinda like Bertie......met him a few times and he even bought me a coca cola once. I probably should declare that as a "gift" on a tax form..........anyway he talked a lot about United (my son was wearing a United top)..hes a genuine fan........and its well known fact all Manchester United fans are great people. Ooops Id forgotten about Eamonn Holmes.

1st April 2008, 23:39	#5 (permalink)
dRNk SAnTA Youth Team Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dublin Posts: 348	I can't believe anyone would have any sympathy for bertie, talking about "dig-outs" when he has one of the best paid jobs in the country. He's been caught now, why is he still in power? What does it say about us?

2nd April 2008, 02:06	#6 (permalink)
Team Brian GB Celery chucker at the Bridge. Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: London Posts: 1,036	We have the same issues this side of the Irish Sea regarding curruption, the question is though for both Dublin and London is how far deep and widespread is it?

2nd April 2008, 10:28	#7 (permalink)
bazalini Join Date: May 2000 Location: President "Bring Back Charlie", "Clayton Blackmore" + "Neil Thomson" Fan clubs Posts: 12,791	Shit hiting the fan over here. Breaking News - BERTIE SET TO RESIGN IN NEXT 10-15 Mins.

2nd April 2008, 10:48	#8 (permalink)
Eyepopper First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 154 Hairy Avenue, Hairy St, Hairy, Hairy Posts: 8,672	Good Riddance... I have ti on good authority that they suspect he pocketed at LEAST 20million Baz, thats directly from one of the barristers to my brother...

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Eyepopper First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 154 Hairy Avenue, Hairy St, Hairy, Hairy Posts: 8,672	on TV right now.. he's going alright..

2nd April 2008, 11:00	#10 (permalink)
bazalini Join Date: May 2000 Location: President "Bring Back Charlie", "Clayton Blackmore" + "Neil Thomson" Fan clubs Posts: 12,791	Looked abit emotionally to start with. Nice Guy, Good Politician but needed to take this action. Hope FF are fucked

2nd April 2008, 11:02	#12 (permalink)
Eyepopper First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 154 Hairy Avenue, Hairy St, Hairy, Hairy Posts: 8,672	If he hadnt resigned it would've made a cunt of the Irish political system. He learned from the master but he wasnt as cute as oul Charlie!

2nd April 2008, 11:18	#14 (permalink)
Decotron Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: So near I can smell it..... Posts: 802	Best of luck to him. Im sure when it all comes out in the wash he wont be found guilty of anything seriously incriminating. Helped bring peace to our little island and deserves alot of credit. For that alone I say Thanks Bertie!

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dRNk SAnTA Youth Team Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dublin Posts: 348	I don't believe it! Well, he had to go. I agree that if he had stayed it would've insulted the political system. Who do you reckon will replace him? I think it has to be biffo, who I like despite his severe case of uglyness.

2nd April 2008, 11:41	#17 (permalink)
Eyepopper First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 154 Hairy Avenue, Hairy St, Hairy, Hairy Posts: 8,672	How long til an election then?

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Fitzjames Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Co Armagh Ireland Posts: 730	Alas poor Bertie...... Last election was in May 2007 so none need take place for a few years, unless FF coalition partners, the Greens and the Pee Dees pull the plug on FF and support FG in a vote of confidence which FF could lose. Whoever gets the job (Biffo Cowan) will rely on the fact that this is the government for which the people voted which is convincing (ie subtext is if we fought an election we would be crushed) FG will say ......ah but its a false mandate based on the fact that the people believed Bertie last year and now hes "proved" to be a liar. And thats convincing also. So while FF and FG folks will be putting these arguments and finger pointing on Prime Time and in news bulletins tonight, its all a bit sterile as only the Greens and Pee Dees have really got the "power" to pull the plug. Odd that the two premiers (Blair and Ahern) are scheduled to hand out the prizes at Queens University Belfast in July to the likes of yours truly and both are mired in sleaze......Blair cash for peerages and Ahern for cash for whatever. Yet "Northern Ireland" will be writ large in their legacy and for that Im grateful and so (without realising it yet) are my two grandsons. Yet I suppose the difference between Blair and Ahern is ......Iraq.

2nd April 2008, 16:09	#19 (permalink)
Decotron Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: So near I can smell it..... Posts: 802	My prediction is the v. sexy Mr Cowen for Taoiseach with John Gormley as Tanaiste (help reaffirm the coalition)

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Wes Brown is no God Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Dublin, in the Irish Republic Posts: 7,108	excellent public servant. ruined politically for months now, and had the good grace to go when he had to.

2nd April 2008, 18:18	#21 (permalink)
Don16 Annoying cnut Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: The big goalies coming up! Posts: 2,549	He's a United fan. Thats my input.

2nd April 2008, 22:40	#22 (permalink)
Team Brian GB Celery chucker at the Bridge. Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: London Posts: 1,036	What I find disconcerning is that politicians every where are coming out saying what a good man he was and that he will be missed, I am yet to see a significant comment saying that it is right he should go.

12th April 2008, 09:39	#25 (permalink)
Livvie Executive Manager being kept sane only by her madness Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Someone said that half of Caf members were thick. It's not true. Half of you aren't thick at all. Posts: 27,388	Let's hope it affects the sales of Cecelia Ahern's books. She has improved but her first one was dire, as was the film it spawned. I doubt it would have made it into print if she wasn't who she was. But that's OT. Sorry. I quite liked dear old Bertie tbh.

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Ramshock Poster of nonsense Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Stretford End for the Irish!! Posts: 2,697	Fuckin hell Cowen as Taoiseach? Maybe the blueshirts will get in soon! Enda bores the tits off me though

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dRNk SAnTA Youth Team Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dublin Posts: 348	I'm happier with Brian Cowen than Bertie. Hopefully there'll now be less waffle and stronger leadership.

5th May 2008, 22:56	#28 (permalink)
Ramshock Poster of nonsense Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Stretford End for the Irish!! Posts: 2,697	BIG IGNORANT FUCKER FROM OFFALY