Saha is an ungrateful, disloyal bastard

Re_Deus · 19th January 2004, 15:53

Do contracts and loyalty mean nothing to these players anymore?

Once more ManU upset a club due to the manner in which they approached the player; can ManU ever do things by the book and not piss off every club they deal with?

Bearing ManU's dodgy dealings in mind, both club and newcomer deserve each other. ManU will be signing a ludicrously over-rated player for a ludicrous price - yet another big money dud signed by Fergie. The fact he has no loyalty whatsoever to the team that made him what he is should worry some Mancs. A few years down the line, he could well turn his anger on Fergie and the ManU board for whatever reason.
A real model professional you Mancs have signed...

An Extremely Boring Man · 19th January 2004, 15:54

What did United do wrong?

peterstorey · 19th January 2004, 15:57

More to the point he's a very ordinary player. Man U have spent £20M+ on him and Ronaldo when they could have bought a Ronaldhino or comparable world class player for that kind of money.

Mickeyredlad · 19th January 2004, 15:57

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Originally Posted by Re_Deus

Do contracts and loyalty mean nothing to these players anymore?

Once more ManU upset a club due to the manner in which they approached the player; can ManU ever do things by the book and not piss off every club they deal with?

Bearing ManU's dodgy dealings in mind, both club and newcomer deserve each other. ManU will be signing a ludicrously over-rated player for a ludicrous price - yet another big money dud signed by Fergie. The fact he has no loyalty whatsoever to the team that made him what he is should worry some Mancs. A few years down the line, he could well turn his anger on Fergie and the ManU board for whatever reason.
A real model professional you Mancs have signed...

An Extremely Boring Man · 19th January 2004, 15:58

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

More to the point he's a very ordinary player. Man U have spent £20M+ on him and Ronaldo when they could have bought a Ronaldhino or comparable world class player for that kind of money.

How could we have bouth Ronaldinho for that kind of money when a) PSG wanted more and b) he chose Barca?

What a strange thing to say

weirdo

Amir · 19th January 2004, 16:00

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Originally Posted by An Extremely Boring Man

What did United do wrong?

We made a bid for him. That is against the rule it seems.

An Extremely Boring Man · 19th January 2004, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Amir

We made a bid for him. That is against the rule it seems.

How dare we????

Davo · 19th January 2004, 16:01

Don't worry

Magnier will stop the Mancs

peterstorey · 19th January 2004, 16:02

He's being used as an example of the kind of quality you might expect for such an outlay as you well know you tosser.

An Extremely Boring Man · 19th January 2004, 16:05

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

He's being used as an example of the kind of quality you might expect for such an outlay as you well know you tosser.

Easy now...

We're looking for a squad-player, a back-up for Ruud. We won't get a world class player for that role.

Why are people so concerned with how much we pay, as long as it works?

weRutd&werule · 19th January 2004, 16:07

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

More to the point he's a very ordinary player. Man U have spent £20M+ on him and Ronaldo when they could have bought a Ronaldhino or comparable world class player for that kind of money.

We spent slightly over £10m on a very good young player. He is one of the top scorers in the league and he has been playing for a below-average team. £10m really is small change to us. If there was a better player eligable to play in the CL then we would have bought him no matter what the cost. Ronaldo is the best young player in the world. Ronaldhino is a goofy cunt.

Keane16 · 19th January 2004, 16:08

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Originally Posted by Re_Deus

Do contracts and loyalty mean nothing to these players anymore?

Once more ManU upset a club due to the manner in which they approached the player; can ManU ever do things by the book and not piss off every club they deal with?

you're a halfwit

Re_Deus · 19th January 2004, 16:10

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Originally Posted by An Extremely Boring Man

What did United do wrong?

Obviously ManU did SOMETHING untoward that has pissed off both the Fulham manager and chairman. I doubt they're angry purely because ManU had the audacity to bid for their player.

Let's remember this isn't the first time ManU have pissed off another club. PSV have had to endure almost a yearly ritual in which ManU unsettle their players, resulting in critcism from their officials.
Now it's come to light that ManU's transfer of Klberson might have involved some illegal activity.
ManU's very approach to their transfer targets is rotten to the core, and it's time they showed some respect to other clubs by making legitimate approaches for their players, and conduct their deals in a fair manner.

peterstorey · 19th January 2004, 16:13

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Originally Posted by An Extremely Boring Man

Why are people so concerned with how much we pay, as long as it works?

I'm happy if you sign second raters for top whack but I'm surprised that t you are since you will end up with a second rate team.

Dans · 19th January 2004, 16:18

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Originally Posted by Re_Deus

Obviously ManU did SOMETHING untoward that has pissed off both the Fulham manager and chairman. I doubt they're angry purely because ManU had the audacity to bid for their player.

Let's remember this isn't the first time ManU have pissed off another club. PSV have had to endure almost a yearly ritual in which ManU unsettle their players, resulting in critcism from their officials.
Now it's come to light that ManU's transfer of Klberson might have involved some illegal activity.
ManU's very approach to their transfer targets is rotten to the core, and it's time they showed some respect to other clubs by making legitimate approaches for their players, and conduct their deals in a fair manner.

Endure?? PSV profitted to the tune of nigh on 30 million pounds for 2 players who were never going to stay there.

Please explain a legitimate approach and please also detail how the case of Saha was not legitimate.

An Extremely Boring Man · 19th January 2004, 16:20

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Originally Posted by Re_Deus

Obviously ManU did SOMETHING untoward that has pissed off both the Fulham manager and chairman. I doubt they're angry purely because ManU had the audacity to bid for their player.

Let's remember this isn't the first time ManU have pissed off another club. PSV have had to endure almost a yearly ritual in which ManU unsettle their players, resulting in critcism from their officials.
Now it's come to light that ManU's transfer of Klberson might have involved some illegal activity.
ManU's very approach to their transfer targets is rotten to the core, and it's time they showed some respect to other clubs by making legitimate approaches for their players, and conduct their deals in a fair manner.

We're not talking about PSV - we're talking about Fulham and Saha.

mu77 · 19th January 2004, 16:21

Why are people so concerned with how much we pay, as long as it works?

they're investers - of course!

An Extremely Boring Man · 19th January 2004, 16:21

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

I'm happy if you sign second raters for top whack but I'm surprised that t you are since you will end up with a second rate team.

I'm not going to worry about it even before he's signed for us.

Is Saha better than Bellion and Forlan?

mu77 · 19th January 2004, 16:23

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Originally Posted by An Extremely Boring Man

Is Saha better than Bellion and Forlan?

or donkey or wilturd?

Re_Deus · 19th January 2004, 16:28

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Originally Posted by Dans

Endure?? PSV profitted to the tune of nigh on 30 million pounds for 2 players who were never going to stay there.

Please explain a legitimate approach and please also detail how the case of Saha was not legitimate.

From what we've been led to believe, ManU peppered Fulham with bids that did not match Fulham's estimate. ManU should have made ONE bid - the figure Fulham were asking. Other bids that fell short of Fulham's demands were designed to aggravate the player, who is a commodity of the selling club, to the extent that he’d end up asking for a transfer.

Once his mind was made up, Fulham had no choice but to sell Saha for a fee dictated by ManU, and NOT them. They were held to ransom by Saha, who threatened to leave for free unless his demands were met. I'm fairly sure ManU were instructing Saha and told him to kick up a stink that would eventually lead to his cheap sale.

This illustrates not just ManU's unprofessional methods in transfer dealings, but complete disloyalty from the starry eyed twit that forced his club to sell him when they were against it.

19th January 2004, 16:32

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Originally Posted by Re_Deus

From what we've been led to believe, ManU peppered Fulham with bids that did not match Fulham's estimate. ManU should have made ONE bid - the figure Fulham were asking. Other bids that fell short of Fulham's demands were designed to aggravate the player, who is a commodity of the selling club, to the extent that he’d end up asking for a transfer.

Once his mind was made up, Fulham had no choice but to sell Saha for a fee dictated by ManU, and NOT them. They were held to ransom by Saha, who threatened to leave for free unless his demands were met. I'm fairly sure ManU were instructing Saha and told him to kick up a stink that would eventually lead to his cheap sale.

This illustrates not just ManU's unprofessional methods in transfer dealings, but complete disloyalty from the starry eyed twit that forced his club to sell him when they were against it.

Thats bullshit. United made one bid for £8 million, as they are entitiled to do, which was confirmed by Fulham. Saha wanted to leave and said that if he didnt leave, he would see out his contract, which he is entitled to do. All the other things you are saying is your opinion and you dont have one shred of proof to back it up.

An Extremely Boring Man · 19th January 2004, 16:33

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Originally Posted by Re_Deus

From what we've been led to believe, ManU peppered Fulham with bids that did not match Fulham's estimate. ManU should have made ONE bid - the figure Fulham were asking.

Happens in most commercial dealings throughout the world, not only football.

Dans · 19th January 2004, 16:34

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Originally Posted by Re_Deus

From what we've been led to believe, ManU peppered Fulham with bids that did not match Fulham's estimate. ManU should have made ONE bid - the figure Fulham were asking. Other bids that fell short of Fulham's demands were designed to aggravate the player, who is a commodity of the selling club, to the extent that he’d end up asking for a transfer.

Once his mind was made up, Fulham had no choice but to sell Saha for a fee dictated by ManU, and NOT them. They were held to ransom by Saha, who threatened to leave for free unless his demands were met. I'm fairly sure ManU were instructing Saha and told him to kick up a stink that would eventually lead to his cheap sale.

This illustrates not just ManU's unprofessional methods in transfer dealings, but complete disloyalty from the starry eyed twit that forced his club to sell him when they were against it.

Man you are a bitter one.

If Saha wants to go I'm sure just the one bid would have made his mind up don't you?

mu77 · 19th January 2004, 16:35

lol - my ass - coleman on the telly from his own mouth said united have done nothing wrong - he said saha's agent was more of a problem. and the process was a mailed/delivered wriiten bid. saha wanted to leave. so every player transfered to any team is an ungrateful, disloyal blah blah or just the ones that choose united?

Re_Deus · 19th January 2004, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Dans

Man you are a bitter one.

If Saha wants to go I'm sure just the one bid would have made his mind up don't you?

Yes, but the bid was rejected, and he should have left it at that. Hence the disloyalty part. Scott Parker could also fall in this category if the speculation about him is true, but at least he's kept quiet and not gone running to the press, hoping their sensationlised headlines would help him win a move away.

If ManU wanted an ungrateful, disloyal tosser to lead their attack, they could have done much better. Jermaine Defoe would jump at the chance to join ManU and he's much better than one-season wonder Saha. And he's younger. And English...

An Extremely Boring Man · 19th January 2004, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Re_Deus

If ManU wanted an ungrateful, disloyal tosser to lead their attack, they could have done much better. Jermaine Defoe would jump at the chance to join ManU and he's much better than one-season wonder Saha. And he's younger. And English...

It makes me laugh how concerned so many non-United fans are with who we buy

Dans · 19th January 2004, 16:42

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Originally Posted by Re_Deus

Yes, but the bid was rejected, and he should have left it at that. Hence the disloyalty part. Scott Parker could also fall in this category if the speculation about him is true, but at least he's kept quiet and not gone running to the press, hoping their sensationlised headlines would help him win a move away.

If ManU wanted an ungrateful, disloyal tosser to lead their attack, they could have done much better. Jermaine Defoe would jump at the chance to join ManU and he's much better than one-season wonder Saha. And he's younger. And English...

I'd suggest that as it was not United who were after Parker the press weren't quite so interested. A story about United sells a paper. You're not really as dumb as you're making out are you?

Davo · 19th January 2004, 16:46

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Originally Posted by An Extremely Boring Man

It makes me laugh how concerned so many non-United fans are with who we buy

?

Loads of fans off all clubs are interested in who other clubs buy....see your transfer forum

mu77 · 19th January 2004, 16:47

redues - parker was unsettled enough to be dropped - so i'd like to think that is about as bad as it gets. maybe you think that's ok - i mean to unsettle a player enough as to be dropped. saha was so unsettled he took the peno kick for fulham. you make the call - who is more unsettled? and do you think maybe the media played a more important role in the saha thing than any of the parties actually involved?

An Extremely Boring Man · 19th January 2004, 16:48

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Originally Posted by Davo

?

Loads of fans off all clubs are interested in who other clubs buy....see your transfer forum

There are a bigger interest in who United buy than who anyone else buy

numlock · 19th January 2004, 16:48

defoe better?

no contracts dont mean much. What you think of that kanu who has been getting huge wages but respecting his contract peter?

An Extremely Boring Man · 19th January 2004, 16:51

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defoe better?

I think so - but that means feck all. Sir Alex obviously think Saha is the best available option out there.

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Re_Deus Little Englander Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,515	Saha is an ungrateful, disloyal bastard Do contracts and loyalty mean nothing to these players anymore? Once more ManU upset a club due to the manner in which they approached the player; can ManU ever do things by the book and not piss off every club they deal with? Bearing ManU's dodgy dealings in mind, both club and newcomer deserve each other. ManU will be signing a ludicrously over-rated player for a ludicrous price - yet another big money dud signed by Fergie. The fact he has no loyalty whatsoever to the team that made him what he is should worry some Mancs. A few years down the line, he could well turn his anger on Fergie and the ManU board for whatever reason. A real model professional you Mancs have signed...

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An Extremely Boring Man Retired 39,9999 not out Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: London / Oxford Posts: 39,941	What did United do wrong?

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peterstorey Winner of the 'Most pompous arrogant pretentious Gooner' title 2004 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Happy those, who can remain at Highbury! Posts: 9,229	More to the point he's a very ordinary player. Man U have spent £20M+ on him and Ronaldo when they could have bought a Ronaldhino or comparable world class player for that kind of money.

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Davo No Lifer Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: It's Ours For Keeps Posts: 55,283	Don't worry Magnier will stop the Mancs

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peterstorey Winner of the 'Most pompous arrogant pretentious Gooner' title 2004 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Happy those, who can remain at Highbury! Posts: 9,229	He's being used as an example of the kind of quality you might expect for such an outlay as you well know you tosser.

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mu77 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 4,325	Why are people so concerned with how much we pay, as long as it works? they're investers - of course!

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mu77 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 4,325	lol - my ass - coleman on the telly from his own mouth said united have done nothing wrong - he said saha's agent was more of a problem. and the process was a mailed/delivered wriiten bid. saha wanted to leave. so every player transfered to any team is an ungrateful, disloyal blah blah or just the ones that choose united?

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mu77 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 4,325	redues - parker was unsettled enough to be dropped - so i'd like to think that is about as bad as it gets. maybe you think that's ok - i mean to unsettle a player enough as to be dropped. saha was so unsettled he took the peno kick for fulham. you make the call - who is more unsettled? and do you think maybe the media played a more important role in the saha thing than any of the parties actually involved?

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numlock Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,015	defoe better? no contracts dont mean much. What you think of that kanu who has been getting huge wages but respecting his contract peter?