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Team Brian GB · 17th March 2010, 03:13

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Originally Posted by Nick 0208 Ldn

And looking inwardly here consider the Tories if they to be elected, the transatlantic relationship ranks high and there were rumours that on Obama's pre-election visit to the UK he didn't exactly take to Cameron [and relations with Brown were and are a bit iffy ].

I recall that, plus he dislikes the Conservative attitude on the EU which should have nothing to do with him yet he holds an opinion.

Watch this space,despite obvious issues relating to Europe, Cameron would be close to Sarkozy.

Sir Matt · 17th March 2010, 03:28

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Originally Posted by Nick 0208 Ldn

It's not so much what they will or will not do when push comes to shove, rather why should they be so...needing of the latter?

Was not Obama's political/diplomatic acumen supposed to be something that could be relied upon, i am sure that was the publicity at least. Don't get me wrong i'm not wishing Bush back in office, only as goes foreign policy i think the Obama administration is in a right mess, confusion abounds.

And looking inwardly here consider the Tories if they to be elected, the transatlantic relationship ranks high and there were rumours that on Obama's pre-election visit to the UK he didn't exactly take to Cameron [and relations with Brown were and are a bit iffy ].

Obama and the Democrats have always been more focused on domestic issues than foreign policy. Many of the things the administration says or does are essentially fantasyland stuff or other feel good positions. The attempts to appease various factions/regimes around the world are naive. Being BFFs with all of the countries that dislike or even hate the US is not going to happen because you try to appease them. Alienating our strongest allies is stupid, but he's not exactly made any decisive stands on anything in foreign policy. So I don't understand why people expect him to do so now. Bush had many bad stances on issues, but Obama, so far, has had no stances.

Unfortunately, most Americans don't really care right now about foreign policy while they're arguing over healthcare, etc.

gambit28 · 17th March 2010, 08:10

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Originally Posted by Nick 0208 Ldn

It's not so much what they will or will not do when push comes to shove, rather why should they be so...needing of the latter?

Was not Obama's political/diplomatic acumen supposed to be something that could be relied upon, i am sure that was the publicity at least. Don't get me wrong i'm not wishing Bush back in office, only as goes foreign policy i think the Obama administration is in a right mess, confusion abounds.

And looking inwardly here consider the Tories if they to be elected, the transatlantic relationship ranks high and there were rumours that on Obama's pre-election visit to the UK he didn't exactly take to Cameron [and relations with Brown were and are a bit iffy ].

There's rumours that Obama's not overly keen on us British anyway.

EZee · 17th March 2010, 19:04

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Originally Posted by gambit28

There's rumours that Obama's not overly keen on us British anyway.

to be fair though if you were the most powerful bloke in the world and you could do whatever you wanted would you sit down for dinner with gordon brown

mjs020294 · 30th March 2010, 00:45

Falkland Islands oil disappoints for Desire Petroleum

Shares in Desire Petroleum have almost halved after the oil explorer said a well being drilled off the Falkland Islands may not be economically viable.

BBC News - Falkland Islands oil disappoints for Desire Petroleum

Frosty · 7th February 2012, 13:18

Argentinian football league renamed in honour of the General Belgrano | Football | guardian.co.uk

Hmmm...

WeasteDevil · 7th February 2012, 13:20

Deary me!

mjs020294 · 7th February 2012, 20:12

I wonder if the fans will chant: "Your going down like Belgrano, going down like Belgrano" to the bottom clubs.

marcosdeto · 7th February 2012, 20:26

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Originally Posted by mjs020294

I wonder if the fans will chant: "Your going down like Belgrano, going down like Belgrano" to the bottom clubs.

argentina sunk some british ships, and i'm not prouf of that

people died there, you know?

just saying

mjs020294 · 7th February 2012, 21:45

Who said I was proud...it was a joke FFS......Mancunian sarcasm....WHOOOOSH

rednev · 8th February 2012, 02:20

I was going to bump the more up-to-date thread, but this'll do seeing as though it's on the first page.

Kirchner has now vowed to make a formal complaint to the UN over Britain's 'militarisation the South Atlantic'. They're not happy one bit about the Type 45 destroyer currently on patrol down there. I've been keeping an eye on the main Argentinian newspaper sites over the past week, and the Falklands has been making the headlines almost every day, so not much chance of the issue going away any time soon.

Story:

Spoiler

BBC News - Argentina to raise Falklands UK 'militarisation' at UN

mjs020294 · 8th February 2012, 02:28

You have to laugh:

"We will present a complaint to the UN Security Council and the UN General Assembly, as this militarisation poses a grave danger to international security," Ms Fernandez said.

"We cannot interpret in any other way the deployment of an ultra-modern destroyer accompanying the heir to the throne, who we would prefer to see in civilian attire."

She asked UK Prime Minister David Cameron "to give peace a chance".

There wouldn't even be a military presence down there if the Argentinians had given peace a chance.

I wish Cameron would just issue a statement and simply say: "Oh do fuck off". Enough already, its up to the islanders, that line was drawn in the sand in 1982.

Sir Matt · 8th February 2012, 02:33

Is there any reason other than oil that this is all being stirred up at present?

rednev · 8th February 2012, 02:38

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Originally Posted by Sir Matt

Is there any reason other than oil that this is all being stirred up at present?

The 30th anniversary of the war is approaching, and the deployment of the destroyer and 'Prince' William down there has given it an edge. Kirchner has been stirring it up for months, though, but I think she's just echoing Argentine national feeling.

mjs020294 · 8th February 2012, 02:39

There is oil down there but its not commercially viable to extract it right now. The two governments should come to some sort of agreement on oil royalties if they ever start pumping the stuff. It would be beneficial for all if the crude could be piped to Argentina and refined there before distribution.

This seems to be more about jingoism and politics right now.

rednev · 8th February 2012, 02:45

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Originally Posted by mjs020294

There is oil down there but its not commercially viable to extract it right now. The two governments should come to some sort of agreement on oil royalties if they ever start pumping the stuff. It would be beneficial for all if the crude could be piped to Argentina and refined there before distribution.

This seems to be more about jingoism and politics right now.

I don't think the British government is going to be announcing plans to give Argentina royalties over future oil revenues any time soon. The UK would obviously need Argentine co-operation over a pipeline, but I'm not sure Argentina is in a position to stop Britain from shipping oil to private refineries in Argentina, as that could be seen to be a direct economic sanction against a European Union country.

Sir Matt · 8th February 2012, 03:03

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Originally Posted by rednev

The 30th anniversary of the war is approaching, and the deployment of the destroyer and 'Prince' William down there has given it an edge. Kirchner has been stirring it up for months, though, but I think she's just echoing Argentine national feeling.

Yeah, they've been moaning about it very publicly for months. I didn't know if there was anything she might be trying to distract the public from with it or otherwise. I guess the anniversary of the defeat is enough for them to still be bitter.

8th February 2012, 02:20	#251 (permalink)
rednev Suarez of the year Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 18,827	I was going to bump the more up-to-date thread, but this'll do seeing as though it's on the first page. Kirchner has now vowed to make a formal complaint to the UN over Britain's 'militarisation the South Atlantic'. They're not happy one bit about the Type 45 destroyer currently on patrol down there. I've been keeping an eye on the main Argentinian newspaper sites over the past week, and the Falklands has been making the headlines almost every day, so not much chance of the issue going away any time soon. Story: Spoiler Argentina is to make a formal complaint to the United Nations about British "militarisation" around the disputed Falkland Islands. President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner made the announcement at a meeting of MPs, senior officials, and veterans of the 1982 war Argentina fought with Britain over the islands. Tensions between the two countries have been increasing in recent weeks. Last month, the UK said it was sending a destroyer to the region. The status of the islands, known in Argentina as the Malvinas, is still a highly sensitive issue for Buenos Aires. In December, Mercosur, a South American trading bloc, closed its ports to ships flying the Falkland Islands flag. Then, last month, the UK said it was sending one of its newest destroyers, HMS Dauntless, to the South Atlantic, off the Falklands. London described the move as "routine". Prince William, grandson of Britain's Queen Elizabeth II and second in line to the throne, was also deployed to the islands in his role as a search and rescue helicopter pilot. In her address on Tuesday, Ms Fernandez accused the UK of "militarising the South Atlantic one more time". "We will present a complaint to the UN Security Council and the UN General Assembly, as this militarisation poses a grave danger to international security," Ms Fernandez said. "We cannot interpret in any other way the deployment of an ultra-modern destroyer accompanying the heir to the throne, who we would prefer to see in civilian attire." She asked UK Prime Minister David Cameron "to give peace a chance". The UK Foreign Office later issued a statement that said: "The people of the Falkland Islands are British out of choice. They are free to determine their own future and there will be no negotiations with Argentina over sovereignty unless the islanders wish it." The BBC's Fergal Keane says President Fernandez's initiative is consistent with recent Argentine attempts to internationalise the Falklands issue. Her government has gained the political support of nations such as Brazil and Uruguay that have banned ships flying the Falklands flag from visiting their ports. Chile's foreign minister also recently declared his support for Argentine sovereignty over the islands. A crowd waving Argentine flags and shouting "Malvinas" rallied near the government palace where Ms Fernandez was speaking. Britain has held the Falkland Islands since 1833. BBC News - Argentina to raise Falklands UK 'militarisation' at UN

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30th March 2010, 00:45	#245 (permalink)
mjs020294 First Team Regular Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ex-Pat in Florida Posts: 14,985	Falkland Islands oil disappoints for Desire Petroleum Shares in Desire Petroleum have almost halved after the oil explorer said a well being drilled off the Falkland Islands may not be economically viable. BBC News - Falkland Islands oil disappoints for Desire Petroleum

7th February 2012, 13:18	#246 (permalink)
Frosty Logical and sensible but turns women gay Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 11,786	Argentinian football league renamed in honour of the General Belgrano \| Football \| guardian.co.uk Hmmm...

7th February 2012, 13:20	#247 (permalink)
WeasteDevil Observant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: MG was wearing a lovely dress and I talked her out of it! Posts: 93,067	Deary me!

7th February 2012, 20:12	#248 (permalink)
mjs020294 First Team Regular Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ex-Pat in Florida Posts: 14,985	I wonder if the fans will chant: "Your going down like Belgrano, going down like Belgrano" to the bottom clubs.

7th February 2012, 21:45	#250 (permalink)
mjs020294 First Team Regular Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ex-Pat in Florida Posts: 14,985	Who said I was proud...it was a joke FFS......Mancunian sarcasm....WHOOOOSH

8th February 2012, 02:28	#252 (permalink)
mjs020294 First Team Regular Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ex-Pat in Florida Posts: 14,985	You have to laugh: "We will present a complaint to the UN Security Council and the UN General Assembly, as this militarisation poses a grave danger to international security," Ms Fernandez said. "We cannot interpret in any other way the deployment of an ultra-modern destroyer accompanying the heir to the throne, who we would prefer to see in civilian attire." She asked UK Prime Minister David Cameron "to give peace a chance". There wouldn't even be a military presence down there if the Argentinians had given peace a chance. I wish Cameron would just issue a statement and simply say: "Oh do fuck off". Enough already, its up to the islanders, that line was drawn in the sand in 1982.

8th February 2012, 02:33	#253 (permalink)
Sir Matt First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LUHG Posts: 9,289	Is there any reason other than oil that this is all being stirred up at present?

8th February 2012, 02:39	#255 (permalink)
mjs020294 First Team Regular Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ex-Pat in Florida Posts: 14,985	There is oil down there but its not commercially viable to extract it right now. The two governments should come to some sort of agreement on oil royalties if they ever start pumping the stuff. It would be beneficial for all if the crude could be piped to Argentina and refined there before distribution. This seems to be more about jingoism and politics right now.