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Old 7th May 2008, 17:46   #41 (permalink)
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Horrible as the results of that incident were, I think you'll find differences in methodology:

Irgun leader Menachem Begin stressed his desire to avoid civilian casualties and said three telephone calls were placed, one to the hotel, another to the French Consulate, and a third to the Palestine Post, warning that explosives in the King David Hotel would soon be detonated.

On July 22, 1946, the calls were made. The call into the hotel was apparently received and ignored. Begin quotes one British official who supposedly refused to evacuate the building, saying: "We don't take orders from the Jews."1 As a result, when the bombs exploded, the casualty toll was high: a total of 91 killed and 45 injured. Among the casualties were 15 Jews. Few people in the hotel proper were injured by the blast.2

In contrast to Arab attacks against Jews, which were widely hailed as heroic actions, the Jewish National Council denounced the bombing of the King David.3

For decades the British denied they had been warned. In 1979, however, a member of the British Parliament introduced evidence that the Irgun had indeed issued the warning. He offered the testimony of a British officer who heard other officers in the King David Hotel bar joking about a Zionist threat to the headquarters. The officer who overheard the conversation immediately left the hotel and survived.4

1. Menachem Begin, The Revolt, (NY: Nash Publishing, 1977), p. 224.

2. J. Bowyer Bell, Terror Out Of Zion, (NY: St. Martin's Press), p. 172.

3. Anne Sinai and I. Robert Sinai, Israel and the Arabs: Prelude to the Jewish State, (NY: Facts on File, 1972), p. 83.

4. Benjamin Netanyahu, ed., "International Terrorism: Challenge And Response," Proceedings of the Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism, July 2*5, 1979, (Jerusalem: The Jonathan Institute, 1980), p. 45.
Be that as it may, I was of the understanding there was intelligence before hand of the bombing (but that as obvious as that), however you cannot be surprised when or attempt to shift responsibility when a bomb you are responsible for detonates and kills people.

I wasn't aware that Irgun were acting on their own accord and not that of the Israeli higher echelons,though that is what is ironic about this situation as the case is the same today with Palestinians taking it upon themselves to attack Israel, but Israel then using it against the Palestinian authorities (though Hamas running the administration now destorts that) when it was employed by Israel successfully.


However I didn't wish to hijack the thread with the issue of Palestine, so congratulations for this evening and have a good one.
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Old 7th May 2008, 17:49   #42 (permalink)
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Spanish and Portuguese in origin, but there are quite a lot in France, Turkey and Argentina

A lot of people use the term for the ones from Arab countries (and Iran) too, but they're Mizrahis.
Argie ones are mostly Ashkenazi, who fled Russia and Poland following the late 19th century pogroms, although some Argie Jews are descendants of the 1492 refugees.
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Old 7th May 2008, 17:57   #43 (permalink)
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Be that as it may, I was of the understanding there was intelligence before hand of the bombing (but that as obvious as that), however you cannot be surprised when or attempt to shift responsibility when a bomb you are responsible for detonates and kills people.

I wasn't aware that Irgun were acting on their own accord and not that of the Israeli higher echelons,though that is what is ironic about this situation as the case is the same today with Palestinians taking it upon themselves to attack Israel, but Israel then using it against the Palestinian authorities (though Hamas running the administration now destorts that) when it was employed by Israel successfully.


However I didn't wish to hijack the thread with the issue of Palestine, so congratulations for this evening and have a good one.
The fact that the attacked hotel section was an army HQ also makes a difference, but we can continue this on another day.

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Old 7th May 2008, 18:29   #44 (permalink)
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Old 7th May 2008, 19:40   #45 (permalink)
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Spanish and Portuguese in origin, but there are quite a lot in France, Turkey and Argentina

A lot of people use the term for the ones from Arab countries (and Iran) too, but they're Mizrahis.
OK, but did they end up in Turkey, Argentina and France after trekking through a lot of North Africa? Because things like matboucha are apparently Sephardic, but from Yemen...

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No, they are fucking Matza balls. Good thing they didn't let you into this place, you ignorant cnut.
They're pointless in soup. You want something to bulk up the soup, try chicken.

However, if stuffed with a little bit of meat and fried, they become a great riff on falafel...
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Old 7th May 2008, 19:52   #46 (permalink)
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Latkes, for instance, are rubbish. So are Kneidlach.


Chicken soup with Kneidlach can be pretty decent.

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Chicken soup with Kneidlach can be pretty decent.

My granny does that. Feck I am hungry now.
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Old 7th May 2008, 20:05   #49 (permalink)
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On a sidenote: Half the "Current Events" forum is about Israel
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Old 7th May 2008, 23:53   #51 (permalink)
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Who cares? I don't see any topics celebrating independence of:



* Afghanistan (332)
* Albania (98)
* Algeria (79)
* Andorra (99)
* Angola (56)
* Antigua and Barbuda (109)
* Argentina (2319)\"[new]\"
* Armenia (227)
* Australia (91797)\"[new]\"
* Austria (2071)
* Azerbaijan (134)
* Bahamas (1035)
* Bahrain (151)
* Bangladesh (494)
* Barbados (266)
* Belarus (219)
* Belgium (4321)
* Belize (763)
* Benin (24)
* Bhutan (98)
* Bolivia (246)
* Bosnia and Herzegovina (232)
* Botswana (165)
* Brazil (3302)\"[new]\"
* Brunei (244)
* Bulgaria (891)
* Burkina Faso (48)
* Burundi (36)
* Cambodia (353)
* Cameroon (68)
* Canada (130612)\"[new]\"
* Cape Verde (28)
* Central African Republic (22)
* Chad (46)
* Chile (1217)
* China (11589)\"[new]\"
* Colombia (605)
* Comoros (34)
* Congo (Brazzaville) (34)
* Congo, Democratic Republic of the (77)
* Costa Rica (1263)
* Côte d'Ivoire (75)
* Croatia (860)
* Cuba (370)
* Cyprus (886)
* Czech Republic (2717)\"[new]\"
* Denmark (4718)
* Djibouti (23)
* Dominica (109)
* Dominican Republic (584)
* East Timor (Timor Timur) (45)
* Ecuador (599)
* Egypt (1037)
* El Salvador (187)
* Equatorial Guinea (32)
* Eritrea (37)
* Estonia (483)
* Ethiopia (150)
* Fiji (332)
* Finland (2714)
* France (20423)\"[new]\"
* Gabon (28)
* Gambia, The (73)
* Georgia (246)
* Germany (9984)\"[new]\"
* Ghana (186)
* Greece (5851)\"[new]\"
* Grenada (115)
* Guatemala (291)
* Guinea (29)
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* Guyana (92)
* Haiti (109)
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* Jordan (717)
* Kazakhstan (153)
* Kenya (494)
* Kiribati (20)
* Korea, North (131)
* Korea, South (4105)\"[new]\"
* Kuwait (267)
* Kyrgyzstan (72)
* Laos (117)
* Latvia (425)
* Lebanon (800)
* Lesotho (24)
* Liberia (61)
* Libya (80)
* Liechtenstein (76)
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* Luxembourg (322)
* Macedonia, Former Yugoslav Republic of (242)
* Madagascar (93)
* Malawi (99)
* Malaysia (7307)\"[new]\"
* Maldives (150)
* Mali (67)
* Malta (496)
* Marshall Islands (32)
* Mauritania (72)
* Mauritius (162)
* Mexico (5097)\"[new]\"
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* Moldova (99)
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* Mongolia (229)
* Montenegro (30)
* Morocco (298)
* Mozambique (55)
* Myanmar (Burma) (261)\"[new]\"
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* Nauru (23)
* Nepal (759)
* Netherlands (11286)\"[new]\"
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* Nicaragua (164)
* Niger (48)
* Nigeria (323)\"[new]\"
* Norway (1906)
* Oman (133)
* Pakistan (1870)
* Palau (40)
* Panama (317)
* Papua New Guinea (201)
* Paraguay (86)
* Peru (920)
* Philippines (5553)\"[new]\"
* Poland (1440)
* Portugal (1815)\"[new]\"
* Qatar (135)\"[new]\"
* Romania (1079)
* Russia (3535)\"[new]\"
* Rwanda (60)
* Saint Kitts and Nevis (56)
* Saint Lucia (99)
* Saint Vincent and The Grenadines (70)
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* San Marino (44)
* Sao Tome and Principe (28)
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Old 8th May 2008, 00:04   #52 (permalink)
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Who cares? I don't see any topics celebrating independence of:

[here were inserted the names of around 195 nations including Israel and some country called "Web Directories@"]
Well, then why don't you start one instead of complaining about this thread?

Do you also go on the Entertainment Forum and list hundreds of rock bands on whom no one has started a thread?
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Old 8th May 2008, 00:28   #53 (permalink)
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Anyway, independnce day food is
Middle eastern Barbeque is the best
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Well, then why don't you start one instead of complaining about this thread?

Do you also go on the Entertainment Forum and list hundreds of rock bands on whom no one has started a thread?
no, but then again, nobody over there posts a topic celebrating the birthday of their favorite singer...every single year.
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Old 8th May 2008, 04:03   #55 (permalink)
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Who cares? I don't see any topics celebrating independence of:



* Afghanistan (332)
* Albania (98)
* Algeria (79)
* Andorra (99)
* Angola (56)
* Antigua and Barbuda (109)
* Argentina (2319)\"[new]\"
* Armenia (227)
* Australia (91797)\"[new]\"
* Austria (2071)
* Azerbaijan (134)
* Bahamas (1035)
* Bahrain (151)
* Bangladesh (494)
* Barbados (266)
* Belarus (219)
* Belgium (4321)
* Belize (763)
* Benin (24)
* Bhutan (98)
* Bolivia (246)
* Bosnia and Herzegovina (232)
* Botswana (165)
* Brazil (3302)\"[new]\"
* Brunei (244)
* Bulgaria (891)
* Burkina Faso (48)
* Burundi (36)
* Cambodia (353)
* Cameroon (68)
* Canada (130612)\"[new]\"
* Cape Verde (28)
* Central African Republic (22)
* Chad (46)
* Chile (1217)
* China (11589)\"[new]\"
* Colombia (605)
* Comoros (34)
* Congo (Brazzaville) (34)
* Congo, Democratic Republic of the (77)
* Costa Rica (1263)
* Côte d'Ivoire (75)
* Croatia (860)
* Cuba (370)
* Cyprus (886)
* Czech Republic (2717)\"[new]\"
* Denmark (4718)
* Djibouti (23)
* Dominica (109)
* Dominican Republic (584)
* East Timor (Timor Timur) (45)
* Ecuador (599)
* Egypt (1037)
* El Salvador (187)
* Equatorial Guinea (32)
* Eritrea (37)
* Estonia (483)
* Ethiopia (150)
* Fiji (332)
* Finland (2714)
* France (20423)\"[new]\"
* Gabon (28)
* Gambia, The (73)
* Georgia (246)
* Germany (9984)\"[new]\"
* Ghana (186)
* Greece (5851)\"[new]\"
* Grenada (115)
* Guatemala (291)
* Guinea (29)
* Guinea-Bissau (16)
* Guyana (92)
* Haiti (109)
* Honduras (218)
* Hungary (1002)\"[new]\"
* Iceland (1091)
* India (30016)\"[new]\"
* Indonesia (5200)
* Iran (896)
* Iraq (369)
* Ireland (16394)\"[new]\"
* Israel (4125)\"[new]\"
* Italy (15517)\"[new]\"
* Jamaica (606)
* Japan (7394)
* Jordan (717)
* Kazakhstan (153)
* Kenya (494)
* Kiribati (20)
* Korea, North (131)
* Korea, South (4105)\"[new]\"
* Kuwait (267)
* Kyrgyzstan (72)
* Laos (117)
* Latvia (425)
* Lebanon (800)
* Lesotho (24)
* Liberia (61)
* Libya (80)
* Liechtenstein (76)
* Lithuania (423)
* Luxembourg (322)
* Macedonia, Former Yugoslav Republic of (242)
* Madagascar (93)
* Malawi (99)
* Malaysia (7307)\"[new]\"
* Maldives (150)
* Mali (67)
* Malta (496)
* Marshall Islands (32)
* Mauritania (72)
* Mauritius (162)
* Mexico (5097)\"[new]\"
* Micronesia, Federated States of (101)
* Moldova (99)
* Monaco (199)
* Mongolia (229)
* Montenegro (30)
* Morocco (298)
* Mozambique (55)
* Myanmar (Burma) (261)\"[new]\"
* Namibia (182)
* Nauru (23)
* Nepal (759)
* Netherlands (11286)\"[new]\"
* New Zealand (22073)\"[new]\"
* Nicaragua (164)
* Niger (48)
* Nigeria (323)\"[new]\"
* Norway (1906)
* Oman (133)
* Pakistan (1870)
* Palau (40)
* Panama (317)
* Papua New Guinea (201)
* Paraguay (86)
* Peru (920)
* Philippines (5553)\"[new]\"
* Poland (1440)
* Portugal (1815)\"[new]\"
* Qatar (135)\"[new]\"
* Romania (1079)
* Russia (3535)\"[new]\"
* Rwanda (60)
* Saint Kitts and Nevis (56)
* Saint Lucia (99)
* Saint Vincent and The Grenadines (70)
* Samoa (49)
* San Marino (44)
* Sao Tome and Principe (28)
* Saudi Arabia (560)
* Senegal (98)
* Serbia (558)
* Seychelles (187)
* Sierra Leone (42)
* Singapore (11405)
* Slovakia (439)
* Slovenia (579)
* Solomon Islands (63)
* Somalia (86)
* South Africa (7127)
* Spain (10219)\"[new]\"
* Sri Lanka (825)
* Sudan (241)
* Suriname (45)
* Swaziland (41)
* Sweden (4379)\"[new]\"
* Switzerland (5232)\"[new]\"
* Syria (366)
* Taiwan (4597)\"[new]\"
* Tajikistan (49)
* Tanzania (304)
* Thailand (7056)
* Togo (49)
* Tonga (103)
* Trinidad and Tobago (284)
* Tunisia (124)
* Turkey (2392)\"[new]\"
* Turkmenistan (49)
* Tuvalu (27)
* Uganda (190)
* Ukraine (853)
* United Arab Emirates (1062)
* United Kingdom (212958)\"[new]\"
* United States (7474)\"[new]\"
* Uruguay (182)
* Uzbekistan (173)
* Vanuatu (59)
* Vatican City (86)
* Venezuela (807)
* Vietnam (956)
* Web Directories@
* Western Sahara (11)
* Yemen (121)
* Zambia (102)
* Zimbabwe (235)

Bloody hell. That was one busy day 60 years ago.
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no, but then again, nobody over there posts a topic celebrating the birthday of their favorite singer...every single year.
What a relief. This way people who don't care about that singer don't post in that thread lists of other singers. If they did I'd say they actually obsessed with that singer even if they started their post with "who cares".
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Who cares? I don't see any topics celebrating independence of:
1. Most of the people contributing to this thread obviously care,

2. I don't know where you got that list from and what the numbers are supposed to mean but
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Nistleyrooy10, you're being a tad bit harsh mate; if your people have gone through almost a century of catastrophes and horrendous struggles then celebrating 60 years of indepedance does mean a hell of a lot, specially for the elderly as you can imagine.
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Nistleyrooy10, you're being a tad bit harsh mate; if your people have gone through almost a century of catastrophes and horrendous struggles then celebrating 60 years of indepedance does mean a hell of a lot, specially for the elderly as you can imagine.
You are opening a can of worms there.

On another note, happy birthday Israel.

I hope in a few years we are celebrating the birthdays of both the Israeli and Palestinian states.
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Happy birthday. israel = hot chicks in uniforms.
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