Poll: Does Lazio have a racist problem?

27th November 2001, 15:23

[quote]Originally posted by Beckham007:


No. But alot of my freinds family was ?
Blinkered ?
Fuck off barcode.<hr></blockquote>

Really? You have freinds and family who were actually with Arkan in Bosnia?

That's interesting.

27th November 2001, 15:28

Were they indicted in 1997 by the United Nations war crimes tribunal for crimes against humanity too?

Suedesi · 27th November 2001, 15:37

[quote]Originally posted by geordie1:
Were they indicted in 1997 by the United Nations war crimes tribunal for crimes against humanity too?<hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Becks007 stop embarassing yourself.

P.S. If you're going to use the cyrillic version of Through Unity Serbia is Saved (CCCC), use the cyrillic spelling for СРБИЈА too. You should know better than an American.

Beckham007 · 28th November 2001, 01:36

[quote]Originally posted by geordie1:
Were they indicted in 1997 by the United Nations war crimes tribunal for crimes against humanity too?<hr></blockquote>

So barcode.

Who else was indicted ? Just Serbs ??

Fuckwit.

Beckham007 · 28th November 2001, 01:39

[quote]Originally posted by Suedesi:


<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Becks007 stop embarassing yourself.

P.S. If you're going to use the cyrillic version of Through Unity Serbia is Saved (CCCC), use the cyrillic spelling for СРБИЈА too. You should know better than an American.<hr></blockquote>

Why should I spell Serbia in cyrillic way ?
Whats the point ? Who would understand it ?

Embarassing myself ?

SAMO SLOGA SRBINA SPASAVA !

Raoul · 28th November 2001, 01:40

007 is it possible for you to communicate without swearing at everyone you disagree with ?

thanks in advance

Beckham007 · 28th November 2001, 01:59

[quote]Originally posted by Raoul:
007 is it possible for you to communicate without swearing at everyone you disagree with ?

thanks in advance

<hr></blockquote>

Impossible.
Especially shit like this.

Thank YOU in advance.

Raoul · 28th November 2001, 02:05

Good to see you're flexible and understanding. If you have a point to make, then I suggest you try using a more educated approach - otherwise it brings the entire discussion down.

28th November 2001, 02:06

[quote]Originally posted by Beckham007:


So barcode.

Who else was indicted ? Just Serbs ??

Fuckwit.<hr></blockquote>

This doesn't have anything to do with Serbs in general. Just one specific Serb: Arkan. For some reason you seem to object to his being characterized as a bad guy. He was a war criminal ffs.

This isn't a big anti-Serbian conspiracy. If Lazio players/supporters had been fraternizing with war criminals of other nationalities I'm sure that would have been mentioned in the article as well. Just so happens that Arkan was Serbian.

28th November 2001, 02:54

Ohhhh goooooooooooodddddddddddd! Not again!

Bury Red · 28th November 2001, 02:55

Is all this Arkan business not a convenient excuse to have a go at the Lazio fans again? It reminds me of the uproar in here when Andy Goram signed for United which all stemmed back to his links with republican terrorists earlier in his career.

Didn't certain sections of the Rangers and Celtic support seize on Goram's misplaced friendship to stir up the obligatory sectarian abuse during the Old Firm games at the time.

I stand by my earlier argument that it is not just a Lazio or Italian problem, it exists in all walks of life and is simply reflected in the demonstrations of a moronic minority in football stadia the world over. It's not even restricted purely to racism (where's the racism in the Arkan banners), it's down to prejudice pure and simple Jew/Gentile, Black/White, Catholic/Proddy, Croat/Serb.

When we start reducing whole swathes of humanity to simplistic labels then we oversimplify things and miss the best bits of life's rich tapestry. Hell I've even met plenty of scousers who I get on with and would class as good mates it doesn't mean there is no room for good natured banter but the language of violence associated with many of these prejudiced dick heads has no place in society, let alone football.

If your heart is filled with hatred, where is the room for love. Racism, sectarianism, xenophobia, religious intolerance are cancers in human society as old as time and can be stopped just by all wanting to. When do you stop an argument? when everyone on one side is dead, or when you can't remember how it started in the feckin' first place?

28th November 2001, 07:22

100% bury red.

Suedesi · 28th November 2001, 11:08

[quote]Originally posted by Bury Red:
Is all this Arkan business not a convenient excuse to have a go at the Lazio fans again? <hr></blockquote>

No it's not. I thought Arkan issue (rehashed by Becks007 for reasons beyond the scope of this thread) per se was rather non-important. First Amendment thing... you could argue that it's the same principle as burning the flag. You have the right to say, display whatever the fuck (pardon the word here Raoul) you want. It's in bad taste imo, but certainly not illegal. Fine.

However, it is a different thing when these hate manifestations turn to violence. What's cool about throwing a scooter from the stands, or a bomb, or bottles, coins. What's cool about fascist/Arkan banners in a football game? What's cool about right wing parties using the football grounds as platforms for their ideologies? What's cool about ultras fighting almost every game. What's cool about getting caught in the crossfire? What was cool about British clubs getting banned for 5 years in Europe becasue of Heysel? Can't we fucking learn before it's too late?

Sing your songs and cheer your players. Have a go at the opponents, but do it with humor and STYLE.

28th November 2001, 12:38

nice to hear you talking about style... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Suedesi · 28th November 2001, 12:46

Nice to see you contribute anything meaningful to this forum.

Beckham007 · 28th November 2001, 13:01

I brought up Arkan in this thread ???

<img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Suedesi · 28th November 2001, 13:06

[quote]Originally posted by Beckham007:
I brought up Arkan in this thread ???

<hr></blockquote>

Not initially. You brought it up to another level... out of the whole thread "Arkan" seems to be your major concern. And fighting with geordie.

The Champ · 28th November 2001, 14:44

Hey everybody, have a drink on me

Richter · 28th November 2001, 14:47

Lazio fans are not racist except curva nord.Look at the scousers all are racists.

27th November 2001, 15:23	#41 (permalink)
geordie1 Posts: n/a	[quote]Originally posted by Beckham007: <strong> No. But alot of my freinds family was ? Blinkered ? Fuck off barcode.</strong><hr></blockquote> Really? You have freinds and family who were actually with Arkan in Bosnia? That's interesting.

27th November 2001, 15:37	#43 (permalink)
Suedesi First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York City Posts: 8,925	[quote]Originally posted by geordie1: <strong>Were they indicted in 1997 by the United Nations war crimes tribunal for crimes against humanity too?</strong><hr></blockquote> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Becks007 stop embarassing yourself. P.S. If you're going to use the cyrillic version of Through Unity Serbia is Saved (CCCC), use the cyrillic spelling for СРБИЈА too. You should know better than an American.

28th November 2001, 01:36	#44 (permalink)
Beckham007 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Sir Matt Busby Way - LUHG Posts: 4,359	[quote]Originally posted by geordie1: <strong>Were they indicted in 1997 by the United Nations war crimes tribunal for crimes against humanity too?</strong><hr></blockquote> So barcode. Who else was indicted ? Just Serbs ?? Fuckwit.

28th November 2001, 01:39	#45 (permalink)
Beckham007 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Sir Matt Busby Way - LUHG Posts: 4,359	[quote]Originally posted by Suedesi: <strong> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Becks007 stop embarassing yourself. P.S. If you're going to use the cyrillic version of Through Unity Serbia is Saved (CCCC), use the cyrillic spelling for СРБИЈА too. You should know better than an American.</strong><hr></blockquote> Why should I spell Serbia in cyrillic way ? Whats the point ? Who would understand it ? Embarassing myself ? SAMO SLOGA SRBINA SPASAVA !

28th November 2001, 01:59	#47 (permalink)
Beckham007 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Sir Matt Busby Way - LUHG Posts: 4,359	[quote]Originally posted by Raoul: <strong>007 is it possible for you to communicate without swearing at everyone you disagree with ? thanks in advance </strong><hr></blockquote> Impossible. Especially shit like this. Thank YOU in advance.

27th November 2001, 15:28	#42 (permalink)
geordie1 Posts: n/a	Were they indicted in 1997 by the United Nations war crimes tribunal for crimes against humanity too?

28th November 2001, 01:40	#46 (permalink)
Raoul Revolutionizer Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Baghdad Posts: 26,408	007 is it possible for you to communicate without swearing at everyone you disagree with ? thanks in advance

28th November 2001, 02:05	#48 (permalink)
Raoul Revolutionizer Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Baghdad Posts: 26,408	Good to see you're flexible and understanding. If you have a point to make, then I suggest you try using a more educated approach - otherwise it brings the entire discussion down.

28th November 2001, 02:06	#49 (permalink)
geordie1 Posts: n/a	[quote]Originally posted by Beckham007: <strong> So barcode. Who else was indicted ? Just Serbs ?? Fuckwit.</strong><hr></blockquote> This doesn't have anything to do with Serbs in general. Just one specific Serb: Arkan. For some reason you seem to object to his being characterized as a bad guy. He was a war criminal ffs. This isn't a big anti-Serbian conspiracy. If Lazio players/supporters had been fraternizing with war criminals of other nationalities I'm sure that would have been mentioned in the article as well. Just so happens that Arkan was Serbian.

28th November 2001, 02:54	#50 (permalink)
WeasteDevil Posts: n/a	Ohhhh goooooooooooodddddddddddd! Not again!

28th November 2001, 02:55	#51 (permalink)
Bury Red Backs Fergie, Yells Giggs! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Singapore Posts: 7,492	Is all this Arkan business not a convenient excuse to have a go at the Lazio fans again? It reminds me of the uproar in here when Andy Goram signed for United which all stemmed back to his links with republican terrorists earlier in his career. Didn't certain sections of the Rangers and Celtic support seize on Goram's misplaced friendship to stir up the obligatory sectarian abuse during the Old Firm games at the time. I stand by my earlier argument that it is not just a Lazio or Italian problem, it exists in all walks of life and is simply reflected in the demonstrations of a moronic minority in football stadia the world over. It's not even restricted purely to racism (where's the racism in the Arkan banners), it's down to prejudice pure and simple Jew/Gentile, Black/White, Catholic/Proddy, Croat/Serb. When we start reducing whole swathes of humanity to simplistic labels then we oversimplify things and miss the best bits of life's rich tapestry. Hell I've even met plenty of scousers who I get on with and would class as good mates it doesn't mean there is no room for good natured banter but the language of violence associated with many of these prejudiced dick heads has no place in society, let alone football. If your heart is filled with hatred, where is the room for love. Racism, sectarianism, xenophobia, religious intolerance are cancers in human society as old as time and can be stopped just by all wanting to. When do you stop an argument? when everyone on one side is dead, or when you can't remember how it started in the feckin' first place?

28th November 2001, 07:22	#52 (permalink)
jester Posts: n/a	100% bury red.

28th November 2001, 11:08	#53 (permalink)
Suedesi First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York City Posts: 8,925	[quote]Originally posted by Bury Red: <strong>Is all this Arkan business not a convenient excuse to have a go at the Lazio fans again? </strong><hr></blockquote> No it's not. I thought Arkan issue (rehashed by Becks007 for reasons beyond the scope of this thread) per se was rather non-important. First Amendment thing... you could argue that it's the same principle as burning the flag. You have the right to say, display whatever the fuck (pardon the word here Raoul) you want. It's in bad taste imo, but certainly not illegal. Fine. However, it is a different thing when these hate manifestations turn to violence. What's cool about throwing a scooter from the stands, or a bomb, or bottles, coins. What's cool about fascist/Arkan banners in a football game? What's cool about right wing parties using the football grounds as platforms for their ideologies? What's cool about ultras fighting almost every game. What's cool about getting caught in the crossfire? What was cool about British clubs getting banned for 5 years in Europe becasue of Heysel? Can't we fucking learn before it's too late? Sing your songs and cheer your players. Have a go at the opponents, but do it with humor and STYLE.

28th November 2001, 12:38	#54 (permalink)
jester Posts: n/a	nice to hear you talking about style... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

28th November 2001, 12:46	#55 (permalink)
Suedesi First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York City Posts: 8,925	Nice to see you contribute anything meaningful to this forum.

28th November 2001, 13:01	#56 (permalink)
Beckham007 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Sir Matt Busby Way - LUHG Posts: 4,359	I brought up Arkan in this thread ??? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

28th November 2001, 13:06	#57 (permalink)
Suedesi First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York City Posts: 8,925	[quote]Originally posted by Beckham007: <strong>I brought up Arkan in this thread ??? </strong><hr></blockquote> Not initially. You brought it up to another level... out of the whole thread "Arkan" seems to be your major concern. And fighting with geordie.

28th November 2001, 14:44	#58 (permalink)
The Champ Banned Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 224	Hey everybody, have a drink on me

28th November 2001, 14:47	#59 (permalink)
Richter Hairy big footed Swede Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Trying to burn down Marca's office Posts: 24,639	Lazio fans are not racist except curva nord.Look at the scousers all are racists.