U.S. Presidential Race: Official Thread

Cal? · 4th June 2008, 03:02

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Originally Posted by Red Dreams

The FL and MI issue were poorly handled...but a lot of that was also the fault of the state democratic parties....in the end if the states don't follow the rules...there will be chaos...

the reason HRC is not the nominee is because she ran the worst campaign ever...heck Penn did not even know that states awarded proportional representation....what an idiot....while Obama correctly stressed on caucus states as much as the big states....

...and you are totally wrong that only HRC can win in november...that is the rubbish Clinton mantra....either of them will win......

as to her strategy...she will do her best to help him win....if Bill and Hillary try to destroy Obama's chance she will never get to run in 2012....the party does not belong to the Clintons anymore...that has been clear for some time....if it had been the Clintons party she would have got all those California Supers when she won....that was the signal....

people are absolutely mad with the GOP...that is why Hillary is desperate to be the nominee....a Dem win is almost certain......

as to her supporters....and the party unifying....that will absolutely happen....before month end the two of them will be doing joint tours....
in the end most of her supporters will back Obama...can you imagine women backing a guy who wants to overturn Roe V Wade?

Fair point, if Hillary had a caucus stratergy, she'd have won the nomination on Super Tuesday...

Anyway, I honestly don't see what's in it for Hillary to help him win, she'd be writing her own politicla obituary if she did that.

Cal? · 4th June 2008, 05:00

Hillary's speech tonight makes it pretty clear she's not going to go away quietly.

Alex · 4th June 2008, 05:08

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Originally Posted by Cal?

Hillary's speech tonight makes it pretty clear she's not going to go away quietly.

It's gonna come down to Denver, if this keeps up, what a site that will be

Matt23v2 · 4th June 2008, 09:15

It's official, it's Obama....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7434791.stm

Why do have a nagging feeling, that something tragic may now happen?

Dippersripper · 4th June 2008, 09:52

at the left wing feminazi clinton

Drifter · 4th June 2008, 10:02

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Originally Posted by Matt23v2

It's official, it's Obama....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7434791.stm

Why do have a nagging feeling, that something tragic may now happen?

I'm sure the Republicans are digging deep into his past to damage him.

Mihajlovic · 4th June 2008, 15:25

Obama is not black.

crappycraperson · 4th June 2008, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Dippersripper

at the left wing feminazi clinton

She is right wing.

Dippersripper · 4th June 2008, 16:08

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Originally Posted by crappycraperson

She is right wing.

She's a feminist. Feminazis can't be true right wingers.

Reflectorboy · 4th June 2008, 16:25

I hope the feminist do not leave their brains in the freezer. They can either vote based on unguided emotions for McCain or note that McCain wants to overturn the Roe vs Wade decision. Some feminist do need to get a life, doesn't mean a women lost, sexism is the reason. Hillary had all the advantage in the world but she lost fairly.

Red Dreams · 4th June 2008, 17:10

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Originally Posted by Cal?

Fair point, if Hillary had a caucus stratergy, she'd have won the nomination on Super Tuesday...

Anyway, I honestly don't see what's in it for Hillary to help him win, she'd be writing her own politicla obituary if she did that.

just the opposite....she has everything to lose by not supporting him.....it probably still has not sunk in for her...that she threw it away...but in a day or so she will back him for her own good....

I still feel she has much to offer the party and the country...if she can get over her self pity...

Red Dreams · 4th June 2008, 17:10

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Originally Posted by Alex

It's gonna come down to Denver, if this keeps up, what a site that will be

dont hold your breath now...

Name Changed · 4th June 2008, 18:00

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Originally Posted by Mihajlovic

Obama is not black.

What colour is he?

Vidicious · 4th June 2008, 18:09

Lets all laugh at Clinton

Dippersripper · 4th June 2008, 18:16

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Originally Posted by Vidicious

Lets all laugh at Clinton

Oh yes, lets be mates.

VidaRed · 4th June 2008, 18:41

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Originally Posted by Name Changed

What colour is he?

brown

Mihajlovic · 4th June 2008, 19:08

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Originally Posted by Name Changed

What colour is he?

mixed race. his mother is white so he cant be black.

Red Dreams · 4th June 2008, 19:44

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Originally Posted by Mihajlovic

mixed race. his mother is white so he cant be black.

he considers himself African American...which is very acrurate actually....

Cali Red · 4th June 2008, 19:49

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Originally Posted by Drifter

I'm sure the Republicans are digging deep into his past to damage him.

That is a two way street. Each side tries as hard as possible to make his opponent look like shit. It's not like BHO is going to speak about how wonderful McCain is.

Red Dreams · 4th June 2008, 20:02

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Originally Posted by Cali Red

That is a two way street. Each side tries as hard as possible to make his opponent look like shit. It's not like BHO is going to speak about how wonderful McCain is.

I think both McCain and Obama will try and treat each other with respect...no gurantees about what the 527s will do though....

IBleedRed · 4th June 2008, 20:14

Hilary is a selfish for not backing out sooner
she has/could have really damaged the democratic parties chances

would like to see barack team up with edwards for this campaign

Red Dreams · 4th June 2008, 22:35

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Originally Posted by IBleedRed

Hilary is a selfish for not backing out sooner
she has/could have really damaged the democratic parties chances

would like to see barack team up with edwards for this campaign

Edwards endorsement has brought the union support for Obama...thats about the best he could do for him...he wont add much as a VP....

think Webb or Sebilius or an outside bet of Chuck Hagel would be a lot more beneficial....

Reflectorboy · 7th June 2008, 19:18

Good speech by Hillary, will probably go a long way to uniting the party, too bad she didn't take shots at McCain though

Red Dreams · 7th June 2008, 22:32

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Originally Posted by IBleedRed

Hilary is a selfish for not backing out sooner
she has/could have really damaged the democratic parties chances

would like to see barack team up with edwards for this campaign

she gave a poor speech on Tuesday...after Obama won...very graceless.. but made up for it today...excellent speech that will go a long way to unite the party....don't think she has been selfish really...heck she has been planning this run for about 10 years.....some will not vote for Obama.....women...some hard core blue color....but McCain also wont have a strong religious base....sort of a wash....

Cali Red · 7th June 2008, 22:51

Didn't hear the speech and don't really care. All this talk about a speech unifying the party is laughable. As if she came out and said I hate Obama the DEMS wouldn't vote for him. In their eys this race is a Dem vs Satan. The real campaign starts now and its easy to see what the strategy will be. McCain will point out Obamas lack of experience and desire to raise taxes and Obama will call McCain Bush Jr. It'll depend on what people WANT to believe.

Cal? · 8th June 2008, 05:54

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Originally Posted by Red Dreams

just the opposite....she has everything to lose by not supporting him.....it probably still has not sunk in for her...that she threw it away...but in a day or so she will back him for her own good....

I still feel she has much to offer the party and the country...if she can get over her self pity...

What has she got to lose? She wants to be President and if Obama wins in fall, her chance is gone forever.

If she sabotages his campaign somehow, she gets another chance in 4 years.

Alex · 8th June 2008, 06:12

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Originally Posted by Cal?

What has she got to lose? She wants to be President and if Obama wins in fall, her chance is gone forever.

If she sabotages his campaign somehow, she gets another chance in 4 years.

true

Raoul · 8th June 2008, 09:56

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Originally Posted by Mihajlovic

mixed race. his mother is white so he cant be black.

Its not very complicated. If the one parent is white and another black, then the child is black.

Cali Red · 8th June 2008, 19:07

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View Poll Results: Obama or McCain/Democrat or Republican..you decide
McCain	13	11.71%
Obama	98	88.29%
Voters: 111. You may not vote on this poll

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Cal? from Redcafe (matchfixing department) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: We want our own TV deal... Posts: 11,649	Hillary's speech tonight makes it pretty clear she's not going to go away quietly.

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Matt23v2 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newcastle Australia Posts: 703	It's official, it's Obama.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7434791.stm Why do have a nagging feeling, that something tragic may now happen?

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Dippersripper Educating ignorant bastards about God to achieve a near-perfect world Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: His first touch lets him down, But then he bends it round, inch perfectly, And look who’s on the end of it, Wayne Rooney Posts: 8,449	at the left wing feminazi clinton

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Mihajlovic Its Baltic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Berlin-West Posts: 6,319	Obama is not black.

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Reflectorboy Future friend of the first team Join Date: May 2004 Location: Land of the unknown Posts: 6,950	I hope the feminist do not leave their brains in the freezer. They can either vote based on unguided emotions for McCain or note that McCain wants to overturn the Roe vs Wade decision. Some feminist do need to get a life, doesn't mean a women lost, sexism is the reason. Hillary had all the advantage in the world but she lost fairly.

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Vidicious Flop Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Desailly is a God. Posts: 1,608	Lets all laugh at Clinton

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IBleedRed likes to use pantyhose Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: apparently uses the term "limey" too much Posts: 4,227	Hilary is a selfish for not backing out sooner she has/could have really damaged the democratic parties chances would like to see barack team up with edwards for this campaign

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Reflectorboy Future friend of the first team Join Date: May 2004 Location: Land of the unknown Posts: 6,950	Good speech by Hillary, will probably go a long way to uniting the party, too bad she didn't take shots at McCain though

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Cali Red Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,004	Didn't hear the speech and don't really care. All this talk about a speech unifying the party is laughable. As if she came out and said I hate Obama the DEMS wouldn't vote for him. In their eys this race is a Dem vs Satan. The real campaign starts now and its easy to see what the strategy will be. McCain will point out Obamas lack of experience and desire to raise taxes and Obama will call McCain Bush Jr. It'll depend on what people WANT to believe.

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Cali Red Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,004	Quote: