Dealing With China in the Coming Years

Giggsy PO

Dealing With China in the Coming Years
by Ross Terrill

How should we deal with China in the coming years? Do we oppose China, or can we coax it into the so-called international community? Simply put, we should stand up for freedom. The United States represents a beacon of hope to a new generation of Chinese who live in a Leninist regime supervising a semi-capitalist society—an arrangement that so far has never lasted for a sustained period. If we are going to deal with China properly in the coming years, we have to confront this contradiction.

Whether desirable or not, China is rising: Try to spend a day shopping without coming home with Chinese-made products. Adopt a baby and it may well be from China. Asian-American students comprise 50 percent or more of the student body at numerous American colleges. China's GDP quadrupled in Deng Xiaoping's two decades from 1978 to 1992. Since then it has been growing even faster at 10-11 percent per year. Foreign trade increased tenfold during Deng's reign. China's economic advance has led to military expansion, diplomatic sophistication, a relentless quest for markets, enormous oil consumption, an enhanced capacity to import and swelling nationalism.

What is China trying to do and to be? As a free society, America trumpets its goals. By contrast, China tends to hide its goals. Its stated aims are peace and development. Its real aims are to sustain its economic growth, have a tranquil set of borders for that purpose (China has 14 borders), eclipse the United States in East Asia and regain "lost" territory. (Taiwan is only one of the territories that, because the Chinese emperor once possessed it, the Chinese government believes should return to China.) While Beijing does enormous business with us, it regularly launches anti-American diatribes. And while it advocates a world free of arms, it has lined up 800 missiles opposite Taiwan.

The prospect of China achieving its international aims—especially outstripping the U.S. and expanding its territory—depends on two things: the future of its political system and whether the United States and other countries acquiesce in China's rise. The popular idea is that China is in transition from communism to freedom, as we heard when President Clinton went to China in 1998 and said, "China is moving to join the thriving community of free democracies." Others say that communism hasn't yet been abandoned in China, but a seamless transition is in the works: As long as China continues its reforms, lets the private sector grow, fulfills its pledges to the World Trade Organization and replaces the whim of a single leader with general rules and regulations, then the world will wake up one morning and see that China, like Poland or Mongolia, has truly ended communist rule.

But reform can be illusory. The Hungarian reformers of the late 1960s believed in open-ended reform, and ultimately that led to the collapse of socialism. But communist reform can be intended merely to streamline socialism. I think this is the view of the Chinese communist party. We might think or hope that such reforms will undermine communism. Certainly many Chinese privately hope for this. But in and of themselves, reforms could for a time strengthen the system.

Giggsy PO

Three Futures

There are three possibilities for China's next quarter- century. One is that there will be no transition to a different political system. What we see now— commercialized Leninism—is what we will see in another 25 years. The communist party will buy off the Chinese people with a better material way of life. There will be no rule of law if this happens, but rather continued repression. The second possibility is democracy. According to this view, the new society and the new economy will produce a new liberalized politics. The third possibility is that the contradictions of China today mean that the country is headed for fracture. An authoritarian state and a free economy are simply incompatible in this view, and explosion lies down the road.

The argument that commercialized Leninism will continue goes something like this: First, the communist leaders have no plans to abandon it, since they profit from it. Second, Beijing—which wants economic but not political change—has learned from Mikhail Gorbachev's mistake. Gorbachev tried to start with political change and then did not deliver the economic goods to the Soviet people. Third, China now has the economic muscle to pacify the losers of its reform era, such as farmers and a massive army of unemployed workers. Fourth, the Chinese state is more resourceful because of its long tradition of domestic imperial rule. Fifth, there is a lack of fanaticism: Chinese dictatorships have never been theocratic, and still have a pragmatic streak today. Finally, the leadership is more than willing to play the national glory card: space missions, the Olympic games, and communist archaeologists' attempts to prove that China is 5,000 years old (which it isn't), thus older than India. The regime thinks these achievements will keep the Chinese people happy.

The main reason to doubt that commercialized Leninism will survive is simple: It has never survived before. And besides, success is not solely in the Chinese leadership's hands. They have unleashed forces which may deny them their goal. For example, entry into the World Trade Organization is a very complicated step. As American banks start to lend Chinese currency to Chinese citizens at rates different from Chinese communist banks, what will be the effects? China has promised to allow foreign banks to expand this policy, but will it? And how will Chinese banks manage with the resulting hugely reduced deposits? Another factor to consider: Last year, 57 percent of China's exports were produced by joint-venture enterprises, which means foreign money is behind this boom. What will be the implications of that? Will foreign investment continue at a high level?

There are other reasons to doubt that the current system will last. Since Beijing has told its people that economic success is now the measure of communism's success, one severe recession might be enough to finish it off. And do not forget that the loss of the American market, due to any Sino-American rupture, would mean the loss of 30 percent of China's exports, and that would probably end the regime. Finally, economic freedom and political freedom cannot be separated for long. It was not for nothing that Adam Smith described his ideas about the free economy as a system of natural liberty, or that Friedrich Hayek called his book about the futility of centralized economic planning The Road to Serfdom.

What are the reasons for thinking that China will transform itself into a democracy? There are some hopeful signs: Other former Leninist states have adopted some form of democracy. In fact, against the predictions of many, democracy has also taken root in parts of Chinese civilization, in Taiwan and to a degree in Hong Kong. Nor is this unprecedented. There were flickers of democracy in early 20th century China, but they were overwhelmed by warlordism and the second Sino- Japanese war. Certain preconditions of democracy do exist in China: One can buy a house (though not the land it stands on); education is at respectable levels; there is limited diversification of information; and professionals such as lawyers and journalists are pushing for autonomy.

Several factors, however, oppose a transition to democracy. Rural hinterland China is a world away from the new economy of eastern, coastal, urban China. An ingrained respect for hierarchy dominates society. Village elections have been tried, but people often don't vote for what they want—rather they vote as the communist party secretary or the clan powerholders tell them. Furthermore, it is very hard to envision national democracy in China. For example, an attempt to found a farmers party in China would in fact lead to multiple farmers parties in the 28 provinces (some of these with more than 100 million people). Political pluralism would bring out the astonishing and potentially dangerous diversity among the Chinese people, which authoritarianism holds in check.

Another barrier to effective democracy is the fact that 250 million Chinese are illiterate, as measured by a very low government standard that requires knowledge of a mere 400 Chinese characters. Also, there is no national spoken language. Those who speak Mandarin can't be understood in south China. The Cantonese of south China is as different from Mandarin as Swedish is from English. Non-Chinese tongues dominate the western half of China: Turkic tongues to the west, Tibetan to the southwest, Mongol to the northwest. In sum, an attempt at democracy in China could initially produce a mess, and many bright Chinese bureaucrats know that to be true.

What is the possibility of fracture, of China breaking into pieces? The problem of governance looms large. Take the population of the United States and add that of Russia, Indonesia, Japan, Brazil and all of Western Europe, and this is still well short of China's population of 1.3 billion. Historically, the western half of the country is not Chinese at all. It has been at various times a Tibetan kingdom, part of Mongolia and a Turkic state linked with what we now call Central Asia. Economic development in Tibet and the Muslim west could embolden these minority peoples; cell phones make it easier for them to organize; plane tickets to Mecca come within reach for devout Muslims. Indeed, Chinese leaders have often talked among themselves about the dangers of civil war or fracture.

What mitigates against fracture? Most important is the fact that China's population is 92 percent Chinese. By contrast, the Soviet Union was only 50 percent Russian. Furthermore, China experienced disunity in the past, and its people as well as its government are more wary of disunity than is true in most other countries.

How and why would the political system change? There has to be a trigger in the form of a crisis in at least two of three areas: society at large, the communist party leadership and international relations. The current regime has lasted as long as it has because it hasn't had such a crisis in decades.

Chinese society may experience a crisis due to the substantial and ongoing religious revival or because of the undoubted high level of farmer dissatisfaction. But even taking social upheaval as a given, there is no split at the top of the communist party at the moment, nor does a grave international challenge loom. This is not to say that there have not been horrendous splits in the party in the past: When Mao died in 1976, his widow intended to succeed him, but so did Deng Xiaoping, who was under house arrest. Meanwhile, the politburo was split pretty much down the middle. Two rival coups d'etat were planned, and eventually Deng triumphed. The Chinese public did not know of this struggle until it was over. Had this power struggle occurred in public in the context of social turbulence and an international challenge, things might well have turned out differently in the late 1970s.

However, if the military, which is not friendly to the United States, triggered some kind of dislocation in Chinese–U.S. relations, then there would be an interaction between all three of the spheres I mentioned. The Chinese economy (and therefore the society) would be affected, and some members of the Chinese leadership would oppose this rupture with Washington. This would lead to an interaction between an international crisis, social turbulence and a major disagreement at the top of the Chinese government. The confluence of all three, or even two, would almost certainly cause political change.

I don't think the communist party's monopoly on power will last beyond 20 years. But neither do I think China will break up into pieces. The communist party may itself break up, which would lead to political competition between the different pieces. I think there will be a somewhat freer political order over this time frame, but not democracy.

Giggsy PO

The Role of the U.S.

The United States should do two main things in dealing with China: First, seek full engagement, especially with China's private sector. Second, seek to preserve an equilibrium in East Asia that discourages Beijing from expansionism. No contradiction exists between these two policies.

Opposing authoritarianism on principle and yet engaging with an emerging China is a contradiction we can and should live with. China's rise is to be welcomed in many ways. It is a market for our products. It is culturally enriching for China and America to interact. What is more, if China did break up into pieces, it would benefit Russia and Japan, not the United States. What would not be good for us is a China that keeps on rising but remains a dictatorship with unending territorial claims—including parts of Siberia and many southern islands stretching to Indonesia—makes a vassal out of Burma, threatens Tibet, represses religion, arrests people for what they write on the Internet and locks up pro-democracy leaders. This kind of China, if it still exists in 20 years, would not be stable or a friend to the United States. We do want an accommodating relationship with China, if we can have it. But because of the political nature of China, tomorrow is unknown. We have to engage fully but keep ourselves and our allies strong. The United States should not allow China to become the number one power in the world, and indeed, President Bush has welcomed Japan's new assertiveness and held out a hand to India precisely in order to signal that stance.

Alas, some people are so hostile to President Bush—and to America—that they hope China will become the world's leading power. Many think we have become unworthy of the role. Of course, this has been said before. It was said after our withdrawal from Vietnam. But within five years we elected Ronald Reagan, who didn't think we were unworthy at all. It was predicted in the 1980s when Japan was supposed to become the world's leading economy. Paul Kennedy, in his much-acclaimed book The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers, said we were suffering from "imperial overstretch" and predicted we would decline. Well, what fell down was not the United States but the Soviet Union, and there is no comparison between America's economy today and Japan's. Some said the collapse of the Soviet Union would end any American need for global strength. But this never happened, and there is no sign that it will.

Of course, China would fill the vacuum if the U.S. ever left East Asia. But otherwise, China's rise will be limited. The Chinese leaders—who are not reckless people—can count the numbers. They observed the Gulf War and saw our military technology. I think they are aware of the large gap between American power and their own. However, I do worry at times that authoritarian China has an advantage over the U.S. It can take the long view, hiding its aims; it can pull the strings of Chinese public opinion; it can set the agenda of international organizations with an eye to weakening the U.S., while doing nothing itself to implement the resulting policies. It has access to an open American society that far outstrips our access to Chinese society.

But, in the final analysis, no dictatorship is strong if the U.S. retains the will to stand against it, as we did against the Soviet Union. The average lifespan of the Leninist regimes in Europe was 27 years. The Chinese communist regime is 57 years old, 17 years short of the lifespan of the Soviet Union. We should talk back to the Chinese when they question our open society, and openly criticize Chinese repression. Above all, we should continue to be a beacon for freedom, with dignity and patience, but also with tenacity and with no apologies.

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sorry for so long article, but some interesting points there

anything about now

It's a decent read but first of all, the US is no longer in position to criticize others of human rights.

Also, from what ive seen, China is not very interested in becoming the world leader. There are many factors in here, 1.) they know they are not ready yet, they have too many problems of their own both social and economical, so they will never tell others what to do unlike the US. 2.) Chinese policy has always been rather closed. Besides Genghis Khan who's arguably more Mongal than Chinese, they are more interested in trade than war or invasion. 3.) Again they are still some ways behind in terms of technology, living standards, and modernization.

The points i'm impressed with are his explanations on the barriers to democracy. I've always said that China and her billion population are not yet ready for democracy and freedom, but it is a general objective and will eventually be achieved, albeit slowly. All you have to do is compare modern day China to 20 years ago, and you will see a great difference. The govrenment can restrain and hold back, but it cannot stop the ever growing demands of its people as they become smarter and are more exposed to the modernization of the rest of the world.

I still think the article ends on a slight hypocrisy, with US being the beacon for freedom? I'm not sure if this is to get on the good side of the American readers, or it's a subtle reminder to the US gov't to try and set an example. If that's the case then it's a good idea but i'm afraid it might just fall on deaf ears, as Americans by default already feel they are the most free and democratic.

711

Can a country be called a democracy when the premiership is handed down from one family member to another?

Bushes, Clintons, Kennedys.

Pronewbie

Why must democracy work for everyone? If their current system works for them and the people aren't complaining or revolting I don't think the western world have a right to say anything.

lynchie

What if they're only not complaining or revolting because they fear for their lives? What if everyone (slight exaggeration) that's publicly complained has been rounded up and chucked in jail?

anything about now

AFAIK the only ones to get chucked in jail are the political ones who have an agenda. It depends on how you complain really, if you send suggestions thats fine. If you try to "change" like Obama then could be viewed as a seperatist.

Generally speaking, most of them just want a decent lifestyle, they just want food on the table and to get by. Tey love the socialist system, love working for their goals; family, home mortgage, buy a car, travel to Europe. If the Communist government can provide a fair competition and give everyone a chance, they are more than happy to oblige. Pronewbie has a point when he says not everyone has to live like Americans, or have rights like Americans.

Reddish

Let China sleep for when she wakes she will shake the world.

3000.

Plechazunga

They say if the Chinese all jumped it would knock the earth off its axis and eveything would go tits up

I reckon that's what happened in the second half of the 2005 CL final

Fecking Chinese...

bazalini

Typical western US driven artical.

Hope the Chinese continue to advance and work on new advances in Technology and medicine. The Yanks have clearly no desire to move away from an Oil driven economy.

Won't be long until India is up there as well.


Just hope peace prevails throughout

Plechazunga

Yes Baz, cos China and India have certainly turned their backs on the oil economy haven't they

I_live_cement

Is it India or China who has the world's fastest expanding economy?

bazalini

You cann't turn your backs on Oil, but you need economies to start to move away from fossil fuels.

I would have more belief in the Chinese developing new energy resources rather then the Yanks

Plechazunga

Right, in the meantime they're guzzling it down like Tizer at a kids' birthday party

I_live_cement

I dig the analogy but could we not go with something more contemporary, like Pepsi? I've not seen or drank Tizer since about ten years ago.

Plechazunga

Tizer fucking ruled, back in the day, and in my view it's still pretty gangsta.

I_live_cement

I'm going to buy some Tizer tomorrow, I bet you it tastes like piss. Trust the fecking Chinese to drink piss...

peterstorey

Tizer was King but they changed the recipe ages ago and it tastes insipid these days - it's all a bit tuck shop, jolly hockey sticks and lashings of.

bazalini

I remember I drank Tab once and stayed up for 92 hours flat

Team Brian GB

They are complaining, I used a stat for a university essay on challengers to the US in the 21st century, the number of protests in China rose from around 4,000 in 1993 to 80,000 in 2003. Bare in mind there are two Chinas'- one of which is urban Western China where state control is 'relatively' relaxed, and then there is remote rural China where state control is very, very heavy. The international press is largely banned from reporting outside of the major cities or even leaving the major cities- it really is a hidden world.

Also another unknown fact about China is that they have internal passports, to move from rural to urban China you have to be in possession of NINE different permits- without the required permits you cannot access any social services or provisions annd if you are discovered you will be deported- this system has been somewhat relaxed of late but it still remains very, very draconian.

One of the great tragedies of the Bush Administration that due to the likes of Camp Gitmo it has lost the moral highground on human rights but to claim that the United States cannot criticize China is a fallacy- China is a very closed off country and we will never know most of the secrets it holds but some of the claims, accusations and investigations that have gone on are very, very disturbing.

sin65

Nick 0208 Ldn

China could lease overseas farming land to beat rising food prices, according to reports from Beijing.

Soaring grain prices have encouraged the ministry of agriculture to consider the scheme, according to the Beijing Morning newspaper.

Chinese enterprises would lease or even buy farmland in Latin America, Australia and the former Soviet Union.

The land in production could replace Chinese farmland lost to rapidly growing cities and industrial zones.

Pilot schemes

The BBC's China analyst, Shirong Chen, says the initiative builds on recent experience.

Ten years ago a Chinese company formed a joint venture with the Cuban government to set up two farms to grow rice in Cuba. A similar venture has been set up in Mexico.

High international grain prices and the pressure of domestic inflation are the main factors behind the drive.

Grain prices rose by 60 % on the global market in the first three months of the year, adding to inflationary forces in a country which needs to feed 1.3 billion people.

Meanwhile official records showed that the amount of available arable land fell sharply in 2007, getting closer to the minimum level Beijing has vowed to retain.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/7373213.stm

spinoza

Yes, because there was a vote. Remember Bush only narrowly won in 2000.

Not only as Brian says are they complaining, but if you remember there was a near revolt back in 1989. Remember Tiananmen? The Chinese haven't forgotten, neither the CCP or the people. Chinese people take a long view, and right now, partly because of Tiananmen, they have a new social contract, property rights and private sector activity. That will do for now. Maybe in 50 years time it won't.

You try suggesting something and see if your suggestion gets taken on board in China.
They don't "love" the socialist system. They can live with it for now. There's a difference. Besides, it's not even really socialist anymore.

ThatOldRedMagic

I've only just spotted this part of the forums - I had no idea such topics were being debated on The Caf.

China eh? Well there are certainly lots of Chinese. And we automatically think of them as being less free, more controlled, having little in the way of meaningful human rights. But as more than one poster has just observed, the west in general and the USA in particular has no monopoly on decency and an unequivocal commitment to upholding such rights.

To me, the main differences between our two broad cultures lie not in the fields of politics or commerce, but in the realms of religious faith. Apart from the rather trendy upsurge in interest in Falun Gong within China, it is essentially a secular society. Its history, furthermore, has very little of the kind of religious belief which characterises the west's culture. Ours is so shaped by christianity that its extent goes largely unnoticed. Saying 'bless you' to a sneeze, the presence of a huge and expensive building in every village, and many more of them in towns, where no-one lives and no practical work or trade is carried on in them (churches); the almost inevitable religious theme in most art, music, sculpture - even poetry - prior to the eighteenth century. The list is endless and yet we hardly notice.

All of this, of course, is the result of a bizarre cult of petty tribal, even village rivalries, played out three thousand years ago within an insignificant and ultimately politically irrelevant group of people in the middle east, and the twin strokes of luck which one of its offshoots received. Firstly, in the early and mid first century CE, when a tormented, shaman-like mystic invented certain theological ideas which he synthesized onto this small cult (and in so doing massively upset those who were actually the stakeholders in the cult, as even the Book of Acts fails entirely to deny) - I refer of course to Saul of Tarsus, later St Paul, who never actually met the man onto whom he foisted his bizarre theologies. And secondly when the George W Bush of the early third century, a guy called Constantine, the Roman Emperor, realised that this new(ish) christianity thing was just the wheeze he needed to save money; trying to contol his empire's troublesome population by force was both costly and uncertain in outcome. These christians, on the other hand, espoused certain beliefs which, in skillful hands, could result in control being achieved internally; imposed from within the individual's beliefs. Thus he declared that the whole of the Empire should henceforth convert to this new religion. Once the Superpower of the day had picked it up and run with it there was no looking back it need hardly be added. This was thus a leg-up provided by good old-fashioned realpolitik, (Constantine cannot have actually believed in it, in spite of his own mother, St Helen's, earlier conversion, as it is well documented that he continued in his own faith - that of the undefeated Sun, or Sol Invictus, until a more or less forcible deathbed conversion of a dying man by bishop Eusebius of Caeserea)

Thus was born the religion based on the myth of christ (as opposed to the Jesus of history, whom all scholars who have tried have concluded is beyond retrieve). When in the early seventh century Islam also emerged from that tiny old Jewish faith the entire toxic mixture was fully in place.

I've gone on too long already, but it seems to me that if there is a spark of hope for humanity it lies in an opportunity to throw off the atrocious shackles of this curse of religious belief. That is as likely to come about via the pre-eminance of China as by any means I can think of. Their associations with Confucius and Buddha, to say nothing of Taoism, are not theistic; they are essentially humanist, and interestingly pre-date christianity by about five centuries in each case; Sidartha Gautama (Buddha), Confucius and Lao-Tzu (founder of Taoism) all lived around 500 BCE

Political tyranny and lack of freedom of the individual in the west and China appear, in any case, to be moving in opposite directions. There is no doubt that even in the past ten years these areas of western life have become more restrictive (why there was a guy on the news the other day who'd got a criminal record for over-filling his rubbish bin!) whilst once the Chinese people get a taste for the liberal aspects of wesern life they are sure to erode the monolith of state control, albeit gradual