Mods, do your work please

Hectic · 24th April 2008, 05:32

It's not hard to cheat the system though e7, even if you are a complete retard you can muster up enough good posts to get promoted. It's much easier to get rid of the idiots when they make themselves most visible, on night likes tonight.

At least we can look forward to a nice culling of various posters.

Wibble · 24th April 2008, 05:33

Newbies do earn their way in. You should see what doesn't make it. Only about 10% or less of newbies ever make it to the main forums. The ones that do make it often doen't reveal the inner muppet until they get out of the newbie. Like kids let out of school early.

Wibble · 24th April 2008, 05:35

Ooooh! Excellent!

An axe wielding rampage.

Hectic · 24th April 2008, 05:37

It's been coming, now there's good reason for it.

I think the idea came from posts in this very thread actually.

ecantona7 · 24th April 2008, 05:40

Fair enough Hectic and Wibble. I just hope that when these mongs do show themselves you guys can get rid of them or deduct enough rep points so they get a temporary ban or something.

golden_blunder · 24th April 2008, 10:11

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Originally Posted by DiaboliQue

It doesn't help the reputation of this place that a big chunk of the mods/admins are utter cunts.

Im not standing for that, if you dont like it fuck off to Red Issue.

If you want to stay how about you make some positive, constructive suggestions on the best way forward for the United forum rather than whine?

For the record, if people would pay a bit more attention and not create a thread that has already been created, mods and admins would not need to merge. Nor would we have to deal with complaints that the United forum is rubbish. You posters are who make the United forum either good or rubbish. Not the moderators. Think about that.

Wibble · 24th April 2008, 10:40

Come the revolution guess who will be first against the wall?

WeasteDevil · 24th April 2008, 12:07

WeasteDevil · 24th April 2008, 12:08

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Originally Posted by golden_blunder

For the record, if people would pay a bit more attention and not create a thread that has already been created, mods and admins would not need to merge.

Yes, thus why it should be an infractionable offence leading to a banning offence for those that can't be arsed to look past the first page or do a search. It's not just the football forums where this happens either.

golden_blunder · 24th April 2008, 12:56

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Originally Posted by WeasteDevil

Yes, thus why it should be an infractionable offence leading to a banning offence for those that can't be arsed to look past the first page or do a search. It's not just the football forums where this happens either.

im actually agreeing with that now, the forums need some tough love

I_live_cement · 24th April 2008, 13:01

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Originally Posted by ecantona7

tbf, cockneyhammer does talk sense most of the time. As for the amount of pillocks, no offence, but it's your own faults. You used to have to earn your way into the main forums but nowadays we get newbies promoted left, right, and centre and more than half of them don't know anything about football.
Now don't get me wrong, you get decents ones like I_live_cement who is a good poster but then again you get people like immature or manutd4ever10 and his bum buddy adn that tyeza fella. Newbies should earn their way in and mods shouldn't just give them reputation points easily. Now I'm not saying they do give them repupations points easily cause I have no proof cause I don't have access to the newbies but based on amount of newbies being promoted with a lack of football knowledge it is easy to assume that they are promoted very easily.

Cheers mate.

Kristjan · 24th April 2008, 13:02

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Originally Posted by WeasteDevil

Yes, thus why it should be an infractionable offence leading to a banning offence for those that can't be arsed to look past the first page or do a search. It's not just the football forums where this happens either.

Want to be admin for a day and go on a rampage?

sincher · 24th April 2008, 13:13

The problem is not that people can't be bothered to see if other threads exist. I think people genuinely think they have an alternative and interesting slant on the game, and want people actually to read what they say - so they start a new thread regardless.

Problem is - usually they don't (have an alternative or interesting slant).

I think we will be trying to ensure all post-match analysis (or grumbling, or celebrating) goes in a single thread from now on.

Sparky19 · 24th April 2008, 13:37

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Originally Posted by golden_blunder

im actually agreeing with that now, the forums need some tough love

are we talking about getting whipped and chained with fluffy pink handcuffs?

cos im down for that

GloryHunter07 · 24th April 2008, 13:42

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Originally Posted by Hectic

At least we can look forward to a nice culling of various posters.

Vive la revolution!

Sparky19 · 24th April 2008, 13:44

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Originally Posted by Wibble

Ooooh! Excellent!

An axe wielding rampage.

we will need flaming torches too, this is what it could end up like

Wibble · 24th April 2008, 14:47

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Originally Posted by golden_blunder

im actually agreeing with that now, the forums need some tough love

Indeed.

I think 1 point infractions should now be the norm for repeat threads.

Top · 24th April 2008, 15:09

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Originally Posted by sincher

I think we will be trying to ensure all post-match analysis (or grumbling, or celebrating) goes in a single thread from now on.

Just make sure not to merge every single thread after the matches - what I love about this place is that we've always got new threads when something new has happened, or something different.
A lot of forums don't want their users to create new threads and even got 1 single thread for each player and it takes away the dynamics of the forum. Just look at RAWK, they got 130 pages threads for each player - so say Babel did something in a particular game and some user wants to highlight it, then he has to post it in that big 130 pages thread and it loses it's meaning after a few posts.

Last night someone asked why Anderson didn't play, but the thread got merged with something completely random (I know the whole merging last night was probably some kind of demonstration from the said mod) and it'd be a shame if you started merging all post-match related threads.
I understand why general post-match moaning should be merged, but don't turn into to RAWK so that we only got 1 thread after the match, it'd ruin the debate in my opinion. Say someone want to highlight our tactical mistakes then that thread shouldn't be merged with a thread where someone talks about our strong defence. Just merge threads that are identical, if you merge everything then we'll have one big thread discussing 10 different aspects of the game, and those discussions would cross each other multiply times and people wouldn't know what's up and what's down - then it's much better to have those 10 different aspects of the game discussed in 10 different threads. Of course some of those aspects could be very close and would need merging like yesterday where we had a thread comparing us to Reading and a couple others focusing on our defensive take on the game.
But then there was also a thread asking how we were any different from Chelsea and Liverpool - if you merge that with the Reading comparison then the original question would soon lose meaning and cross with Reading comparisons - that might be what you want, but I'd prefer two separate threads in such case.

Then again, that's just how I see it.

anything about now · 24th April 2008, 15:33

agreed, last night there were at least 3 threads about chelsea/liverpool and 2 with 'shit' in the title

sincher · 24th April 2008, 17:26

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Originally Posted by Top

Just make sure not to merge every single thread after the matches - what I love about this place is that we've always got new threads when something new has happened, or something different.
A lot of forums don't want their users to create new threads and even got 1 single thread for each player and it takes away the dynamics of the forum. Just look at RAWK, they got 130 pages threads for each player - so say Babel did something in a particular game and some user wants to highlight it, then he has to post it in that big 130 pages thread and it loses it's meaning after a few posts.

Last night someone asked why Anderson didn't play, but the thread got merged with something completely random (I know the whole merging last night was probably some kind of demonstration from the said mod) and it'd be a shame if you started merging all post-match related threads.
I understand why general post-match moaning should be merged, but don't turn into to RAWK so that we only got 1 thread after the match, it'd ruin the debate in my opinion. Say someone want to highlight our tactical mistakes then that thread shouldn't be merged with a thread where someone talks about our strong defence. Just merge threads that are identical, if you merge everything then we'll have one big thread discussing 10 different aspects of the game, and those discussions would cross each other multiply times and people wouldn't know what's up and what's down - then it's much better to have those 10 different aspects of the game discussed in 10 different threads. Of course some of those aspects could be very close and would need merging like yesterday where we had a thread comparing us to Reading and a couple others focusing on our defensive take on the game.
But then there was also a thread asking how we were any different from Chelsea and Liverpool - if you merge that with the Reading comparison then the original question would soon lose meaning and cross with Reading comparisons - that might be what you want, but I'd prefer two separate threads in such case.

Then again, that's just how I see it.

Top, I agree with you re merging. It doesn't help anything.

But what if there was 1 thread for post-match analysis, and new threads that do not have a distinct point are swiftly deleted? Obviously this relies on the mods judging well when a thread does have a distinct point.

My view is that questioning why a player didn't start is just more post-match analysis. Asking if anyone knows if he's injured might just about qualify for its own thread - it will be tough to judge.

noodlehair · 24th April 2008, 18:30

It's not that tough to judge, it'll just be tough to implement.

Luckily, you've already voluteered to do it single handedly

Top · 24th April 2008, 18:34

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Originally Posted by sincher

My view is that questioning why a player didn't start is just more post-match analysis. Asking if anyone knows if he's injured might just about qualify for its own thread - it will be tough to judge.

I just think it's unnecessary to put all post-match stuff together, it'd do more harm than good in my view. I don't see the problem with having separate threads focusing on different aspects of the post-match analysis.
Let's say someone wants to talk about how useless it is using Rooney on the wing, another poster wants to talk about how Anderson could have made a difference, then someone wants to talk about how we should have attacked some more, then there's one calling Park invisible and finally we have someone talking about how solid our defence was.
Imagine having all those different discussions in the same thread - it would be chaos, and we'd have 5 posts discussing the same subject spread over various pages - it would be much better to keep the posts re. Rooney together in one thread and praise for our defence in another, as people would then be discussing the exact same thing and don't have to look through one giant thread in order to find segments of a discussion.

Again that's just my opinion, but I really can't see any advantages of having one huge thread.

noodlehair · 24th April 2008, 18:48

I agree with that.

It wouldn't have to be one huge thread though. All of those threads you mentioned could still happen. It depends how it's gone about

Richter · 24th April 2008, 20:39

The massive thread merging is a disaster. Yes there is lots of new threads about the same thing after most matches but most of them "die" away after a couple of hours and then discussion continues in one particular thread. For example Colin's "Well that'll do, eh?" thread turned into the unofficial post match discussion. Having "official" threads about matches and players created by mods will result in this forum ultimately turning into a crap forum. I remember posting about a goalkeeper in a hockey teams forum and then one mod told me to post in the +7000 replies thread about our goalies being crap...

noodlehair · 24th April 2008, 21:10

Ice-hockey goalkeepers should never concede any goals, ever. I mean, they're twice the size of the fecking goal, and arn't allowed off their line. There's no possible excuse

WeasteDevil · 24th April 2008, 22:12

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Originally Posted by Kristjan

Want to be admin for a day and go on a rampage?

Yes, I could do that!

peterstorey · 24th April 2008, 22:23

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Originally Posted by Richter

The massive thread merging is a disaster. Yes there is lots of new threads about the same thing after most matches but most of them "die" away after a couple of hours and then discussion continues in one particular thread. ..

That's right - it's Darwinian - the fittest threads survive and the others sink to the bottom of the caf pool. We don't want no creationist mods.

WeasteDevil · 24th April 2008, 22:32

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Originally Posted by Top

Just make sure not to merge every single thread after the matches - what I love about this place is that we've always got new threads when something new has happened, or something different.
A lot of forums don't want their users to create new threads and even got 1 single thread for each player and it takes away the dynamics of the forum. Just look at RAWK, they got 130 pages threads for each player - so say Babel did something in a particular game and some user wants to highlight it, then he has to post it in that big 130 pages thread and it loses it's meaning after a few posts.

Last night someone asked why Anderson didn't play, but the thread got merged with something completely random (I know the whole merging last night was probably some kind of demonstration from the said mod) and it'd be a shame if you started merging all post-match related threads.
I understand why general post-match moaning should be merged, but don't turn into to RAWK so that we only got 1 thread after the match, it'd ruin the debate in my opinion. Say someone want to highlight our tactical mistakes then that thread shouldn't be merged with a thread where someone talks about our strong defence. Just merge threads that are identical, if you merge everything then we'll have one big thread discussing 10 different aspects of the game, and those discussions would cross each other multiply times and people wouldn't know what's up and what's down - then it's much better to have those 10 different aspects of the game discussed in 10 different threads. Of course some of those aspects could be very close and would need merging like yesterday where we had a thread comparing us to Reading and a couple others focusing on our defensive take on the game.
But then there was also a thread asking how we were any different from Chelsea and Liverpool - if you merge that with the Reading comparison then the original question would soon lose meaning and cross with Reading comparisons - that might be what you want, but I'd prefer two separate threads in such case.

Then again, that's just how I see it.

It might help if the some of the creators of the threads actually spent a few seconds in a little thought to give the thread a decent non-ambiguous title and a well considered first post. Most of them don't.

24th April 2008, 05:32	#41 (permalink)
Hectic Der UberMod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Secret Conspiracy... Posts: 20,773	It's not hard to cheat the system though e7, even if you are a complete retard you can muster up enough good posts to get promoted. It's much easier to get rid of the idiots when they make themselves most visible, on night likes tonight. At least we can look forward to a nice culling of various posters.

24th April 2008, 05:33	#42 (permalink)
Wibble Teeth like a reindeer. Hung like a horse. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Ingadus Speramus Posts: 33,631	Newbies do earn their way in. You should see what doesn't make it. Only about 10% or less of newbies ever make it to the main forums. The ones that do make it often doen't reveal the inner muppet until they get out of the newbie. Like kids let out of school early.

24th April 2008, 05:35	#43 (permalink)
Wibble Teeth like a reindeer. Hung like a horse. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Ingadus Speramus Posts: 33,631	Ooooh! Excellent! An axe wielding rampage.

24th April 2008, 05:37	#44 (permalink)
Hectic Der UberMod Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Secret Conspiracy... Posts: 20,773	It's been coming, now there's good reason for it. I think the idea came from posts in this very thread actually.

24th April 2008, 05:40	#45 (permalink)
ecantona7 unlucky bet winner Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Whatever happens, there are always things you could have done better. You score two goals and you usually feel you could have done better.You score two goals and you usually feel you could have scored a third. That's what makes you progress in life. Posts: 5,491	Fair enough Hectic and Wibble. I just hope that when these mongs do show themselves you guys can get rid of them or deduct enough rep points so they get a temporary ban or something.

24th April 2008, 10:40	#47 (permalink)
Wibble Teeth like a reindeer. Hung like a horse. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Ingadus Speramus Posts: 33,631	Come the revolution guess who will be first against the wall?

24th April 2008, 12:07	#48 (permalink)
WeasteDevil Hand Solo Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Castellón de la Plana Posts: 56,062

24th April 2008, 13:13	#53 (permalink)
sincher Les jeux sont Fait Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: YSC Posts: 13,491	The problem is not that people can't be bothered to see if other threads exist. I think people genuinely think they have an alternative and interesting slant on the game, and want people actually to read what they say - so they start a new thread regardless. Problem is - usually they don't (have an alternative or interesting slant). I think we will be trying to ensure all post-match analysis (or grumbling, or celebrating) goes in a single thread from now on.

24th April 2008, 15:33	#59 (permalink)
anything about now MUFC lad living in a matriel world Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,103	agreed, last night there were at least 3 threads about chelsea/liverpool and 2 with 'shit' in the title

24th April 2008, 18:30	#61 (permalink)
noodlehair Fired? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. Posts: 29,823	It's not that tough to judge, it'll just be tough to implement. Luckily, you've already voluteered to do it single handedly

24th April 2008, 18:48	#63 (permalink)
noodlehair Fired? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. Posts: 29,823	I agree with that. It wouldn't have to be one huge thread though. All of those threads you mentioned could still happen. It depends how it's gone about

24th April 2008, 20:39	#64 (permalink)
Richter Hairy big footed Swede Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Trying to burn down Marca's office Posts: 24,618	The massive thread merging is a disaster. Yes there is lots of new threads about the same thing after most matches but most of them "die" away after a couple of hours and then discussion continues in one particular thread. For example Colin's "Well that'll do, eh?" thread turned into the unofficial post match discussion. Having "official" threads about matches and players created by mods will result in this forum ultimately turning into a crap forum. I remember posting about a goalkeeper in a hockey teams forum and then one mod told me to post in the +7000 replies thread about our goalies being crap...

24th April 2008, 21:10	#65 (permalink)
noodlehair Fired? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. Posts: 29,823	Ice-hockey goalkeepers should never concede any goals, ever. I mean, they're twice the size of the fecking goal, and arn't allowed off their line. There's no possible excuse

25th April 2008, 00:03	#69 (permalink)
CockneyHammer Or just Cock for short