Mayor of London

iguanamanc

Apart from Classics, another link between Enoch and Boris is that they both called black children piccaninnies and yet declared themselves not to be racists. Powell was crucified for that remark and labelled as a racist for ever more.

Interesting that you Londoners have voted Boris in.

iguanamanc

That's democracy, Frosty. It's the quantity not the quality of votes that counts.

Frosty

Well step forward Richard Barnbrook, who received enough votes to be the BNP's sole representative on the London Assembly.

Am I the only one to be depressed by this fact?

MikeUpNorth

Not only run, but cycle as well.



Enjoy!

topper

wow you can foretell the future too

If I recall correctly Livingstone was considered a clown by most in the Labour Party at the beginning of his first Mayoral election campaign - did you vote for him then ?

iguanamanc

There will be many tearing their hair out, but there will also be those who consider that their views can now be represented.

Frosty

Or at least think their views will be represented.

Redlambs

So people who have voted for Boris are idiots and the people who voted for Ken are intelligent?

Hmmm, that's the kind of political thinking I can get behind. One of you should run for Mayor, because by that kind of thinking, you'd be voted in right away!

MikeUpNorth

I don't live in London and so it would be rude of me to vote. I like the city though.

iguanamanc

That comment relates to all politicians.

Redlambs

No, the major problem is the idiots are the ones in power who don't listen at all.

It's pretty simple really, all Ken had to do was at least try to take on board some of what was being pounded into him, but just like the typical arrogance he displays, he chose to do whatever the hell he wanted and fuck the voter.

I voted for Boris because he's at least pledging to ask Londoners what we think on major issues (like the Congestion Charge for example), Ken just threw a few half-baked figures and used them as an excuse to force through what he wants. Spin at it's finest.

Frosty

So do these voters really want incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home?

Do they really think that Muslims are to blame for the UK's hard drugs problems?

Do they agree with Nick Griffin when he referred to the Holocaust as a "holohoax" and a "Zionist scam"? Or even that "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the world is flat ... I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria"?

Or have they become so disillusioned with the mainstream parties that they feel a vote for the rebranded, nice, clean, shiny BNP, that does not use overt racism would best represent their views?

I suspect the latter, and am saddened by it.

topper

great that innit - nice objective thinking from the people here that brand the electorate idiots

iguanamanc

Some of them may well have read the BNP manifesto, which obviously does not contain some of the extreme views you highlight. That manifesto might well appeal to many - how should I put it - British people.

But I suspect you are absolutely correct that it is reaction to the obvious failings of the mainstream parties and their representatives.

Redlambs

Didn't one of their lower-ranking idiots recently claim there's not such thing as Rape?

Redlambs

Edited to use less specific mockery

iguanamanc

Sorry, not come across that term before.

Frosty

Absolutely. I expect that there will always be a hardcore of BNP supporters. But I think the level of support, especially from the white-working class, shows just how far the Tories and Labour have moved away from being parties of the people, Labour especially.

By focusing on the affluent, the middle class and swing voters (almost exclusively in New Labour's case), the main parties have forgotten, or neglected, their bedrock support.

Nick Griffin claimed the Qu'ran allows Muslims to rape non-believers:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/jan/18/race.religion

And here's the numpty I think you were referring to is Nick Eriksen:

On Rohypnol:

“It turns out that these stupid tarts are simply getting blind drunk, taking ‘recreational’ drugs themselves, and then having sex. Next day they wake up with an almighty hangover and a deep feeling of shame and regret. So what do they do then? Why, cry rape of course, and try to get a poor innocent man sent to prison in order to save their ‘reputation’ – as if they had one!”

On rape:

"Rape is simply sex."

"“Men who go along with the rape myth are either morons or traitors”.

“Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal. To suggest that rape, when conducted without violence, is a serious crime is like suggesting that force feeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence. A woman would be more inconvenienced by having her handbag snatched.”

On women:

“Men are more intelligent than women – it’s a fact. Let’s be proud of it, let’s celebrate it, let’s take advantage of it, and let’s not tolerate women who seek to deny it.”

“Very few men have any inkling of the hatred and contempt which most women have for them”

“Feminist talk about ‘equality’ is just a pretext – their real agenda is to try to gain superiority over men”.

“Let’s be honest, for a woman to consider a job or career more important than having children is, quite literally, unnatural. Of course having children usually leads to women’s careers being disrupted, but so what? … Instead of complaining that nature prevents women from having successful careers women should embrace the career nature has ascribed to them – motherhood.”

On domestic violence:

Eriksen believes that figures that show women are the victim in nearly four fifths of domestic violence incidents are a lie and that men are the real victims. In an article in November 2005 entitled “Give her a slap”, Eriksen attacked campaigns that try to heighten awareness of the domestic violence and abuse as an attempt “to vilify men”.

Commenting upon a very public fracas in which Rebekah Wade, editor of The Sun, was arrested following a fight with her husband, the actor Ross Kemp, in 2005, Eriksen advanced his own solution. “Come on Ross,” urged Eriksen, “let’s see if you’re as tough as your on-screen persona – give your wife a good slap!”

On himself:

He describes himself having a “‘right-wing’, nationalist, patriotic, traditional viewpoint, promoting men’s rights and the national interest of the British people. Opposed to all forms of political correctness.”

Redlambs

Anyway, I'm pretty sure one of them did say that Rape wasn't real and thus shouldn't be considered a crime.


edit: Nice one Frosty.

MikeUpNorth

Nope. It was a high-ranking idiot. The BNP's London organiser and the second-highest candidate on its list for the Assembly actually.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ims/article.do

Redlambs

Fair enough. Since I'm never going to vote for them, I don't keep up to date with who's who in that particular 'political party' (to use the term loosely).

MikeUpNorth

And to think that the BNP got enough votes to get a seat in the Assembly! This country is getting worse, but it's because of things like the BNP and their supporters, not immigration as they'd have everyone believe.

Redlambs

Agreed, though I think it's also down to the likes of Labour and Conservative, like Frosty says. People are sick of them not listening and so turn to alternatives, unfortunately one thing the BNP are good at is saying the right things at the right time.

Sad, but true.

iguanamanc

Spot on. My parents worked in the cotton mills in Bolton and were diehard trade unionist and 'old' Labour supporters. They have both been dead for 30 years and would have been appalled by how that party has changed.

My politics have changed over the years, and I suppose that now I am close to the Simon Heffer brand of far right Toryism, which many of you will abhor. Some of the policies in the BNP manifesto do appeal to me, but I am not so naive or stupid to fathom out that this is an agenda for public consumption and that something more sinister lurks below.

Redlambs

Unfortunately though, many people just don't see that.

I just hope it's all just a wake-up call for the big boys, and the BNP will eventually crawl back under their rocks.

born&raisedred

it's not that the countries getting worse it's just not getting any better, this isn't the 1st victory for the bnp in london or the rest of the country, although all in all their support has declined. powell's rivers of blood speech was made as a mainstream politician who was a great influence on thatcher and a forerunner to the new right.

Redlambs

No, it's definitely getting worse.