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MikeUpNorth · 19th December 2011, 14:01

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Originally Posted by Mockney

Presumably yeah. Since customs used it as well. But the woman at the dinner party talked about the possibility of suggestion throwing it off. Which was an interesting way they could've gone. I also thought the whole grainless movement/mugging people for memories could make for another interesting plot strand.

The dinner party woman said the power of suggestion can manipulate people's actual brain-stored memories (which is true, google 'false memories'), not the grains.

lynchie · 19th December 2011, 14:07

Mockney, do you ever read collections of short stories? I reckon they'd send you over the edge. They're forever leaving dangling threads, and things or characters you'd like to know more about.

I like the Black Mirror thing of it being a glimpse into an alternate reality. If you could only spend a couple of days in an alternate world, you could only really see a couple of things in focus, but there would be all sorts of interesting people or ideas that you'd like to know more on the periphery, things that would drive you mad because you'd been pulled away before you could find out more.

Mockney · 19th December 2011, 14:13

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Originally Posted by Spoony Youngblood

He was clearly looking for something, it just happened that he was right...I think he would've found the same path without the grain - but we all do stuff like that, I guess... paranoia eh? But yeah...I think the scope was massive but they didn't quite follow it through, a missed opportunity perhaps? probably. Whether it would've worked or not...I think it could've been more interesting. Anyway, cracking TV...best thing I've seen for a long time. It's a shame the box is full of reality TV shows and what not.

I think it's quite hard to make something with a large scope fit into a 45 minute running time. The 2nd one tried to have huge scope, but neglected the characters for me. This one was the opposite (and even Kebbell's obsession was progressed unnaturally quickly) so unless you made a film out of it, you were always going to be let down one way or the other.

My solution would've been to have him hire someone to steal her implant (like the girl at the party) after he'd become more obsessed and aware that after deleting Jonas', that was his only choice ...possibly killing her in the process even? only to find out he was actually wrong (or that it wasn't as bad as he imagined) That would've perhaps given it a bit more scope/weaved in some of the other elements/made it more dramatic. But then that probably would've felt a bit too OTT in a 45 minute setting. And the fact that he wasn't just right all along, but that it was worse, made a good use of the "do you really want to know?/Truth Hurts" factor.

I think that last scene when he was goading her to show him was suitably dramatic, and alarmingly plausible enough tbh..

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Originally Posted by MikeUpNorth

The dinner party woman said the power of suggestion can manipulate people's actual brain-stored memories, not the grains.

Ooh Ok. That makes more sense with her being very pro-grain.

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Originally Posted by lynchie

Mockney, do you ever read collections of short stories? I reckon they'd send you over the edge. They're forever leaving dangling threads, and things or characters you'd like to know more about..

I'm not that bad. The one that bothered me the most was the one with the most tied up ending, but just the least drawn characters.

I think we should write one Mike. Call it White Window. No one would clock on.

Pogue Mahone · 19th December 2011, 15:44

On the whole grain thing, I don't think it purported to be a download of all your memories, so much as a direct recording of what you see/hear, without all the other sensory overlays you get with a memory. Basically a live feed from your auditory/optical cortex (which made the location a bit silly, as it happens) Otherwise, reviewing past sexual encounters would be just like actually going through them again. No need to simultaneously have sex/masturbate.

I think was quite an important point to bear in mind in the closing scene when all he could do was review his relationship almost as a series of home movies, without being able to tap into any of the positive emotions.

If you could actually full on, relive memories then people might spend their whole live re-living happier times from their past, completely ignoring the present. Be a bit like those "dream junkies" in Until The End of the World.

MikeUpNorth · 19th December 2011, 16:29

Yeah, that's how I saw it Pogue.

Randall Flagg · 11th January 2012, 22:16

Watched all 3 of these over the weekend. Outstanding show...didnt realise there are only 3 though.

Will there be more?

Randall Flagg · 11th January 2012, 22:18

Cant make up my mind which the best one was. All 3 make a good case

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19th December 2011, 14:07	#42 (permalink)
lynchie First Team Sub Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,750	Mockney, do you ever read collections of short stories? I reckon they'd send you over the edge. They're forever leaving dangling threads, and things or characters you'd like to know more about. I like the Black Mirror thing of it being a glimpse into an alternate reality. If you could only spend a couple of days in an alternate world, you could only really see a couple of things in focus, but there would be all sorts of interesting people or ideas that you'd like to know more on the periphery, things that would drive you mad because you'd been pulled away before you could find out more.

19th December 2011, 15:44	#44 (permalink)
Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "like a man in silk pyjamas shooting pigeons from a deckchair" Posts: 59,508	On the whole grain thing, I don't think it purported to be a download of all your memories, so much as a direct recording of what you see/hear, without all the other sensory overlays you get with a memory. Basically a live feed from your auditory/optical cortex (which made the location a bit silly, as it happens) Otherwise, reviewing past sexual encounters would be just like actually going through them again. No need to simultaneously have sex/masturbate. I think was quite an important point to bear in mind in the closing scene when all he could do was review his relationship almost as a series of home movies, without being able to tap into any of the positive emotions. If you could actually full on, relive memories then people might spend their whole live re-living happier times from their past, completely ignoring the present. Be a bit like those "dream junkies" in Until The End of the World.

19th December 2011, 16:29	#45 (permalink)
MikeUpNorth Wobbles like a massive pair of tits Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 13,227	Yeah, that's how I saw it Pogue.

11th January 2012, 22:16	#46 (permalink)
Randall Flagg Scarlett woman ( Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn ) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16,676	Watched all 3 of these over the weekend. Outstanding show...didnt realise there are only 3 though. Will there be more?

11th January 2012, 22:18	#47 (permalink)
Randall Flagg Scarlett woman ( Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn ) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16,676	Cant make up my mind which the best one was. All 3 make a good case