Britain and its role in Abolishing the Slave Trade...

KingDingle22 · 5th May 2008, 14:11

I've been reading up on britain's role in abolition the slave trade. Britain and the Royal Navy really did have a massive role in the abolition of the slave trade. Banned it in the empire; Forced local chieftan's to sign up to laws promising to stop slavery; Royal Navy seized ships coming out of African, and in doing so freed an est. 150k would-be slaves; and much more!

Doesn't seem to get any credit what so ever for this, in general. I didn't have a clue it played such an important role...

Plechazunga · 5th May 2008, 14:14

chieftans

utdalltheway · 5th May 2008, 14:51

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chieftans

good band are the Chieftains.

Plechazunga · 5th May 2008, 15:02

Fuck

I was concentrating so much on the damned apostrophe that I...

Fuck

brad-dyrak · 5th May 2008, 17:44

I don't have it in front of me, but there was a nice book detailing the rise and fall of New World slavery. The interesting parts for me being the growth of the abolition movement in England. Relative to the times, it proved to be a nice example of a grass-roots, bottom-up movement then championed by Wilberforce. Angry travelling ministers addressing righteous masses in so many towns. Good stuff. Whatever other ulterior motives it may be argued that the state may have had, there was a right-minded, righteous acknowledgement among enough people to affect a change. Slavery was seen for what it was. Good on ya.

BTW, the book also had some good detail on the absolutely massive slave economies in South America, and how close the USA had come to dropping the whole business earlier on. I hadn't understood so much about that.

IBleedRed · 5th May 2008, 19:22

I seem to remember England almost backing the south in the american civil war
great day for anti slavery stances in england

utdalltheway · 5th May 2008, 19:56

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

Fuck

I was concentrating so much on the damned apostrophe that I...

Fuck

Sorry about that. Feel free to point out my mistakes.

utdalltheway · 5th May 2008, 20:02

From what I understand the Brits were ahead of their time in abolition.

The Americans may have been too were it not for the southern states. Every time they wanted to do something about the southern delegates would cause an uproar and only during Lincoln's time did it come to a head. I suppose he had the balls to stand up to their bullying tactics, or at least that's what's portrayed.

The Brazilians had as many, or more, slaves than anyone else yet you don't hear too much about them.
Fair play to the Mexicans and the Argies, they didn't have many. Not entirely sure why though.

cockneyred · 5th May 2008, 20:02

aint we paying for it NOW

IBleedRed · 5th May 2008, 20:16

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Originally Posted by utdalltheway

From what I understand the Brits were ahead of their time in abolition.

The Americans may have been too were it not for the southern states. Every time they wanted to do something about the southern delegates would cause an uproar and only during Lincoln's time did it come to a head. I suppose he had the balls to stand up to their bullying tactics, or at least that's what's portrayed.

The Brazilians had as many, or more, slaves than anyone else yet you don't hear too much about them.
Fair play to the Mexicans and the Argies, they didn't have many. Not entirely sure why though.

they have cheap mexican labor

Plechazunga · 6th May 2008, 07:05

The way we see the slave trade now, compared with how normal it felt to those who were involved in it at the time, is analogous to the way our descendents in a century or two will view our meat-eating.

You heard it here first.

Wibble · 6th May 2008, 07:14

I very much doubt it Plech. Perhaps the methods of killing but meat will still be very popular and probably more of a luxury than it is now.

Plechazunga · 6th May 2008, 07:17

By that time they'll surely be able to grow muscle from culture that tastes indistinguishable from the real thing, so I'd expect real farmed meat to be marginal and highly controversial.

The Hairdryer · 6th May 2008, 08:57

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

By that time they'll surely be able to grow muscle from culture that tastes indistinguishable from the real thing, so I'd expect real farmed meat to be marginal and highly controversial.

No, the whole thing will go full circle and people will happily eat fresh meat.

peterstorey · 6th May 2008, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

The way we see the slave trade now, compared with how normal it felt to those who were involved in it at the time, is analogous to the way our descendents in a century or two will view our meat-eating.

You heard it here first.

What they'll really cane us for is having the resources to give the Third World a basic standard of living yet keeping them for ourselves.

MikeUpNorth · 6th May 2008, 10:11

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

The way we see the slave trade now, compared with how normal it felt to those who were involved in it at the time, is analogous to the way our descendents in a century or two will view our meat-eating.

You heard it here first.

I've heard it before.

Wibble · 6th May 2008, 10:14

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

By that time they'll surely be able to grow muscle from culture that tastes indistinguishable from the real thing, so I'd expect real farmed meat to be marginal and highly controversial.

Maybe. Not totally convinced mind.

If this does happen real meat will become a luxury item rather than dying out I'd guess.

Plechazunga · 6th May 2008, 12:19

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Originally Posted by MikeUpNorth

I've heard it before.

Yeah, but the people you heard it off heard it here first.

spinoza · 6th May 2008, 12:57

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Originally Posted by utdalltheway

The Brazilians had as many, or more, slaves than anyone else yet you don't hear too much about them.
Fair play to the Mexicans and the Argies, they didn't have many. Not entirely sure why though.

I think it didn't end in a divisive war the way it did in America. Apparently in Brazil the degree of "blackness" is determined by your wealth - black people can become "white" by becoming richer, and it can change over the course of your lifetime.

I know, I didn't understand that either.

utdalltheway · 6th May 2008, 13:53

makes perfect sense to me

I've never been to Brazil but the people I've met had said that there's no racism down there. Find that hard to believe tbh.
Maybe it's not as common place, or as state supported like it was in the US, but I did notice that everytime I see rich Brazilians they all seemed to be a bunch of old white guys, like the US.
Except Pele of course, he transcends race, religion, everything. He's the most famous Brazilian in world.

ILBB15 · 6th May 2008, 15:14

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Originally Posted by utdalltheway

makes perfect sense to me

I've never been to Brazil but the people I've met had said that there's no racism down there. Find that hard to believe tbh.
Maybe it's not as common place, or as state supported like it was in the US, but I did notice that everytime I see rich Brazilians they all seemed to be a bunch of old white guys, like the US.
Except Pele of course, he transcends race, religion, everything. He's the most famous Brazilian in world.

I would imagine that the upper class is very racist in Brazil, but not the lower class.

Fitzjames · 6th May 2008, 15:34

Praising Britain for abolishing the slave trade (actually it still exists and many worker migrants in Britain are litthe more than slaves.paying off agents) is like praising Harold Shipman for stopping killing. Or praising a man who used to beat up his wife for seeing it as a bad thing.

iguanamanc · 6th May 2008, 20:03

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Originally Posted by spinoza

I think it didn't end in a divisive war the way it did in America. Apparently in Brazil the degree of "blackness" is determined by your wealth - black people can become "white" by becoming richer, and it can change over the course of your lifetime.

I know, I didn't understand that either.

It's the Michael Jackson syndrome.........

iguanamanc · 6th May 2008, 20:11

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Originally Posted by cockneyred

aint we paying for it NOW

Not as much as we are from our colonisation policies during the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. We once 'ruled' over 25% of the World's population and it sure stores up a lot of resentment and payback potential.

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KingDingle22 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Banbury Posts: 1,088	Britain and its role in Abolishing the Slave Trade... I've been reading up on britain's role in abolition the slave trade. Britain and the Royal Navy really did have a massive role in the abolition of the slave trade. Banned it in the empire; Forced local chieftan's to sign up to laws promising to stop slavery; Royal Navy seized ships coming out of African, and in doing so freed an est. 150k would-be slaves; and much more! Doesn't seem to get any credit what so ever for this, in general. I didn't have a clue it played such an important role...

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Plechazunga Phones, soup, paint and chairs are troubling. Join Date: May 2003 Location: My enthusiasm is the same. I love this club. It is not about brochures. Posts: 49,334	chieftans

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Plechazunga Phones, soup, paint and chairs are troubling. Join Date: May 2003 Location: My enthusiasm is the same. I love this club. It is not about brochures. Posts: 49,334	Fuck I was concentrating so much on the damned apostrophe that I... Fuck

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brad-dyrak Youth Team Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 263	I don't have it in front of me, but there was a nice book detailing the rise and fall of New World slavery. The interesting parts for me being the growth of the abolition movement in England. Relative to the times, it proved to be a nice example of a grass-roots, bottom-up movement then championed by Wilberforce. Angry travelling ministers addressing righteous masses in so many towns. Good stuff. Whatever other ulterior motives it may be argued that the state may have had, there was a right-minded, righteous acknowledgement among enough people to affect a change. Slavery was seen for what it was. Good on ya. BTW, the book also had some good detail on the absolutely massive slave economies in South America, and how close the USA had come to dropping the whole business earlier on. I hadn't understood so much about that.

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IBleedRed likes to use pantyhose Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: a state of arrested development Posts: 2,490	I seem to remember England almost backing the south in the american civil war great day for anti slavery stances in england

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utdalltheway First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USA (orig. Cobh) Posts: 5,693	From what I understand the Brits were ahead of their time in abolition. The Americans may have been too were it not for the southern states. Every time they wanted to do something about the southern delegates would cause an uproar and only during Lincoln's time did it come to a head. I suppose he had the balls to stand up to their bullying tactics, or at least that's what's portrayed. The Brazilians had as many, or more, slaves than anyone else yet you don't hear too much about them. Fair play to the Mexicans and the Argies, they didn't have many. Not entirely sure why though.

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cockneyred Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SHINE MY NINE Posts: 1,223	aint we paying for it NOW

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Plechazunga Phones, soup, paint and chairs are troubling. Join Date: May 2003 Location: My enthusiasm is the same. I love this club. It is not about brochures. Posts: 49,334	The way we see the slave trade now, compared with how normal it felt to those who were involved in it at the time, is analogous to the way our descendents in a century or two will view our meat-eating. You heard it here first.

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Wibble Teeth like a reindeer. Hung like a horse. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Ingadus Speramus Posts: 33,161	I very much doubt it Plech. Perhaps the methods of killing but meat will still be very popular and probably more of a luxury than it is now.

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Plechazunga Phones, soup, paint and chairs are troubling. Join Date: May 2003 Location: My enthusiasm is the same. I love this club. It is not about brochures. Posts: 49,334	By that time they'll surely be able to grow muscle from culture that tastes indistinguishable from the real thing, so I'd expect real farmed meat to be marginal and highly controversial.

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utdalltheway First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USA (orig. Cobh) Posts: 5,693	makes perfect sense to me I've never been to Brazil but the people I've met had said that there's no racism down there. Find that hard to believe tbh. Maybe it's not as common place, or as state supported like it was in the US, but I did notice that everytime I see rich Brazilians they all seemed to be a bunch of old white guys, like the US. Except Pele of course, he transcends race, religion, everything. He's the most famous Brazilian in world.

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Fitzjames Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Co Armagh Ireland Posts: 730	Praising Britain for abolishing the slave trade (actually it still exists and many worker migrants in Britain are litthe more than slaves.paying off agents) is like praising Harold Shipman for stopping killing. Or praising a man who used to beat up his wife for seeing it as a bad thing.