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Old 31st January 2012, 16:29   #41 (permalink)
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(There's a family story that I like, it made my maternal grandparents very happy. they are both jewish, my grandmother has been to Ausschwitz and lost her family there, while my grandfather was in hiding the whole time. But my paternal grandparents were aristocrats and my grandmother hated Jews.

So much so that for years after my parents marriage she didnt let me or my brother or my mother to visit them. His husband was a sweet man, and did not have any problems with my mother, but he was very old(90+) and completely blind at that point, so he was easily manipulated my grandmother.

This grandmother met my maternal grandparents the first time when I was 4 or 5, 8 years into the marriage, three years after her husband died.

So at one night, it was me, and the three grandparents in the living room , when my father's mother started speaking to me:

- We, christians...
- You know what we are? Jews, we are Jews!

Needless to say, the old antisemite rushed out of the room and did not speak to us (not even his son) for days. Never liked her, to be honest.)
She may had been carriage-mates with my wife's grandma then Did she also end up at Ravensbrück?
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Old 31st January 2012, 16:32   #42 (permalink)
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No, but her mother and little sister did, they didnt survive.
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Old 31st January 2012, 16:35   #43 (permalink)
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in fact, liverpool has some black players like glen johnson or legends like john barnes
Apparently they've just been transfer listed ahead of the transfer deadline...

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Old 31st January 2012, 16:41   #44 (permalink)
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No, but her mother and little sister did, they didnt survive.
Me and my wife stopped for a photo near the Deszö Szabó monument while visiting Budapest. Only after coming back home my father-in-law told us that Szabó character was an antisemite who had called for the extermination of Hungarian jews.
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Old 31st January 2012, 16:41   #45 (permalink)
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Fucking hell. You sort of forget the raw absurdity and revoltingness of it until you see things like that.

I wonder what issues future generations will look back on in a similar way. Wars of choice, global poverty and child death from diseases are obvious candidates. Expanding the circle of respect for life - animal experimentation, zoos, factory farming, maybe meat-eating full stop.
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Old 31st January 2012, 16:47   #46 (permalink)
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Me and my wife stopped for a photo near the Deszö Szabó monument while visiting Budapest. Only after coming back home my father-in-law told us that Szabó character was an antisemite who had called for the extermination of Hungarian jews.
That is a somewhat debated claim:

Szabó has been considered the first "intellectual anti-Semite among Hungarian writers",[1] and he was a regular constibutor to the journal Virradat, one of the most rabidly anti-semitic papers of the inter-war period, in which he published no less than 44 articles during three years. These articles were couched in highly apocalyptic and alarmist tones, reprimanding the Hungarian nation for its "feebleness".

There is a continuing debate about whether or not Szabó explicitly called for the physical extermination of the Hungarian Jews. According to Dr. Yehuda Marton, an Israeli-Hungarian scholar who wrote the article about Szabó in the Hebrew Encyclopedia, Szabó did make such a call for extermination at a public meeting in 1921[4]. Apologists for the writer note that in "The Eroded Village" Miklós (a key figure of this main work) says to an old Jewish friend: "If you should know that all my anger comes out from that I know that we depend on each other, because I love you" - which would seem incompatible with the author wanting to kill all Jews. Still, it is undoubted that Szabó wrote sharply antisemitic attacks on Jews, which helped undermine their position in Hungarian society and which could be said to have facilitated their actual extermination in 1944 - whether of not Szabó himself intended this result.

However, at the same time Szabó was also vehemently anti-German, embarking in 1923 on a "Campaign to eradicate German influence in Hungary". After 1932 he was also outspokenly opposed to the Arrow Cross Party, the Hungarian Fascists—without abandoning his anti-semitic views.
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That is a somewhat debated claim:

Szabó has been considered the first "intellectual anti-Semite among Hungarian writers",[1] and he was a regular constibutor to the journal Virradat, one of the most rabidly anti-semitic papers of the inter-war period, in which he published no less than 44 articles during three years. These articles were couched in highly apocalyptic and alarmist tones, reprimanding the Hungarian nation for its "feebleness".

There is a continuing debate about whether or not Szabó explicitly called for the physical extermination of the Hungarian Jews. According to Dr. Yehuda Marton, an Israeli-Hungarian scholar who wrote the article about Szabó in the Hebrew Encyclopedia, Szabó did make such a call for extermination at a public meeting in 1921[4]. Apologists for the writer note that in "The Eroded Village" Miklós (a key figure of this main work) says to an old Jewish friend: "If you should know that all my anger comes out from that I know that we depend on each other, because I love you" - which would seem incompatible with the author wanting to kill all Jews. Still, it is undoubted that Szabó wrote sharply antisemitic attacks on Jews, which helped undermine their position in Hungarian society and which could be said to have facilitated their actual extermination in 1944 - whether of not Szabó himself intended this result.

However, at the same time Szabó was also vehemently anti-German, embarking in 1923 on a "Campaign to eradicate German influence in Hungary". After 1932 he was also outspokenly opposed to the Arrow Cross Party, the Hungarian Fascists—without abandoning his anti-semitic views.
I think people who are into "eradicating their country" of various influences are dodgy characters regardless having a couple of jewish friends...
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Old 31st January 2012, 17:09   #48 (permalink)
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I completely agree with it, thats why its ironic when white Americans label Obama 'un-American', when he's just as American as they are. That was my point.
Yeah, it's all fairly mad and irrational.
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Old 31st January 2012, 17:44   #49 (permalink)
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I think people who are into "eradicating their country" of various influences are dodgy characters regardless having a couple of jewish friends...
Sure he was, a cunt of the highest order , but that he wanted to exterminate Jews is a disputed claim.
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Brits are far more confrontational and aggressive at sporting events. Its normal to boo on mass, that doesn't mean everyone is being racist towards Evra.

Unless you have lived for a long period of time in the UK you really are not in a position to make much of a judgement TBH. The UK is a much more racially integrated society, and its probably a couple of decades ahead of the US in many ways.
Fair enough. But racism is racism, regardless of the origin. I don't think you can separate racist chants at a football match from racist chants at a political protest.
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Old 31st January 2012, 23:37   #51 (permalink)
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Fair enough. But racism is racism, regardless of the origin. I don't think you can separate racist chants at a football match from racist chants at a political protest.
People do daft things out of character in football stadiums, reading the Soccer Tribe will help anyone understand the psychology of that.
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Conservative, prejudiced adults linked to low IQ scores

Conservative, prejudiced adults linked to low IQ scores - Buffalo - Business First

Conservative, prejudiced adults linked to low IQ scores
Business First by Gary Burns, Associate Editor
Date: Thursday, February 2, 2012February 2, 2012

Children who score low on IQ tests are more likely to grow up to be prejudiced, with socially conservative attitudes, according to research done at Brock University in St. Catharines, Ont.

The study, published in the journal Psychological Science, was led by Gordon Hodson, a professor of psychology at Brock. Hodson said the study’s finding indicate that a vicious cycle is at work, with people of low intelligence tending to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, which stress hierarchy and resistance to change, which in turn contribute to prejudice.

Hodson noted that earlier studies have shown a link between low education and prejudice. The next step was for researchers to make the leap to studying possible connections between low intelligence and adult political attitudes and overall world views.

Brock researchers examined data from two British studies that followed people from childhood to adulthood, noting their measured IQ scores as children and adults and their levels of social conservatism and racism.

“Socially conservative ideologies tend to offer structure and order,” Hodson told the online journal LiveScience, which can attract people of low intelligence. “Unfortunately, many of these features can also contribute to prejudice.”

The Brock study may be read at Bright Minds and Dark Attitudes
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Old 3rd February 2012, 03:31   #53 (permalink)
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Old 3rd February 2012, 21:27   #54 (permalink)
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Fucking fantastic response!!!!!

With people advertising things like 'Black History Month' and the like, it will always, always be an issue!!!
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Old 3rd February 2012, 21:46   #56 (permalink)
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Just when you think Morgan Freeman can't get any cooler, he does. Superb response.
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Outstanding.
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Old 3rd February 2012, 23:59   #58 (permalink)
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I think he's 100% right, but people are rarely happy when I say that!
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Fucking fantastic response!!!!!

With people advertising things like 'Black History Month' and the like, it will always, always be an issue!!!
I think this idea of Black History Month is to give the african-americans some knowledge about their own culture/history and build pride in themselves more than anything else. This will help the inner city kids to look-up to others in the past rather than their contemporary "role models."
Educating the crackers is only a small part of their goals.
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I <3 Morgan Freeman.

Brilliant.
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