Homosexuality - Were people born Homosexual?

Wizard Keyaz

Who in the Caf think homosexuals were born as homosexuals?

Pogue Mahone

Me.

And I'm a psychiatrist.

Ner ner ner ner ner.

EspadaYdaga

some probably were others developed later after liking what they saw in the boys toilets at school

Eyepopper

Almost every gay person in the world...

and these people from Seattle
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...cience19m.html

I_live_cement

Of course you are born gay. Only an idiot or a religious freak would think otherwise.

KeyserSoze

Im not sure.

I personally think some people were born with homosexual tendencies and it is down to their environment or culture etc whether they embrace it further. Not sure if people who dont are in the closet so to speak or grow out of it.

Spoonatov

I reckon most of them are born like that.

Wizard clearly putts from the rough.

peterstorey

Think about your own sexuality. If people told you it was 'wrong' to lust after girls, tried to socialise you out of it, even showed you pictures of tits while applying electric shocks to your todger it wouldn't stop you chasing fanny would it?

EspadaYdaga

where do i sign?

Mihajlovic

some of them are, some aren't. what about those hetero blokes who become gay but then after awhile turn hetero again. they are clearly not born homosexual.

WeasteDevil

WeasteDevil

They, like me, are simply called: Dirty Bastards.

GloryHunter07

The old nature vs nurture debate. Personally i think its a bit of both to be honest.

Eyepopper

I thought I was gay for a long while until I actually contemplated what was physically involved... then I got sick..

WeasteDevil

Having to lovingly caress another man and kiss him on the lips while he slowly rubs the inside of your leg slowly approaching your left bollock?

I agree, it's odd.

Dick up the bum though, why not?

cockneyred

homosexuality is a pain in the arse

WeasteDevil

It doesn't have to be painful.

Wibble

You are asking the wrong question.

The answers is that at least some if not most gay people almost certainly do have a genetic predisposition to being gay. But just about nobody makes a concious choice to be gay.

Pimpmofo

I don't think most people would choose it if they had a choice. That sounds terrible and makes me sound like a homophobe, which I'm not. I'm sure there's some that are doing it just for the attention, but most would not make a conscious choice to be ridiculed by the ignorant half of society.

I know for myself that if I was being constantly harrassed I would change what was causing the harrassment if it was possible, but for them it's not. They are who they are.

As far as religion, I am a non-believer, so that doesn't play a part in my thinking.

As far as the institution of marriage, what I have with my wife is wonderful, and I wish everybody could experience something similar. I don't know if a peice of paper saying we're married really matters, but that should be our choice, not some homophobic judges choice.

It is kind of wrong that if a person doesn't conform to the so-called norm (heterosexual, married, average number of kids, etc) they don't get the benefits of their employment that the heterosexual family gets, although in the US (don't know about other places) the times, they are a' changing. More and more businesses are offering benefits to "life partners".

When it comes down to it though, I do get sick of hearing about gay rights. They should be treated the same but some groups want more rights than the average citizen gets. The gay pride shit gets kind of old too. I live my life the way I think is right and don't push my beliefs or morals on other people and that's the way I want to be treated from others too.

Rant over.

Number7

Well said.

peterstorey

Sexuality is a continuum - most people are largely down one end or the other (or up one end or the other) but there are some people who are more in the middle.

brophs

Being attracted to someone is a pretty base thing, your body can't just fake it-particularly if you're with someone of the same sex, and you're not sexually interested in people of that gender.

Any of my mates who are gay say they knew very early on in life, before they were 9 or 10. At that age you haven't really began to become sexually aware, so if they know that about themselves at that age, then it seems to me that it must be something inherent in the person, rather than any sort of choice.

Mihajlovic

I dont understand that.

All Im saying is I dont believe all gays have a genetical predisposition of becoming gay because there are thousands of gays who become and stay heterosexual.

nickm

I think the word you are looking for there is bisexual.

EspadaYdaga

what about those men who have a sex change but end up with a woman in a lesbian relationship - that seems a bit pointless

Roger

Bend over and I'll tell you.

WeasteDevil

That's because they don't feel comfortable with body hair, a cock, balls, and lack of breasts.

The Hairdryer

I believe some of us are prewired to be homosexual.


For 95% of human history we have lived in polygamous relationships, meaning that one man had two or more wives. This means that over 50% of males, in some cultures up to 80% of males, did not have the opportunity to mate with females so they have sexual encounters with other men to satisfy the natural urge to mate.

In some cultures it was even encouraged.

Count Duckula

I don't know. I think there's a genetic dispostion towards it in some people, but that's not the be all and end all. Where free choice exists (such as -- we like to think -- in modern society), then we get the fair results of our genes. The vast majority are heterosexual, but some are homosexual.

However, I do believe that society ("nurture", if you want) can have an incredibly important role to play. For many years in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries being gay was actually a crime, and many men supressed it. They lead normal, heterosexual lives, and whilst they may have had to constantly surpress urges, I do believe that they probably developed a level of affection for their wives and became, at least slightly, heterosexual.

On the other hand, in some cultures homosexuality was actively encouraged. The famous example is, of course, the Spartans, where in order to breed a sense of loyalty and commitment to fellow soldiers, the ranks were encouraged to form homosexual relationships. Now I don't believe that every Spartan was predisposed to be gay, but the male majority certainly felt no real qualms about becoming so when it came to male bonding. In that circumstance I think society, by removing any sense of taboo from the situation, just made it a case of normality. It does have to be noted, however, that most Spartan men also married and had children, so they were not purely homosexual. They did, though, spend far more time with their male lovers than their wives, purely by nature of a soldier's lot in life.

cesc's_mullet

I vote yes.

You simply do not choose to be homosexual. You may choose to act like one, but you're either born one or you're not.

zain

What about paedos then?