Explosion in Oslo - govt. headquarters hit

niMic · 22nd July 2011, 20:54

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Originally Posted by Randall Flagg

Sky news site saying as many as 30 dead. Holy shite this is terrible

As Many As 30 Feared Dead In Norway Camp Shooting After Bomb Attack In Capital Oslo Kills At Least 7 | World News | Sky News

That is "old news", and unconfirmed, based on witness accounts from a distance. The confirmed number is now ~10 at Utøya.

Edit: I should say, confirmed at the moment. Eye witness reports suggest the number is much higher.

peterstorey · 22nd July 2011, 20:57

I wouldn't pay much attention to his apparent appearance. The Utoya shooting seems like a particularly horrible twist. My condolences.

Laphroaig · 22nd July 2011, 21:05

BBC seems to be all over the Muslim terrorist angle. At the moment that seems very premature, or outdated.

Eriku · 22nd July 2011, 21:08

Heh... today for me was supposed to be a day where I was going to be with child services and foreign directory colleagues in a house that's meant to be the home to a bundle of Afghan kids, who we're going to stay with and act as aides and parental-ish figures for, after them having received papers that they're granted a stay in Norway. There had been a local paper article recently where some neighbours were concerned about a intake for refugees being in their neighbourhood, which is a false fear as they're not refugees at a half-way home. This is to be their new home where they're to have a chance at integration and education, as well as whatever good experiences of Norwegian life we could give them.

The bombing happened an hour or two before people were to come in (no RSVP, we'd just tossed invites in their mailboxes), nobody showed... I wonder how many were stuck in front of their televisions?

I just hope there's no xenophobic fall-out to this... at least not visibly and politically or socially. I hope we come out of this showing our true, tolerant and non-prejudiced colours.

I thought Stoltenberg's comments to the news were very aptly chosen.

Laphroaig · 22nd July 2011, 21:26

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Originally Posted by Eriku

I just hope there's no xenophobic fall-out to this... at least not visibly and politically or socially. I hope we come out of this showing our true, tolerant and non-prejudiced colours.

It will certainly interesting if this is a Norwegian targeting Labour...

Eriku · 22nd July 2011, 21:33

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Originally Posted by Laphroaig

It will certainly interesting if this is a Norwegian targeting Labour...

I'd like to see FrP spin that!

Laphroaig · 22nd July 2011, 21:38

Yup. I'd much prefer it to be that rather than terrorist attacks.

Was the event you spoke about in Vartdal?

PM speaks now.

Saliph · 22nd July 2011, 21:45

Good speech by Jens.

rednev · 22nd July 2011, 21:58

Just got in and heard the news. For fuck's sake, what a disgusting attack. I'm hearing conflicting reports at the moment - is it known yet who/what is responsible?

Seeing footage of the bodies floating in the water is sickening.

Doevle · 22nd July 2011, 21:58

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Originally Posted by Eriku

I'd like to see FrP spin that!

They'd be stupid to try to take advantage of such a tragedy, and I don't think even they are dumb enough to do something like that. At least I hope so.

Saliph · 22nd July 2011, 21:59

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Originally Posted by rednev

Just got in and heard the news. For fuck's sake, what a disgusting attack. I'm hearing conflicting reports at the moment - is it known yet if this is an Islamic inspired attack?

Seeing footage of the bodies floating in the water is sickening.

Police have apprehended a Norwegian, so it's unlikely it's got to do with Islam.

Sultan · 22nd July 2011, 22:02

My sincere condolences. Sickening events.

rednev · 22nd July 2011, 22:06

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Originally Posted by Saliph

Police have apprehended a Norwegian, so it's unlikely it's got to do with Islam.

That's bizarre. You would assume that an attack of this size would be an organised effort. If a lone nutter was responsible, it's kind of scary that one man can do so much damage.

Laphroaig · 22nd July 2011, 22:10

Police confirms that the same perpetrator is behind both attacks, according to NRK. This is more than likely one lone looney, targeting the government or Labour. Fucking hell, that's fucking crazy. I need a drink.

Saliph · 22nd July 2011, 22:10

Indeed, but I doubt he was solely responsible. And if he was, he must've had some experience with explosives, maybe from the military or something like that.

Seems he/they was/were trying to make a political point, targeting the government and a Labour party youth camp. Either that or he was religiously motivated, and the two targets is just a bizarre coincidence, which doesn't seem likely.

Laphroaig · 22nd July 2011, 22:12

There is absolutely no reason to suggest it is religiously motivated, unless you have the preconceived belief that religion is the root of all evil.

Laphroaig · 22nd July 2011, 22:13

And I didn't like the speech. Them/us, anti-naïvety...

niMic · 22nd July 2011, 22:14

Picture (be warned):

Spoiler

I am not 100% sure what this image is showing. He might be a police officer. But I am fairly sure the police that went to the island were of the special forces variety. That guy isn't exactly dressed like that? I don't know.

Also unclear how many of those shapes are actually people.

Saliph · 22nd July 2011, 22:18

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There is absolutely no reason to suggest it is religiously motivated, unless you have the preconceived belief that religion is the root of all evil.

Wouldn't rule it out.

And no, clearly religion is not the root of all evil. It'll have to settle for "a lot".

Maroon Lucifer · 22nd July 2011, 22:21

I hope this idiot was a military trained bomb builder, because if this is something he just found on the internet... well that makes it more scary.

Saliph · 22nd July 2011, 22:21

Highly probable the number of deaths at Utøya will rise, according to the police.

Lester Freamon · 22nd July 2011, 22:21

Let's not make assumptions when we know so little.

Just feel numb, it's hard to fathom it's real.

Laphroaig · 22nd July 2011, 22:22

10 confirmed dead on Utøya, but there will be more.

Eriku · 22nd July 2011, 22:24

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Originally Posted by Laphroaig

Yup. I'd much prefer it to be that rather than terrorist attacks.

Was the event you spoke about in Vartdal?

PM speaks now.

Nah, Ørsta... moved there. Vartdal's a bit too out of the way for such a housing project... by Sunnmøre standards I mean, I know full-well Sunnmøre in its entirety is out of the way.

Saliph · 22nd July 2011, 22:25

Undetonated explosives found at Utøya according to police.

rednev · 22nd July 2011, 22:29

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There is absolutely no reason to suggest it is religiously motivated, unless you have the preconceived belief that religion is the root of all evil.

I just arrived home and saw it on the news, alongside a mention of some Islamist group, so I just assumed it probably was religiously motivated. If it isn't, then you have to wonder just what the feck motivated this person(s) to do what he/they did, among other questions. For starters, where the Hell does a lone nutter get a machine gun?

Twisted_Woody · 22nd July 2011, 22:34

This is insane. Anyone 'taken credit' yet?

Saliph · 22nd July 2011, 22:36

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Originally Posted by Twisted_Woody

This is fucked. Anyone 'taken credit' yet?

Yes, some Islamic group. But it's improbable that the man in custody has ties to them.

brad-dyrak · 22nd July 2011, 22:36

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Originally Posted by rednev

That's bizarre. You would assume that an attack of this size would be an organised effort. If a lone nutter was responsible, it's kind of scary that one man can do so much damage.

I remember when many thought that over the FBI bombing in Oklahoma. It was a couple of days before it was clear the assholes were homegrown.

Anyway, fuck this. What did Norwegian kids do to deserve anything like this? If I had to guess it's a deranged gun-nut death metal thing.

RIP innocents.

Justin · 22nd July 2011, 22:36

Damn, quite a shock to wake up and read this on the news.

Maroon Lucifer · 22nd July 2011, 22:37

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Originally Posted by Saliph

Yes, some Islamic group. But it's improbable that the man in custody has ties to them.

TV2 say that they retracted their claim of responsibility.

Saliph · 22nd July 2011, 22:38

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Originally Posted by Maroon Lucifer

TV2 say that they retracted their claim of responsibility.

Opportunistic assholes.

"Yes we did it, fuck you"
Man arrested
"Fine, it wasn't us"

brad-dyrak · 22nd July 2011, 22:39

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Originally Posted by rednev

I just arrived home and saw it on the news, alongside a mention of some Islamist group, so I just assumed it probably was religiously motivated. If it isn't, then you have to wonder just what the feck motivated this person(s) to do what he/they did, among other questions. For starters, where the Hell does a lone nutter get a machine gun?

I've read the arsenals of some of the Norwegian bikers are ridiculous. I read at one point they had rocket launchers from an armory they raided way back when (this would be from a very dated article now).

Laphroaig · 22nd July 2011, 22:39

Sun's front page: "Al-Qaeda Massacre - Norway's 9/11"

Oh my

Laphroaig · 22nd July 2011, 22:41

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Originally Posted by brad-dyrak

Anyway, fuck this. What did Norwegian kids do to deserve anything like this? If I had to guess it's a deranged gun-nut death metal thing.

Spot on, if it isn't muslims it has to be fucking death metal fans.

Twisted_Woody · 22nd July 2011, 22:43

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Originally Posted by Laphroaig

Spot on, if it isn't muslims it has to be fucking death metal fans.

black metal I'd assume...Varg strikes again?

Varg Vikernes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

niMic · 22nd July 2011, 22:44

PRESS RELEASE: Dr. Terry Jones - Response to Terrorist Attack in Oslo, Norway | Stand Up America

It's very strange, in some ways I am "happy" that this has all the signs of domestic terrorism. It obviously angers me greatly that a Norwegian could do this to a bunch of civilians, most of them just kids, but at the very least this will not in the end fan the flames of the right-wing xenophobia.

evra · 22nd July 2011, 22:45

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Originally Posted by Laphroaig

Sun front page: "Al-Qaeda Massacre - Norway's 9/11"

Oh my

When I was in Exeter there was a white English guy from Plymouth that had been taken in by this fundamentalist nonsense. He became completely devout and eventually he tried to bomb a restaurant, thankfully he was clearly too slow to even manage that but all the same he had an actual nail bomb. It wouldn't surprise me if this Norwegian was a convert who had signed up to the extremist doctrine.

Laphroaig · 22nd July 2011, 22:49

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Originally Posted by niMic

PRESS RELEASE: Dr. Terry Jones - Response to Terrorist Attack in Oslo, Norway | Stand Up America

It's very strange, in some ways I am "happy" that this has all the signs of domestic terrorism. It obviously angers me greatly that a Norwegian could do this to a bunch of civilians, most of them just kids, but at the very least this will not in the end fan the flames of the right-wing xenophobia.

We have an election coming up. If this is muslim terrorism it could help lead to a FrP government, and that would hurt us immensely. I absolutely hope this is a Norwegian with a sick mind.

niMic · 22nd July 2011, 22:51

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Originally Posted by Laphroaig

We have an election coming up. If this is muslim terrorism it could help lead to a FrP government, and that would hurt us immensely. I absolutely hope this is a Norwegian with a sick mind.

Yes, exactly. I feel slightly ashamed thinking about it like that, but it's absolutely on my mind.

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22nd July 2011, 20:57	#162 (permalink)
peterstorey Bitter Arse hole Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Happy those, who can remain at Highbury! Posts: 25,989	I wouldn't pay much attention to his apparent appearance. The Utoya shooting seems like a particularly horrible twist. My condolences.

22nd July 2011, 21:05	#163 (permalink)
Laphroaig First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: By the Light of a Magical Moon Posts: 13,318	BBC seems to be all over the Muslim terrorist angle. At the moment that seems very premature, or outdated.

22nd July 2011, 21:08	#164 (permalink)
Eriku First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ørsta, Norway Posts: 8,176	Heh... today for me was supposed to be a day where I was going to be with child services and foreign directory colleagues in a house that's meant to be the home to a bundle of Afghan kids, who we're going to stay with and act as aides and parental-ish figures for, after them having received papers that they're granted a stay in Norway. There had been a local paper article recently where some neighbours were concerned about a intake for refugees being in their neighbourhood, which is a false fear as they're not refugees at a half-way home. This is to be their new home where they're to have a chance at integration and education, as well as whatever good experiences of Norwegian life we could give them. The bombing happened an hour or two before people were to come in (no RSVP, we'd just tossed invites in their mailboxes), nobody showed... I wonder how many were stuck in front of their televisions? I just hope there's no xenophobic fall-out to this... at least not visibly and politically or socially. I hope we come out of this showing our true, tolerant and non-prejudiced colours. I thought Stoltenberg's comments to the news were very aptly chosen.

22nd July 2011, 21:38	#167 (permalink)
Laphroaig First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: By the Light of a Magical Moon Posts: 13,318	Yup. I'd much prefer it to be that rather than terrorist attacks. Was the event you spoke about in Vartdal? PM speaks now.

22nd July 2011, 21:45	#168 (permalink)
Saliph Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 3,948	Good speech by Jens.

22nd July 2011, 21:58	#169 (permalink)
rednev Suarez of the year Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 18,827	Just got in and heard the news. For fuck's sake, what a disgusting attack. I'm hearing conflicting reports at the moment - is it known yet who/what is responsible? Seeing footage of the bodies floating in the water is sickening.

22nd July 2011, 22:02	#172 (permalink)
Sultan السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: It is better for a leader to make a mistake in forgiving than to make a mistake in punishing Posts: 31,450	My sincere condolences. Sickening events.

22nd July 2011, 22:10	#174 (permalink)
Laphroaig First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: By the Light of a Magical Moon Posts: 13,318	Police confirms that the same perpetrator is behind both attacks, according to NRK. This is more than likely one lone looney, targeting the government or Labour. Fucking hell, that's fucking crazy. I need a drink.

22nd July 2011, 22:10	#175 (permalink)
Saliph Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 3,948	Indeed, but I doubt he was solely responsible. And if he was, he must've had some experience with explosives, maybe from the military or something like that. Seems he/they was/were trying to make a political point, targeting the government and a Labour party youth camp. Either that or he was religiously motivated, and the two targets is just a bizarre coincidence, which doesn't seem likely.

22nd July 2011, 22:12	#176 (permalink)
Laphroaig First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: By the Light of a Magical Moon Posts: 13,318	There is absolutely no reason to suggest it is religiously motivated, unless you have the preconceived belief that religion is the root of all evil.

22nd July 2011, 22:13	#177 (permalink)
Laphroaig First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: By the Light of a Magical Moon Posts: 13,318	And I didn't like the speech. Them/us, anti-naïvety...

22nd July 2011, 22:14	#178 (permalink)
niMic may peace and blessings of God be upon me Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: And I'm all out of bubblegum. Posts: 10,781	Picture (be warned): Spoiler I am not 100% sure what this image is showing. He might be a police officer. But I am fairly sure the police that went to the island were of the special forces variety. That guy isn't exactly dressed like that? I don't know. Also unclear how many of those shapes are actually people.

22nd July 2011, 22:21	#180 (permalink)
Maroon Lucifer Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Klaksvík, Faroe Islands Posts: 3,732	I hope this idiot was a military trained bomb builder, because if this is something he just found on the internet... well that makes it more scary.

22nd July 2011, 22:21	#181 (permalink)
Saliph Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 3,948	Highly probable the number of deaths at Utøya will rise, according to the police.

22nd July 2011, 22:21	#182 (permalink)
Lester Freamon Aka Caveman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Republik of Berbonia Posts: 6,824	Let's not make assumptions when we know so little. Just feel numb, it's hard to fathom it's real.

22nd July 2011, 22:22	#183 (permalink)
Laphroaig First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: By the Light of a Magical Moon Posts: 13,318	10 confirmed dead on Utøya, but there will be more.

22nd July 2011, 22:25	#185 (permalink)
Saliph Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 3,948	Undetonated explosives found at Utøya according to police.

22nd July 2011, 22:34	#187 (permalink)
Twisted_Woody Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,481	This is insane. Anyone 'taken credit' yet?

22nd July 2011, 22:36	#190 (permalink)
Justin First Team Regular Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 25,109	Damn, quite a shock to wake up and read this on the news.

22nd July 2011, 22:39	#194 (permalink)
Laphroaig First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: By the Light of a Magical Moon Posts: 13,318	Sun's front page: "Al-Qaeda Massacre - Norway's 9/11" Oh my

22nd July 2011, 22:44	#197 (permalink)
niMic may peace and blessings of God be upon me Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: And I'm all out of bubblegum. Posts: 10,781	PRESS RELEASE: Dr. Terry Jones - Response to Terrorist Attack in Oslo, Norway \| Stand Up America It's very strange, in some ways I am "happy" that this has all the signs of domestic terrorism. It obviously angers me greatly that a Norwegian could do this to a bunch of civilians, most of them just kids, but at the very least this will not in the end fan the flames of the right-wing xenophobia.