Israel strikes at the Hamas gunmen

Nistelrooy10

Good for them I say, those kids looked dangerous. Not to mention the Reuters reporters clearly marked "TV" and "Press" with anti-tank devices hidden in cameras. Nothing like tanks and air strikes to get rid of that human garbage



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7351024.stm

ooeat0meoo

Now, ya dunnit...

Holylandred is going to be after you now.


How dare you point out that the Israeli Army is wrong for accidently killing BBC journalists!?

McLovin

"Collateral Damage"

holyland red

The journalists there knew it was coming, and much as it's sad that innocent lives are lost you'd have to admit that "TV" and "PRESS" signs on Gaza vehicles can't really offer the same level of protection they do elsewhere.



Palestinian gunmen who used a vehicle disguised as a television truck to assault an IDF position at the Kissufim crossing between Gaza and Israel on Saturday drew sharp condemnations from journalists who charged that the incident, the first of its kind, would make their jobs more dangerous than ever.


A jeep used by Islamic Jihad operatives to attack an the IDF position is seen clearly marked with "TV" and "Press" following the gunbattle on the border between Israel and Gaza.
Photo: AP , AP

Slideshow: Pictures of the week Both the Foreign Press Association in Israel and the Palestinian Journalists Association have issued statements condemning the Gaza gunmen who used a vehicle with TV markings to facilitate access to the border so that they could launch an assault on military personnel stationed there.

In Saturday's attack, four gunmen drove a white jeep with press markings in English and Arabic up to the Gaza-Israel border, penetrated the border fence and assaulted a guard tower in what Islamic Jihad and the army said was a failed attempt to capture an Israeli soldier. IDF troops killed one gunman, while the others escaped.

The attackers, from Islamic Jihad and the Fatah movement of Palestinian Authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas, abandoned the jeep. AP photographs show a white armored vehicle of a type used by reporters, its windshield pocked by bullet holes, bearing red markings reading "TV" and "Press."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1181228588087&pagename=JPost%2FJPArt icle%2FShowFull

Mihajlovic

"A Hamas ambush in northern Gaza killed three Israeli troops..."

Stop ambushing. Maybe then things like that wont happen.

ooeat0meoo

HR,

You need to be an understanding person when all support for the state of Israel comes to a crashing halt.

At some point the world is going to say, enough is enough. There is almost never a time when the Israeli Army apologises for the heavy handed 'slaughter everything in sight' techniques ~ then justify the damage, no matter how rediculous the justification sounds.

anything about now

So killing three of their troops is justification to fire missiles at random civilians and women/children ?

Fearless

I agree.

Mihajlovic

Justification?

Dude, the Hamas terrorists know exactly what is going to happen whenever they start ambushing and shelling, they know Israel is gonna hit back hard, this is a law already, which makes me wonder how do Palestinians justify their attacks when they know what the consequences are going to be?

Nistelrooy10

I'm not questioning their going after the gunmen, I'm questioning them using ridiculous tactics to do so. Using tanks and air strikes to attack some gunmen with ak-47...well, they know civilians are going to get killed, and they do it anyways.

holyland red

hmm...now you're 1.5 miles away in your tank, and despite your sensitivity for innocent lives you also have responsibility for your own family and those of your crew mwmbers. Yes, and that little matter of wanting to live past the age of 20. do you shoot or not? Remember Bob, you make that decision in a tank on the Israeli-Gaza border and not in SF...and you have 3-5 seconds to make the right one.

ooeat0meoo

Yeah, but I thought it was this pick-up truck - not some guy with a camera.



I feel as if you are attempting to start up another 'Photo War'? If you do that, the mods are going to move this thread, ya know.


I get your point, and it is well taken. But I wonder if you fully grasp the depth of my complaints about Israel and it's heavy handed way of dealing with things that might have a better approach?

Alex

Are you kidding, that's what the Palestinians have been doing for years. It's nice little cycle of violence over there, one side kills a few from another, then vice versa

holyland red

Thanks for the friendly warning Bob.

I am aware of the depth of your "complaints", which is why I don't bether arguing with you. However, "your complaints" are not the subject of the thread. The Israeli-Gaza border is a war zone, and despite your complaints Israel is forced to fight this war. Unfortunately, innocent people get caught in the exchanges like the poor guy pictured on the left.

As always with your complaints, you are clueless on some basic facts. The guy wasn't only outside the vehicle, he was "shooting" with his camera when he was hit. In a tragic and bizzare sequence of events he was probably filming the tank that hit him.

ooeat0meoo

I remember a similiar incident...

In the opening days of the Iraq War, a camera on a tri-pod rolling live footage of a tank on a bridge in Bahgdad.

The military forces didn't appreciate that their position was being comprimised, so they shot the camera from the tank. Mind you, with pin-point accuracy.


I'd say you are being very liberal in your judgement of the intent of the people that fired upon the photographer.
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By the way...

I believe you are wrong. There might have been hundreds of chances to handle things in a different way.

To use the term 'Forced' isn't completely correct. Israel's history has it's ugly past and present conduct of it's conflict in that region.


*I miss these warm and cozy moments between us, HR. I do not believe I have to ask if you've missed me.


** One last edit...

Just to be crystal clear... I'm not completely against an Israeli State - I 'am' against bad Israeli war policy. There has been more than enough of that.

Giggsy PO

Just to be crystal clear Israeli war policy is the only reason that State Israel still exists. So basically if you are against their policy, you are de facto completely against the State Israel.

ooeat0meoo

Actually, I am de facto in favor of an Israeli State - somewhere where they wouldn't cause so many problems.

Hey, HR... How about the State of Idaho? I'm sure the Mormons will leave you guys alone.


I just didn't say where that Israeli State should be.

I'm going to bed... *Don't worry HR, I'm back to work on Monday.

holyland red

I'd say you have never had to sit in a tank, in a warzone and fear for your life. I'd also say you could liberally assume that if the soldiers wanted to kill civilians they'd shot a school or a restaurant rather than a photographer.

I'd also say it's a lot easier to judge the intent of Palestinians massacring Jewish kids in their school but for all your good intentions you don't bother sharing your liberal analysis with us on those occasions.

holyland red

Make sure you wok hard. We need your tax dollars for kiiling more innocent civilians...

ooeat0meoo

You sure know how to hit below the belt. Dontchya HR.

jasonrh

Time to kill all of those usurping dirty Jews. Another holocaust is too good for 'em.

Hamas is an organisation of peace - like the YMCA - they only randomly target the women and children of Jewish baby's-blood-drinking subhuman creatures because they are land-grabbing infidels.

Those genocidal Jews have the nerve to try their best to only kill those actively trying to kill them. How dare they attempt to respond to our murder of peace campaign and sometimes make mistakes? It's a good thing they aren't real people or we might be committing a crime against the faith we pretend to adhere to when we shoot missiles into their homes or start innumerable wars to wipe them into the sea.

Wanna restart the Nazi Hanzar Unit? Your sister does.

jasonrh

I wonder what Robert's analysis would be if those rockets were being fired into his neighborhood with the specific intent to commit as much civilian carnage as possible.

I also wonder what Robert's analysis would be if his wife or child was murdered in a pizza shop in an attempt to wipe his entire race off of the face of the planet.

jasonrh

What a whacky idea.

You mean if they stopped their campaign to commit genocide and try to kill as many civilians as possible, then the name-changers would stop specifically trying to target those who carry out and organise the bombings/murders/kidnapping and who sadly sometimes make mistakes and end up killing innocent people on accident?

Surely you jest.

Frosty

Who's Robert?

EDIT: Oops. I get it now.

holyland red

Must be some Yank-hating human-rights activist. I'd say it's either our LABOB or that Mugabe bloke from the other thread.

jasonrh

Robert Mugabe is my sister.

That bit may not be true.

Slaughter any innocent 8 year old boys who were playing with their new hand-held grenade launchers today? If so, save a pint for me.

What's your name now these days anyway?