They are gearing up totally for the destruction of Iran

africanspur · 3rd February 2012, 15:42

I was just going to say it would be clever of the Israelis to attack this year. Obama can't be seen to be weak on Israel/Iran in an election year and if the Iranians respond to a strike, I don't think Obama will be able to stand by.

Pentagon Seeks Mightier Bomb vs. Iran - WSJ.com

Bunker busters being upgraded, currently not enough power to do their job.

How About Not Bombing Iran? - NYTimes.com

Another take on why strikes may not be the best option. For anyone.

rednev · 3rd February 2012, 15:47

Iran is a very good example of why democracy is the best system. There's no way the Iranian people, in a proper liberal democratic society, would allow their government to act in ways that could potentially goad the West/Israel into military action and a possible war.

Raoul · 3rd February 2012, 15:58

This is the CE version of the Hamsik thread in the transfers.

Plechazunga · 3rd February 2012, 16:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by africanspur

I was just going to say it would be clever of the Israelis to attack this year. Obama can't be seen to be weak on Israel/Iran in an election year and if the Iranians respond to a strike, I don't think Obama will be able to stand by.

I think they will. My prediction: they'll lose some planes and pilots without decisively succeeding, Hamas and Hezbollah will respond with a shitload of rockets > carnage, and very dicey for Obama.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raoul

This is the CE version of the Hamsik thread in the transfers.

africanspur · 3rd February 2012, 16:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raoul

This is the CE version of the Hamsik thread in the transfers.

Sorry, obviously I haven't been on the board that long, what is the Hamsik thread characterised by?

Raoul · 3rd February 2012, 16:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by africanspur

Sorry, obvious I haven't been on the board that long, what is the Hamsik thread characterised by?

A long drawn out thread about something that may or may not happen combined with the odd random bump just when you think people may have finally forgotten about it.

Cali Red · 3rd February 2012, 16:51

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Originally Posted by Raoul

A long drawn out thread about something that may or may not happen combined with the odd random bump just when you think people may have finally forgotten about it.

Hamsik? There's been loads. The Torres thread, The Sneijder thread (not as drawn out), The Mikel thread, the <insert mildly decent CM> thread.....

africanspur · 5th February 2012, 10:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raoul

A long drawn out thread about something that may or may not happen combined with the odd random bump just when you think people may have finally forgotten about it.

Fair enough!

A strange twist in the covert war for hearts and minds...

Iran isn't amused by Israeli Samsung ad | FP Passport

Raoul · 5th February 2012, 20:36

Amazing....

Sir Matt · 6th February 2012, 01:29

That is awesome. I would like a translated version though.

Plechazunga · 6th February 2012, 02:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Matt

That is awesome. I would like a translated version though.

I get the gist after the opening, but not the slang/references, so here's a crap translation:

In the camp:

Agent A: What, are we going to [something I don't understand]?
Agent B: No, it's a gift. Isfahan [place in iran].

In Isfahan:

Who sees Asfur in this dump? [??]
Lord Almighty.
Where can we get a kosher meal round here?
We might happen upon Rita's family...

Puts sun-cream on his face

What? You know how much radiation there is round here?

They see the agent:

Is that you, from the Mossad?
IRAN AGENT: Shh!
What's with the shushing? We were in the Mossad too, in our time. Is it you who's brought us here?
IRAN AGENT: For two months now I've been doing reconnaissance... boring missiles...so, I watch a few chapters on my Tablet. All in all [?], I don't miss much.
Check out [?] the Tablet! Mossad pampering you, eh?
IRAN AGENT: Yeah right. My wife worked triple [hours?] and we got a Tablet as a perk.
What, you "Tablet" each other? [???]
IRN AGENT: We also got a HOT VOD app with all the programmes free.
And what's this app here?

BOOM

What? Just another mysterious explosion in Iran...

Then at the end, they're looking at pictures and the guy says, "Ugh, Khomeini!" and they get busted.

holyland red · 6th February 2012, 07:38

Here's a slightly less crap translation:

In the camp:

Agent A: What, are we going to Rajuan's Henna[Henna wedding party]?
Agent B: No, it's Shin (agent are reffered to by their initials), Isfahan [place in iran].

In Isfahan:

Who watches Asfur (popular TV show in Israel) in this dump? [??]
Lord Almighty.
Where can we get a kosher meal round here?
We might happen upon Rita's (Israeli singer of Iranian origins) family...

Puts sun-cream on his face

What? You know how much radiation there is round here?

They see the agent:

Is that you, from the Mossad?
IRAN AGENT: Shh!
What's with the shushing? We were in a mossad (mossad in Hebrew means institution) too, in our time. Is it you who's brought us here?
IRAN AGENT: For two months now I've been doing reconnaissance... boring missiles...so, I watch a few chapters on my Tablet. Reactor or not, I don't miss Asfur.
Check out [?] the Tablet! Mossad pampering you, eh?
IRAN AGENT: Yeah right. My wife signed for Triple [Deal by HOT cable TV] and we got a Tablet as a perk.
What, you "Mistablet" at me? [Mistalbet=taking the piss in slang]
IRN AGENT: We also got a HOT VOD app with all the programmes free.
And what's this app here?

BOOM

What? Just another mysterious explosion in Iran...

Then at the end, they're looking at pictures and the guy says, "Ugh, Khomeini!" and they get busted. [Khomeini is a popular name of an annoying flying beetle, Maladera insanabilis]

Raoul · 6th February 2012, 18:45

Good read here...

Iran raid likely to drag in U.S. and hurt global economy - Yahoo! News

Sir Matt · 7th February 2012, 03:34

'Israeli attack will prompt Pakistani response' - Israel News, Ynetnews

So, Israel attacks Iran--> Pakistan retaliates by attacking Israel-->India attacks Pakistan--> China attacks India-->

"Shit just got real."

Giggsy PO · 7th February 2012, 12:45

There are plenty of arguments against an Israeli attack on Iran. And all of them are bad.
Israel and Iran on the Eve of Destruction in a New Six-Day War - The Daily Beast

Relevated · 7th February 2012, 12:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Matt

'Israeli attack will prompt Pakistani response' - Israel News, Ynetnews

So, Israel attacks Iran--> Pakistan retaliates by attacking Israel-->India attacks Pakistan--> China attacks India-->

"Shit just got real."

Palestine has to get involved somehow.

Sir Matt · 13th February 2012, 16:40

Looks like Iran has gotten some "payback" or at least tried to in Georgia and India.

BBC News - Car bombs 'target Israel envoys' in India and Georgia

Relevated · 13th February 2012, 16:53

israel pisses me off

Danny1982 · 13th February 2012, 17:22

Does everybody notice how ALL the terrorist attacks around the world are now "masterminded by Iran", when they were all "masterminded by Al-Qaida" a few years ago?

Actually, the US is now supporting movements backed by Al-Qaida itself! Politics.. A dirty world..

Raoul · 13th February 2012, 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny1982

Does everybody notice how ALL the terrorist attacks around the world are now "masterminded by Iran", when they were all "masterminded by Al-Qaida" a few years ago?

Actually, the US is now supporting movements backed by Al-Qaida itself! Politics.. A dirty world..

Given that Al-Qaeda (or what's left of it) just jumped on the bandwagon the other day, I'd say its the other way around. Good to see nonetheless.

Danny1982 · 13th February 2012, 19:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raoul

Given that Al-Qaeda (or what's left of it) just jumped on the bandwagon the other day, I'd say its the other way around. Good to see nonetheless.

Al-Qaida is practically ruling Egypt and Libya now with the help of the West.. I don't think it was Al-Qaida who changed their stance..

Raoul · 13th February 2012, 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny1982

Al-Qaida is practically ruling Egypt and Libya now with the help of the West.. I don't think it was Al-Qaida who changed their stance..

Danny1982 · 13th February 2012, 20:24

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Originally Posted by Raoul

cinc · 13th February 2012, 21:01

Oh, Danny.

gooDevil · 14th February 2012, 04:16

So, on 'Al Qaeda':

Robin Cook, British Foreign Secretary from 1997 to 2001, has written that al-Qaeda and Bin Laden were "a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies", and that "Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. [wiki]

So what do they call themselves? I mean, it seems like the CIA had this file and when they turned on us they ended up calling them 'Al Qaeda' I guess because that was the name of the file they were in, the database of freedom fighters/terrorist. But surely they don't call themselves something that's basically CIA slang. Unless they still work for the CIA, but that's not where I'm trying to do with this.

Is that what you mean, Danny, they're CIA puppets?

Danny1982 · 14th February 2012, 05:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by gooDevil

So, on 'Al Qaeda':

Robin Cook, British Foreign Secretary from 1997 to 2001, has written that al-Qaeda and Bin Laden were "a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies", and that "Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. [wiki]

So what do they call themselves? I mean, it seems like the CIA had this file and when they turned on us they ended up calling them 'Al Qaeda' I guess because that was the name of the file they were in, the database of freedom fighters/terrorist. But surely they don't call themselves something that's basically CIA slang. Unless they still work for the CIA, but that's not where I'm trying to do with this.

Is that what you mean, Danny, they're CIA puppets?

Without having to be this specific, it IS more or less the core of the issue. The US helped Al-Qaida grow to fight the Soviet Union, nobody can deny this. They knew back then they were dangerous Islamic extremists, but they thought they can use them to their advantage.. Eventually things turned badly for the US, and the US spent the last ten years fighting them on all fronts, accusing them of pretty much everything bad happening in the world..

Now the same story is happening again in Libya, in Egypt and in Syria too. Islamic extremists are being helped AGAIN to gain power in certain countries, and the media are playing a spectacular role trying to picture this change in the Arab world as some sort of "Spring"..

My guess is that it isn't. And in a couple of decades I'm afraid the world will be AGAIN in war against terrorism, and extremist Islam, in new countries..

The question is now: The US and the world already know that Islamic extremism is dangerous, they have been saying this ever since 9/11. Why then play with fire again? Why are they trying to help them gain power again? Suddenly? And HOW COME that suddenly Al-Qaida are going in the same direction as the US?! Something is wrong.. Well, nothing is wrong.. It's called politics.

The US is in a bigger war right now with Iran, so they'll have to play their cards a bit differently.. "Slight change in tactics". In fact, I'm even sensing a pattern here.. When they were fighting Al-Qaida, everything bad in the world was happening because of them. And when they wanted to fight Saddam Hussein, they were CERTAIN Saddam had connections with Al-Qaida, and Saddam had WMDs.. When they want to fight Iran now, everything bad happening in the world now is because of Iran, and of course they will have the WMDs soon too..

This is how I see it. Nothing to do with democracy. Nothing to do with helping people. Nothing to do with world safety either (because if they are so dangerous, why help them grow in the first place?). Just a dirty world called Politics.

cinc · 14th February 2012, 07:54

Whoosh.

jdmufc · 14th February 2012, 12:30

Iran being blamed for the bombs that have gone off in Bangkok.

Team Brian GB · 14th February 2012, 12:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny1982

Without having to be this specific, it IS more or less the core of the issue. The US helped Al-Qaida grow to fight the Soviet Union, nobody can deny this. They knew back then they were dangerous Islamic extremists, but they thought they can use them to their advantage.. Eventually things turned badly for the US, and the US spent the last ten years fighting them on all fronts, accusing them of pretty much everything bad happening in the world..

This old chestnut, anybody with half a brain cell can deny it.

There are a 1001 ways in which to do that, but atop the list is the fact that Al Qaeda did not fight the USSR in Afghanistan because it wasn't formed until 1989 and didn't have operational capability until the early 1990s.

RedKaos · 14th February 2012, 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Brian GB

This old chestnut, anybody with half a brain cell can deny it.

There are a 1001 ways in which to do that, but atop the list is the fact that Al Qaeda did not fight the USSR in Afghanistan because it wasn't formed until 1989 and didn't have operational capability until the early 1990s.

Al-Qaeda itself though was formed by elements of the old Afghan Mujaheddin which had fought the Soviets and Afghan Marxists. The US had channeled funds to the Mujaheddin leaders including a certain Osama Bin Laden who then went on to found Al-Qaeda.

Team Brian GB · 14th February 2012, 13:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedKaos

Al-Qaeda itself though was formed by elements of the old Afghan Mujaheddin which had fought the Soviets and Afghan Marxists. The US had channeled funds to the Mujaheddin leaders including a certain Osama Bin Laden who then went on to found Al-Qaeda.

The Americans funded Bin Laden? That is funny because Bin Laden's role in the Mujahideen was to act as a financier, from his father's construction companies in Saudi Arabia and other backers. By the time he wanted a role in the fighting itself the USSR was pulling out of Afghanistan.

RedKaos · 14th February 2012, 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Brian GB

The Americans funded Bin Laden? That is funny because Bin Laden's role in the Mujahideen was to act as a financier, from his father's construction companies in Saudi Arabia and other backers. By the time he wanted a role in the fighting itself the USSR was pulling out of Afghanistan.

Not personally to OBL himself, the millions of dollars the US had put aside were directed to a cohort of leaders representing the Afghan Mujaheddin, OBL was one of them. Though he was also simultaneously drawing funding from the Arab world.

There's also talk that he had received training from the CIA, but that depends on whether you choose to believe Robin Cook or even the BBC:

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Al-Qaeda's origins and links

cinc · 14th February 2012, 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedKaos

Al-Qaeda itself though was formed by elements of the old Afghan Mujaheddin which had fought the Soviets and Afghan Marxists. The US had channeled funds to the Mujaheddin leaders including a certain Osama Bin Laden who then went on to found Al-Qaeda.

it was formed by a former mujaheddin (Bin Laden), a pakistani man and some egyptians. They recruited former mujaheddins and even an US special forces guy, but to say that the US helped Al-Qaeda is incredibly ignorant (that was Danny, along with some amazing statements on Egypt and Lybia)

Raoul · 14th February 2012, 13:49

The things we did to keep those pesky Soviets from running amuck.....

RedKaos · 14th February 2012, 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raoul

The things we did to keep those pesky Soviets from running amuck.....

And vice versa

Raoul · 14th February 2012, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedKaos

And vice versa

Hence the Cold War.

RedKaos · 14th February 2012, 14:07

That got me thinking though, have there been any factions funded by the Soviets during the cold war that have gone all haywire the same way Mujaheddin have done when some of them formed Al-Qaeda?

I can only think of a few small Latin American Marxist movements but thats it really.

cinc · 14th February 2012, 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedKaos

That got me thinking though, have there been any factions funded by the Soviets during the cold war that have gone all haywire the same way Mujaheddin have done when some of them formed Al-Qaeda?

I can only think of a few small Latin American Marxist movements but thats it really.

They have indirectly and directly founded marxist terrorists all over the world - no wonder considering that terror was a valid tool in the eyes of the marxists. Not to mention the support for countless marxist revolutions.

RedKaos · 14th February 2012, 15:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by cinc

Not to mention the support for countless marxist revolutions.

Many of those were populist movements though, some even democratic.

cinc · 14th February 2012, 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedKaos

Many of those were populist movements though, some even democratic.

But not all of them, not by a long shot.

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3rd February 2012, 15:42	#1561 (permalink)
africanspur Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,492	I was just going to say it would be clever of the Israelis to attack this year. Obama can't be seen to be weak on Israel/Iran in an election year and if the Iranians respond to a strike, I don't think Obama will be able to stand by. Pentagon Seeks Mightier Bomb vs. Iran - WSJ.com Bunker busters being upgraded, currently not enough power to do their job. How About Not Bombing Iran? - NYTimes.com Another take on why strikes may not be the best option. For anyone.

3rd February 2012, 15:47	#1562 (permalink)
rednev Suarez of the year Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 18,827	Iran is a very good example of why democracy is the best system. There's no way the Iranian people, in a proper liberal democratic society, would allow their government to act in ways that could potentially goad the West/Israel into military action and a possible war.

3rd February 2012, 15:58	#1563 (permalink)
Raoul Administrator Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Budapest Posts: 39,784	This is the CE version of the Hamsik thread in the transfers.

5th February 2012, 20:36	#1569 (permalink)
Raoul Administrator Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Budapest Posts: 39,784	Amazing....

6th February 2012, 01:29	#1570 (permalink)
Sir Matt First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LUHG Posts: 9,289	That is awesome. I would like a translated version though.

6th February 2012, 07:38	#1572 (permalink)
holyland red First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 13,560	Here's a slightly less crap translation: In the camp: Agent A: What, are we going to Rajuan's Henna[Henna wedding party]? Agent B: No, it's Shin (agent are reffered to by their initials), Isfahan [place in iran]. In Isfahan: Who watches Asfur (popular TV show in Israel) in this dump? [??] Lord Almighty. Where can we get a kosher meal round here? We might happen upon Rita's (Israeli singer of Iranian origins) family... Puts sun-cream on his face What? You know how much radiation there is round here? They see the agent: Is that you, from the Mossad? IRAN AGENT: Shh! What's with the shushing? We were in a mossad (mossad in Hebrew means institution) too, in our time. Is it you who's brought us here? IRAN AGENT: For two months now I've been doing reconnaissance... boring missiles...so, I watch a few chapters on my Tablet. Reactor or not, I don't miss Asfur. Check out [?] the Tablet! Mossad pampering you, eh? IRAN AGENT: Yeah right. My wife signed for Triple [Deal by HOT cable TV] and we got a Tablet as a perk. What, you "Mistablet" at me? [Mistalbet=taking the piss in slang] IRN AGENT: We also got a HOT VOD app with all the programmes free. And what's this app here? BOOM What? Just another mysterious explosion in Iran... Then at the end, they're looking at pictures and the guy says, "Ugh, Khomeini!" and they get busted. [Khomeini is a popular name of an annoying flying beetle, Maladera insanabilis]

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Raoul Administrator Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Budapest Posts: 39,784	Good read here... Iran raid likely to drag in U.S. and hurt global economy - Yahoo! News

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Sir Matt First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LUHG Posts: 9,289	'Israeli attack will prompt Pakistani response' - Israel News, Ynetnews So, Israel attacks Iran--> Pakistan retaliates by attacking Israel-->India attacks Pakistan--> China attacks India--> "Shit just got real."

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Giggsy PO Wimbledon Prediction Champion 09 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Shame on you Shane Vendrell. You little bastard! Posts: 10,324	There are plenty of arguments against an Israeli attack on Iran. And all of them are bad. Israel and Iran on the Eve of Destruction in a New Six-Day War - The Daily Beast

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Sir Matt First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: LUHG Posts: 9,289	Looks like Iran has gotten some "payback" or at least tried to in Georgia and India. BBC News - Car bombs 'target Israel envoys' in India and Georgia

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Danny1982 First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Old Trafford Posts: 5,298	Does everybody notice how ALL the terrorist attacks around the world are now "masterminded by Iran", when they were all "masterminded by Al-Qaida" a few years ago? Actually, the US is now supporting movements backed by Al-Qaida itself! Politics.. A dirty world..

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gooDevil First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The Kids are the Future ✹ Posts: 10,728	So, on 'Al Qaeda': Robin Cook, British Foreign Secretary from 1997 to 2001, has written that al-Qaeda and Bin Laden were "a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies", and that "Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. [wiki] So what do they call themselves? I mean, it seems like the CIA had this file and when they turned on us they ended up calling them 'Al Qaeda' I guess because that was the name of the file they were in, the database of freedom fighters/terrorist. But surely they don't call themselves something that's basically CIA slang. Unless they still work for the CIA, but that's not where I'm trying to do with this. Is that what you mean, Danny, they're CIA puppets?

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RedKaos Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dromund Kaas Posts: 12,843	That got me thinking though, have there been any factions funded by the Soviets during the cold war that have gone all haywire the same way Mujaheddin have done when some of them formed Al-Qaeda? I can only think of a few small Latin American Marxist movements but thats it really.