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Old 14th January 2012, 20:24   #1 (permalink)
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So did the Captain make a mistake in trying to steer the ship into shallower waters, which caused it to list, making the lifeboats hard to access?

Or would it have been worse, maybe with the ship totally sinking, if he hadn't?

Either way, it's an awful thing to have happened, and somehow seems worse because these mega-ships are almost touted as unsinkeable - ring a bell?
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Old 14th January 2012, 20:27   #2 (permalink)
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Human error makes everything sinkable, we are very resourceful creatures.
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Old 14th January 2012, 23:55   #3 (permalink)
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I'm not an expert of ships but it looks built top heavy. Superstructure very high and all that. Thoughts inevitably go out to the three people who died and several more missing.

I notice the captain of the ship has been detained for manslaughter:
Captain arrested amid growing anger after Italian cruise ship runs aground | World news | The Observer
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Old 14th January 2012, 23:59   #4 (permalink)
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I'm not an expert of ships but it looks built top heavy. Superstructure very high and all that.
Nothing up with the design of the ship. There are hundreds of cruise ships, and thousands of cargo vessels with similar profiles. I suspect what went on below the waterline is the problem here.
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Power blackout could be the main reason for the ship's navigation problems. Which led to the tumble, crack from below, engine explosion...
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Old 15th January 2012, 00:13   #6 (permalink)
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Power blackout could be the main reason for the ship's navigation problems.
I am not 100% familiar with that class of ship but if it was built in 2006 I would be surprised if it didn't have azipod motors. The ship had six diesel engines and the navigation systems have a lot of redundancy. Loss of power and propulsion is unlikely but not impossible

Looks more like human error at this stage but you never know.
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Old 15th January 2012, 00:30   #7 (permalink)
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Old 15th January 2012, 08:42   #8 (permalink)
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It's like The Poseidon Adventure - they can hear noises coming from one of the decks.
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Pardon my ignorance, is it slowly sinking or actually sitting on a very shallow sea bed at the moment?
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The captain keeps saying it was just previously unknown rocks in meant to be deep waters, and he then navigated the ship close to shore to make the rescue easier. Possibly he is a hero.
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Old 15th January 2012, 16:14   #11 (permalink)
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A lot of bad stuff about the crew here: Costa Concordia: Sinking cruise ship survivors describe nightmare scenes | Mail Online
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Old 15th January 2012, 17:06   #12 (permalink)
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Cruise Ships at Costa Cruise. Experience the Costa Concordia cruise ship for a cruise vacation you will never forget.
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It always makes me smile on a Cruise when they do the safety drill and split the passengers between both sides of the ship. Everyone has their muster station and a dedicated lifeboat, very reassuring. THEN when a boat starts listing they can only use the lifeboats on one side of the ship. Total chaos and panic.
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Old 16th January 2012, 10:40   #14 (permalink)
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Looks like the blame is firmly with the captain, just seen a report that he was doing a sail past the port so that the crew could wave at a former crew member.
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Old 16th January 2012, 11:39   #15 (permalink)
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Costa Cruise are shite

I never liked 'em as a company
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Old 16th January 2012, 15:45   #16 (permalink)
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Nice to see the Italian Captain and crew staying true to their traditions of cowardice. Last time there was a major incident with a cruise ship it was an Italian crew, and they to abandoned ship and left the passengers in the shit.
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Interesting to see how the papers reported it this morning.

Every newspaper- 'Fears grow for 17 still missing'

The FT- 'Ferry disaster to cost Carnival $95m'

The cold face of capitalism.
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Old 17th January 2012, 01:05   #18 (permalink)
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Interesting to see how the papers reported it this morning.

Every newspaper- 'Fears grow for 17 still missing'

The FT- 'Ferry disaster to cost Carnival $95m'

The cold face of capitalism.
Unfair really, plenty of newspapers for people to pick from if they want to read about the incident and safety of those involved.
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Interesting to see how the papers reported it this morning.

Every newspaper- 'Fears grow for 17 still missing'

The FT- 'Ferry disaster to cost Carnival $95m'
People buy the FT to help make investment decisions. More than one person said to me this morning, "its a good day to ditch Carnival shares".
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I am watching Sky News and it has the conversation between the Italian Coastguard and the Captain.
It is a disgrace the Captain of a sinking ship having to be told to help get passengers of the ship , even the second in command got off before the passengers.
The Coastguard was disgusted with him and said he would be in serous trouble , I hope they throw the key away on him.
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Old 17th January 2012, 14:41   #21 (permalink)
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Interesting to see how the papers reported it this morning.

Every newspaper- 'Fears grow for 17 still missing'

The FT- 'Ferry disaster to cost Carnival $95m'

The cold face of capitalism.
Because that's what you buy the FT for. If I want to read about loss of life, real-life Poseidon etc, I'll buy the fluffy papers instead.
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Allegedly, the captain got off the ship and called a taxi.
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I am watching Sky News and it has the conversation between the Italian Coastguard and the Captain.
It is a disgrace the Captain of a sinking ship having to be told to help get passengers of the ship , even the second in command got off before the passengers.
The Coastguard was disgusted with him and said he would be in serous trouble , I hope they throw the key away on him.
That sounded really unbelievable. Then he said the deck had tilted and thrown them off.
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A taxi to where? Is there even taxis on that Island.
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It doesn't sound likely, does it.
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The captain is now claiming he didnt abandon ship but that he "tripped and fell into a lifeboat"

"Fell into a lifeboat" well, that was lucky for him!!
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yeah, of all the things to fall into; he must be the luckiest man around. unlike some of his passengers.

I read the transcript of the coast guard guys conversation with him and wonder if it was translated correctly. if it was it makes the captain look like a pansy.
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The captain is now claiming he didnt abandon ship but that he "tripped and fell into a lifeboat"

"Fell into a lifeboat" well, that was lucky for him!!
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yeah, of all the things to fall into; he must be the luckiest man around. unlike some of his passengers.

I read the transcript of the coast guard guys conversation with him and wonder if it was translated correctly. if it was it makes the captain look like a pansy.
Thats the understatement of the year.
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You just couldnt make this shit up could you? As for the captain..."Oh I feel into this damn lifeboat! Fuck, how inconvenient is this?!?!"

Also a lot of passengers comparing it to the Titanic, here is one example

It was like a scene from

Now Im not denying it was probably pretty scary and what have you but to compare it to the Titanic is disingenuous to those who lost their lives on the Titanic and also those who survived it. I dont think they could compare the Titanic to a cruise ship partially sinking in the warm Mediterranean sea and close enough to shore so that many could swim. It was nothing like the Titanic
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Thats the understatement of the year.
again, it's all down to the translation. I'm not quite willing to believe the story I read. been there, done that.
still, he's in big trouble as he was not the last to leave. he could still be there the silly fecker. there was plenty of the bridge out of the water.
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The captain is now claiming he didnt abandon ship but that he "tripped and fell into a lifeboat"

"Fell into a lifeboat" well, that was lucky for him!!
I know. I feel so sorry for him.

Imagine falling into a departing lifeboat, when you were planning to stay and make sure all your passengers and crew were off. Poor guy...
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Is the captain likely to face criminal charges for his actions.

No idea if it what actually happened would be classified as negligent on a professional level, or whether it would escalate to manslaughter or something else if his actions were seen as directly responsible for the deaths of passengers?
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Holding on manslaughter charges I believe.
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Holding on manslaughter charges I believe.
Plus abandoning his ship, negligence/dangerous navigation, and cowardice.
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I am baffled how people like this have escaped the screening profile.

I'm sure anyone who gets to be a captain of such a vessel would have gone through a program. This guy's profile would have stuck out like a sore thump.

He will go to prison. But also this cruise line will be out of business with all the legal actions
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I am baffled how people like this have escaped the screening profile.

I'm sure anyone who gets to be a captain of such a vessel would have gone through a program. This guy's profile would have stuck out like a sore thump.

He will go to prison. But also this cruise line will be out of business with all the legal actions
What were the rest of the officers doing on the bridge when the captain decided to go so close to the island? Was the captain himself at the helm? If not, does that make them all culpable?

It's getting hard to separate fact from speculation now. Another of the rumours is that the captain wasn't the only crew member to "fall into a lifeboat".
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What were the rest of the officers doing on the bridge when the captain decided to go so close to the island? Was the captain himself at the helm? If not, does that make them all culpable?

It's getting hard to separate fact from speculation now. Another of the rumours is that the captain wasn't the only crew member to "fall into a lifeboat".
this little detour could not happen without a captain's Ok.

but you are right....what a bunch of irresponsible crew.

dont want to be stereo typing....but this seems so 'italian'!!!

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this little detour could not happen without a captain's Ok. but you are right....what a bunch of irresponsible crew.
But could/should the crew have refused?


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dont want to be stereo typing....but this seems so 'italian'!!!

sorry
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But could/should the crew have refused?
the crew should at least have warned the captain. they would have known of the low water level I am sure.

at the least..everyone seems to have thrown their brains out on this one.


yeah... that was poor


btw a number of people seem to have come from Minnesota where I live...

among the dead too
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