A people's Revolution

RedKaos · 5th February 2012, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raoul

The civil war is entirely Assad's fault and shouldn't be viewed any differently than any of the other movements during the Arab spring. People want greater freedoms and the days of authoritarian dictators are quickly coming to an end. Attempting to justify inaction by cloaking this as a factional struggle misses the broader point.

Agreed with the first part, though unfortunately its a concept only seems to be selectively applied by certain powers.

I'm justifying inaction on the grounds that it would worsen, not alleviate the situation.

MikeUpNorth · 5th February 2012, 18:36

RedKaos just loves a good dictator (unless they're Saudi).

RedKaos · 8th February 2012, 20:00

Intervention in Syria will escalate not stop the killing | Seumas Milne | Comment is free | The Guardian

Raoul · 8th February 2012, 20:09

A negotiated settlement resulting in Assad's removal ? I think that would work. Because anything short of that will ensure the violence goes on, excepting a military intervention to remove Assad by force.

RedKaos · 8th February 2012, 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raoul

A negotiated settlement resulting in Assad's removal ? I think that would work. Because anything short of that will ensure the violence goes on, excepting a military intervention to remove Assad by force.

Which ensures the violence will go on....

Raoul · 8th February 2012, 20:12

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Originally Posted by RedKaos

Which ensures the violence will go on....

That's Assad's fault for waiting too long to try negotiations. He's pounded the public into submission to where there's no turning back until he leaves.

RedKaos · 8th February 2012, 20:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raoul

That's Assad's fault for waiting too long to try negotiations. He's pounded the public into submission to where there's no turning back until he leaves.

Regardless of whether he's to blame, forcefully overthrowing him will only worsen the violence. See Iraq and currently Libya to see the carnage that'll likely ensue.

Raoul · 8th February 2012, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedKaos

Regardless of whether he's to blame, forcefully overthrowing him will only worsen the violence. See Iraq and currently Libya to see the carnage that'll likely ensue.

There's going to be violence either way. The only option to stop it is to get rid of him and put a UN peacekeeping force into the country to deal with the aftermath.

africanspur · 9th February 2012, 13:05

Sir Matt · 1st April 2012, 00:22

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood names presidency candidate

I'm surprised, how about you guys?

holyland red · 1st April 2012, 08:05

Shocked.

People here promised us that the MB were not interested in those power struggles.

e.cantona · 1st April 2012, 12:49

Surprised, shocked? No, not at all

Sir Matt · 15th April 2012, 04:14

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17717268

Election officials barred the candidate from the Muslim Brotherhood(for a previous criminal conviction), former "spy chief" Suleiman didn't get enough signatures, and general loony Hazem Abu Ismail' mother has an American passport.

Neutral · 16th April 2012, 15:09

Disqualified Salafi Egyptian Presidential Candidate:

RedKaos · 16th April 2012, 23:29

All of the websites belonging to the Lebanese government have been hacked by a group calling themselves RYV (raise your voice):

http://www.presidencyinfo.gov.lb/
http://www.isc.gov.lb/
http://www.nna-leb.gov.lb/
http://www.omspa.gov.lb/
http://www.customs.gov.lb/
http://www.justice.gov.lb/
http://www.transportation.gov.lb/
http://www.moew.gov.lb/
http://www.foreign.gov.lb/
http://www.ebml.gov.lb/
http://www.bccl.gov.lb/
http://www.isf.gov.lb/
http://www.interior.gov.lb/
http://www.southernlebanon.gov.lb/
http://www.state-security.gov.lb/

Sir Matt · 17th April 2012, 00:17

So that guy is basically Glen Beck?

africanspur · 17th April 2012, 11:47

Abu-Ismael, El-Shater, Suleiman, I'm glad you're gone, with your posinonous and ridiculous beliefs. I believe at least will be allowed back in but we'll see.

Shafiq, Mansour, Mursi and Al-Awa, you can all fuck off as well.

holyland red · 17th April 2012, 13:09

Drink Mecca Cola

holyland red · 23rd April 2012, 08:46

Egyptian companies abruptly halt gas exports to Israel

Sir Matt · 27th April 2012, 16:35

http://english.alarabiya.net/article...25/210198.html

A revolution the Caf can get behind...

holyland red · 2nd May 2012, 14:13

11 killed in Cairo clashes outside Defense Ministry

ooeat0meoo · 3rd May 2012, 05:01

It is looking like the Occupy DC group will be protesting the King of Bahrain when he comes to the USA, next week.

africanspur · 10th May 2012, 22:25

The Egyptians are having their first ever presidential debate on tv right now, possibly the first one in the Arab world as well, between those widely tipped to get to the second round, Amr Moussa and Abdel Moneim Aboul Fatouh.

Both have been quite disappointing so far.

Seems they are currently only halfway into the debate, at 11:30 local time, having already conducted 2 hours.

Only in Egypt

holyland red · 11th May 2012, 08:49

Egyptian presidential hopefuls Amr Moussa, Abdel Moneim Abol Fotouh trade barbs, but agree: Israel treaty must be reviewed

africanspur · 11th May 2012, 13:15

It was quite a poor debate in the end imo. Only managed to get through 3 hours (why was it so long???) but they spent a lot of the time arguing about the semantics of sharia law (ie you said you would apply the principles of sharia. Another time you said you would apply the general principles. Can you explain the difference?) Who gives a fuck?. A lot of talk accusing each other of lying and being hypocrites or being felool (remnant of old regime) or still in the control of the MB.

Little real talk about the issues most affecting the people. Education, healthcare, poverty, corruption, jobs.

Aboul Fotouh was tailoring his speech to the revolutionaries and increasingly since their backing, the religious groups.
Moussa is going for the silent majority in Egypt, people who are scared and just want security back and some prospect of jobs. Moussa won't be the man to deliver that though.

Moussa refers to himself in the third person. And has a very dismissive and arrogant demeanour. But his history in diplomacy was clear, he was able to skillfully avoid questions far better than AF. The former leader of the Arab league referred to Iran as an Arab country. Twice.

Neither of these candidates are all that impressive. El-Baradei would have wiped the floor with them. The winner? I'd say Shafiq and Sabbahi. Neither of the two debators particularly covered themselves in glory.

But I think Moussa will win the election.

And there was more intellectual ability in this than there was in any of the GOP debates this cycle

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5th February 2012, 18:36	#1922 (permalink)
MikeUpNorth Wobbles like a massive pair of tits Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 13,227	RedKaos just loves a good dictator (unless they're Saudi).

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Raoul Administrator Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Budapest Posts: 39,784	A negotiated settlement resulting in Assad's removal ? I think that would work. Because anything short of that will ensure the violence goes on, excepting a military intervention to remove Assad by force.

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Sir Matt First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LUHG Posts: 9,289	Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood names presidency candidate I'm surprised, how about you guys?

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holyland red First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 13,560	Shocked. People here promised us that the MB were not interested in those power struggles.

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Sir Matt First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LUHG Posts: 9,289	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17717268 Election officials barred the candidate from the Muslim Brotherhood(for a previous criminal conviction), former "spy chief" Suleiman didn't get enough signatures, and general loony Hazem Abu Ismail' mother has an American passport.

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Neutral BTV Join Date: May 2010 Location: DC/Canberra/Dhaka Posts: 6,447	Disqualified Salafi Egyptian Presidential Candidate:

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RedKaos Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dromund Kaas Posts: 12,843	All of the websites belonging to the Lebanese government have been hacked by a group calling themselves RYV (raise your voice): http://www.presidencyinfo.gov.lb/ http://www.isc.gov.lb/ http://www.nna-leb.gov.lb/ http://www.omspa.gov.lb/ http://www.customs.gov.lb/ http://www.justice.gov.lb/ http://www.transportation.gov.lb/ http://www.moew.gov.lb/ http://www.foreign.gov.lb/ http://www.ebml.gov.lb/ http://www.bccl.gov.lb/ http://www.isf.gov.lb/ http://www.interior.gov.lb/ http://www.southernlebanon.gov.lb/ http://www.state-security.gov.lb/

17th April 2012, 00:17	#1936 (permalink)
Sir Matt First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LUHG Posts: 9,289	So that guy is basically Glen Beck?

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africanspur Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,492	Abu-Ismael, El-Shater, Suleiman, I'm glad you're gone, with your posinonous and ridiculous beliefs. I believe at least will be allowed back in but we'll see. Shafiq, Mansour, Mursi and Al-Awa, you can all fuck off as well.

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holyland red First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 13,560	Drink Mecca Cola

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holyland red First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 13,560	Egyptian companies abruptly halt gas exports to Israel

27th April 2012, 16:35	#1940 (permalink)
Sir Matt First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LUHG Posts: 9,289	http://english.alarabiya.net/article...25/210198.html A revolution the Caf can get behind...

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ooeat0meoo Member of the Muppet Empire Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: My Happy Place - So Don't Be Fucking With Me! Posts: 10,040	It is looking like the Occupy DC group will be protesting the King of Bahrain when he comes to the USA, next week.

10th May 2012, 22:25	#1943 (permalink)
africanspur Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,492	The Egyptians are having their first ever presidential debate on tv right now, possibly the first one in the Arab world as well, between those widely tipped to get to the second round, Amr Moussa and Abdel Moneim Aboul Fatouh. Both have been quite disappointing so far. Seems they are currently only halfway into the debate, at 11:30 local time, having already conducted 2 hours. Only in Egypt

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holyland red First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 13,560	Egyptian presidential hopefuls Amr Moussa, Abdel Moneim Abol Fotouh trade barbs, but agree: Israel treaty must be reviewed

11th May 2012, 13:15	#1945 (permalink)
africanspur Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,492	It was quite a poor debate in the end imo. Only managed to get through 3 hours (why was it so long???) but they spent a lot of the time arguing about the semantics of sharia law (ie you said you would apply the principles of sharia. Another time you said you would apply the general principles. Can you explain the difference?) Who gives a fuck?. A lot of talk accusing each other of lying and being hypocrites or being felool (remnant of old regime) or still in the control of the MB. Little real talk about the issues most affecting the people. Education, healthcare, poverty, corruption, jobs. Aboul Fotouh was tailoring his speech to the revolutionaries and increasingly since their backing, the religious groups. Moussa is going for the silent majority in Egypt, people who are scared and just want security back and some prospect of jobs. Moussa won't be the man to deliver that though. Moussa refers to himself in the third person. And has a very dismissive and arrogant demeanour. But his history in diplomacy was clear, he was able to skillfully avoid questions far better than AF. The former leader of the Arab league referred to Iran as an Arab country. Twice. Neither of these candidates are all that impressive. El-Baradei would have wiped the floor with them. The winner? I'd say Shafiq and Sabbahi. Neither of the two debators particularly covered themselves in glory. But I think Moussa will win the election. And there was more intellectual ability in this than there was in any of the GOP debates this cycle