European Parliament votes against anti-piracy laws.

shaydun · 11th March 2010, 22:59

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A strong majority of MEPs (663 against and 13 in favour) today voted against the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), arguing that it flouts agreed EU laws on counterfeiting and piracy online.

In addition, the Parliament's decision today states that MEPs will go to the Court of Justice if the EU does not reject ACTA rules, including cutting off users from the Internet "gradually" if caught stealing content.

Though MEPs cannot participate in the ACTA talks, without the consent of the European Parliament, EU negotiators will have to go back to the drawing board and come up with a compromise.

Four MEPs from across national and party lines - Alexander Alvaro, Stavros Lambrinidis, Zuzana Roithova and Françoise Castex, dubbed the four ACTA musketeers - have launched a petition against the agreement, which has collected 31 signatures so far.

NGOs, academics and trade bodies that have studied leaks from the trade talks say the agreement would pave the way for network providers to introduce "US-style draconian" ways to penalise piracy.

Parliament threatens court action on anti-piracy treaty | EurActiv

Interestingly, of the 13 who voted in favour of the new bill, 8 were from the UKIP.

Louis Bontes, Partij voor de Vrijheid
Laurence J.A.J. Stassen, Partij voor de Vrijheid
Daniel van der Stoep, Partij voor de Vrijheid

John Stewart Agnew, UKIP
Marta Andreasen, UKIP
Gerard Batten, UKIP
John Bufton, UKIP
Trevor Coleman, UKIP
William, Earl of Dartmouth, UKIP
Nigel Farage, UKIP
Mike Nattrass, UKIP
Paul Nuttall, UKIP
Nicole Sinclaire, UKIP

esmufc12 · 11th March 2010, 23:03

Surely if they're talking about the internet being a fundamental 'human right', they wouldn't be allowed to cut you off from it?

Team Brian GB · 11th March 2010, 23:08

It won't become a human right because it isn't a part of the European Convention of Human Rights, i.e. our Human Rights Act, which the Conservatives have said time and again they would scrap it and start again as it is so often used anti-socially rather than for the protection of rights.

711 · 11th March 2010, 23:09

I haven't been this bored since double maths.

shaydun · 11th March 2010, 23:13

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Originally Posted by esmufc10

Surely if they're talking about the internet being a fundamental 'human right', they wouldn't be allowed to cut you off from it?

I don't think the article is very clear. To clarify, MEPs are protecting internet users. They have defeated a bill which would have allowed users to be cut off for piracy.
They have prevented 'draconian measures' (from one point of view anyway) from being made law.

Team Brian GB · 11th March 2010, 23:21

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Originally Posted by shaydun

I don't think the article is very clear. To clarify, MEPs are protecting internet users. They have defeated a bill which would have allowed users to be cut off for piracy.
They have prevented 'draconian measures' (from one point of view anyway) from being made law.

Though such laws are being proposed in London, and there is no credible human rights protection to prevent it.

Wibble · 12th March 2010, 04:35

ISPs should no more have to police what their customers do with their connection than phone companies do. If there were affordable ways of downloading then people would use them and the problem disappears.

topper · 12th March 2010, 08:26

I think its disgraceful that a law designed to stop people illegally downloading films tv progs music software etc is stopped/delayed. These download hooligans should be hung drawn n quartered THEN banned from using the Internet.

I will suggest to the authorities that they investigate certain caffites who have practically admitted doing these vile practices and that they should start by examining the posts of that anti religion, extreme lefty, Caff bully and Oz loving thug Wibble

Wibble · 12th March 2010, 09:03

They'll never take me alive*

*or I'll move ISPs whatever is easier.

Team Brian GB · 12th March 2010, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Wibble

They'll never take me alive*

*or I'll move ISPs whatever is easier.

The likelihood is that if laws are designed where your ISP can drop you on the basis of illegal downloading then no other ISPs could take you on leaving you on a blacklist.

sonymobby · 28th January 2012, 20:24

The EU signs up to Acta, but French MEP quits in protest (Wired UK)

What is Acta and why should you be worried about it? - A guide to ACTA (Wired UK)

Haven't seen a new thread about this or any other post. It's seems that they've managed to accomplish something close to SOPA/PIPA but on a global scale.

PJ · 28th January 2012, 20:27

At least the American congress would have a proper mandate.

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11th March 2010, 23:03	#2 (permalink)
esmufc12 Unclean Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,463	Surely if they're talking about the internet being a fundamental 'human right', they wouldn't be allowed to cut you off from it?

11th March 2010, 23:08	#3 (permalink)
Team Brian GB Baby Cameron loves X-Factor Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 16,051	It won't become a human right because it isn't a part of the European Convention of Human Rights, i.e. our Human Rights Act, which the Conservatives have said time and again they would scrap it and start again as it is so often used anti-socially rather than for the protection of rights.

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711 Real Caftard Fantasy Champ 2009 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Would posters please stop listing our own players. We all know who they are and it's driving me fucking mad. Posts: 7,281	I haven't been this bored since double maths.

12th March 2010, 04:35	#7 (permalink)
Wibble Ingadus Speramus Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Centre Back Posts: 49,868	ISPs should no more have to police what their customers do with their connection than phone companies do. If there were affordable ways of downloading then people would use them and the problem disappears.

12th March 2010, 08:26	#8 (permalink)
topper Clown Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: I love librarians Posts: 15,111	I think its disgraceful that a law designed to stop people illegally downloading films tv progs music software etc is stopped/delayed. These download hooligans should be hung drawn n quartered THEN banned from using the Internet. I will suggest to the authorities that they investigate certain caffites who have practically admitted doing these vile practices and that they should start by examining the posts of that anti religion, extreme lefty, Caff bully and Oz loving thug Wibble

12th March 2010, 09:03	#9 (permalink)
Wibble Ingadus Speramus Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Centre Back Posts: 49,868	They'll never take me alive* *or I'll move ISPs whatever is easier.

28th January 2012, 20:24	#11 (permalink)
sonymobby Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,402	The EU signs up to Acta, but French MEP quits in protest (Wired UK) What is Acta and why should you be worried about it? - A guide to ACTA (Wired UK) Haven't seen a new thread about this or any other post. It's seems that they've managed to accomplish something close to SOPA/PIPA but on a global scale.

28th January 2012, 20:27	#12 (permalink)
PJ Mrs Robinson's bit on the side Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Playing guess who with Samuel L Jackson Posts: 15,109	At least the American congress would have a proper mandate.