Muslim call to adopt Mecca time

topper · 21st April 2008, 19:30

Muslim call to adopt Mecca time
By Magdi Abdelhadi
BBC Arab affairs analyst

One cleric said science had proved Mecca to be the centre of the Earth

Muslim scientists and clerics have called for the adoption of Mecca time to replace GMT, arguing that the Saudi city is the true centre of the Earth.

Mecca is the direction all Muslims face when they perform their daily prayers.

The call was issued at a conference held in the Gulf state of Qatar under the title: Mecca, the Centre of the Earth, Theory and Practice.

One geologist argued that unlike other longitudes, Mecca's was in perfect alignment to magnetic north.

He said the English had imposed GMT on the rest of the world by force when Britain was a big colonial power, and it was about time that changed.

A prominent cleric, Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawy, said modern science had at last provided evidence that Mecca was the true centre of the Earth; proof, he said, of the greatness of the Muslim "qibla" - the Arabic word for the direction Muslims turn to when they pray.

The meeting also reviewed what has been described as a Mecca watch, the brainchild of a French Muslim.

The watch is said to rotate anti-clockwise and is supposed to help Muslims determine the direction of Mecca from any point on Earth.

The meeting in Qatar is part of a popular trend in some Muslim societies of seeking to find Koranic precedents for modern science.

It is called "Ijaz al-Koran", which roughly translates as the "miraculous nature of the holy text".

The underlying belief is that scientific truths were also revealed in the Muslim holy book, and it is the work of scholars to unearth and publicise the textual evidence.

But the movement is not without its critics, who say that the notion that modern science was revealed in the Koran confuses spiritual truth, which is constant, and empirical truth, which depends on the state of science at any given point in time.

Alex · 21st April 2008, 19:32

Amusing

Alex · 21st April 2008, 19:34

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Originally Posted by topper

Muslim call to adopt Mecca time
By Magdi Abdelhadi
BBC Arab affairs analyst

One cleric said science had proved Mecca to be the centre of the Earth

Muslim scientists and clerics have called for the adoption of Mecca time to replace GMT, arguing that the Saudi city is the true centre of the Earth.

Mecca is the direction all Muslims face when they perform their daily prayers.

The call was issued at a conference held in the Gulf state of Qatar under the title: Mecca, the Centre of the Earth, Theory and Practice.

One geologist argued that unlike other longitudes, Mecca's was in perfect alignment to magnetic north.

He said the English had imposed GMT on the rest of the world by force when Britain was a big colonial power, and it was about time that changed.

A prominent cleric, Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawy, said modern science had at last provided evidence that Mecca was the true centre of the Earth; proof, he said, of the greatness of the Muslim "qibla" - the Arabic word for the direction Muslims turn to when they pray.

The meeting also reviewed what has been described as a Mecca watch, the brainchild of a French Muslim.

The watch is said to rotate anti-clockwise and is supposed to help Muslims determine the direction of Mecca from any point on Earth.

The meeting in Qatar is part of a popular trend in some Muslim societies of seeking to find Koranic precedents for modern science.

It is called "Ijaz al-Koran", which roughly translates as the "miraculous nature of the holy text".

The underlying belief is that scientific truths were also revealed in the Muslim holy book, and it is the work of scholars to unearth and publicise the textual evidence.

But the movement is not without its critics, who say that the notion that modern science was revealed in the Koran confuses spiritual truth, which is constant, and empirical truth, which depends on the state of science at any given point in time.

duh

DoctorEvil · 21st April 2008, 19:44

Would it help if I point out that the center of the earth is, in fact, roughly 6371 km down, no matter where you are. And that the conditions there are not very hospitable (roughly 7000 degrees K). Moreover, its practically impossible to define time of the day there, as its equally far away from every point on the surface.

Fitzjames · 21st April 2008, 19:54

I see that we post so much about Muslims that the Muslim Matrimonial Agency is actually advertising on Red Cafe.

iguanamanc · 21st April 2008, 20:20

I find these linked ads often amusing. I wonder what would happen if I started a thread entitled World Nuclear Annihilation. In fact.........

iguanamanc · 21st April 2008, 20:23

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Originally Posted by Fitzjames

I see that we post so much about Muslims that the Muslim Matrimonial Agency is actually advertising on Red Cafe.

This is the response I got when I applied.....

cockneyred · 21st April 2008, 20:23

more muslim bollox

MrMarcello · 21st April 2008, 20:29

fuck off (not you topper but these religious nuts)

iguanamanc · 21st April 2008, 20:30

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Originally Posted by iguanamanc

I find these linked ads often amusing. I wonder what would happen if I started a thread entitled World Nuclear Annihilation. In fact.........

Nothing interesting happened. It seems Manchester United, Liverpool and match tickets will all survive that event.

Sultan · 21st April 2008, 20:37

I'm the centre of everything.

topper · 21st April 2008, 20:38

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Originally Posted by iguanamanc

This is the response I got when I applied.....

Fuengirola Red · 21st April 2008, 20:40

fuck em

topper · 21st April 2008, 20:45

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Originally Posted by Fuengirola Red

fuck em

after you

sin65 · 21st April 2008, 21:13

Nick 0208 Ldn · 22nd April 2008, 00:36

Yeah i heard about this one the news, i'm fairly certain that they can piss off. But whatever flaots their boat for a debate and some controversy to highlight their conference.

I believe they said that current UK time would change from BST or GMT+1 as it is currently, to GMT+3, relatively speaking.

So all these muslim clerics and scientists pitch up in Quatar each year and basically engage in a bit of a self-congratulation fest.

Fuengirola Red · 22nd April 2008, 09:11

what time is the muslim clock set at now ? ,ten past the dark ages

Dublin · 22nd April 2008, 09:20

He said the English had imposed GMT on the rest of the world by force when Britain was a big colonial power, and it was about time that changed.

That's true. Typical British Empire Bullshit.

Fuengirola Red · 22nd April 2008, 09:33

I thought England was part of the Irish Empire now ?

Dublin · 22nd April 2008, 09:42

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Originally Posted by Fuengirola Red

I thought England was part of the Irish Empire now ?

Working on it.

Sultan · 22nd April 2008, 09:48

I can't think how this idea is going to get past their own people or the government, let alone expect people in other parts of the world to accept any changes.

Rabble rousing.

Snake Doctor · 22nd April 2008, 10:14

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Originally Posted by Dublin

Working on it.

anything about now · 22nd April 2008, 10:44

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Originally Posted by MrMarcello

fuck off (not you topper but these religious nuts)

The current calendar year, as well as most popular holidays like Christmas, New Years, Easter, are based on Christianity. Are Santa-suit wearing fat men religious nuts as well? It just so happens that Christianity dominate the world, so they have the 'official say' right now.

Fuengirola Red · 22nd April 2008, 11:12

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Originally Posted by Dublin

Working on it.

What Tarmacing ?

Mickeyredlad · 22nd April 2008, 11:22

Fuck em!

Dublin · 22nd April 2008, 11:29

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Originally Posted by Fuengirola Red

What Tarmacing ?

No, starting with O.T. We'll take up all the spare tickets to ensure that Spanish based supporters will never get in.

MrMarcello · 22nd April 2008, 14:11

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Originally Posted by MUFC_lad

The current calendar year, as well as most popular holidays like Christmas, New Years, Easter, are based on Christianity. Are Santa-suit wearing fat men religious nuts as well? It just so happens that Christianity dominate the world, so they have the 'official say' right now.

Since when were Muslims labeled Christians?

Fuengirola Red · 22nd April 2008, 14:29

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Originally Posted by Dublin

No, starting with O.T. We'll take up all the spare tickets to ensure that Spanish based supporters will never get in.

still have my season ticket which I lend to my mate

lynchie · 22nd April 2008, 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dublin

He said the English had imposed GMT on the rest of the world by force when Britain was a big colonial power, and it was about time that changed.

That's true. Typical British Empire Bullshit.

Nothing to do with the bloke that invented a decent watch that could actually keep time when travelling the world being from England then? Sweet.

Dublin · 22nd April 2008, 22:55

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Originally Posted by Fuengirola Red

still have my season ticket which I lend to my mate

Oh well.

Dublin · 22nd April 2008, 22:55

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Originally Posted by lynchie

Nothing to do with the bloke that invented a decent watch that could actually keep time when travelling the world being from England then? Sweet.

Nope.

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