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Old 27th January 2012, 16:09   #281 (permalink)
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Quite sad that it's coming to an end... it's been an entertaining ride.

Sarah better have a good outfit to mark the occassion with...
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Old 27th January 2012, 16:11   #282 (permalink)
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So what do you guys think the end is gonna be?

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I'm fairly sure that the ending dialogue will be "Guys I know Kung Fu", Think one of the main character will die
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Old 27th January 2012, 16:14   #283 (permalink)
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Haven't seen it since early S4, where I thought it good a bit poor and was running out of ideas. Loved it before that.

Is it worth getting back into?
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Old 27th January 2012, 16:21   #284 (permalink)
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This season has on the whole been better than the back half of season 4
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Old 27th January 2012, 16:26   #285 (permalink)
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And like I said last week I'm assuming the payoff is
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Chuck crapping on about how much he loves Sarah magically restoring her memory


I'm assuming the final out before fade to black will be someone flashing - either Chuck or one of the Buy Morons
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Old 27th January 2012, 16:26   #286 (permalink)
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Yup Season 5 has been good IMO.
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Old 28th January 2012, 08:00   #287 (permalink)
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Actually decent final episode. I'm glad they didn't just magically bring her memory back.

Also I felt a sense of jeopardy for Beckman there because I thought she might end up being the final heroic sacrifice


I miss it already.
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Old 28th January 2012, 10:37   #288 (permalink)
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That was a great finale.
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Old 28th January 2012, 14:51   #289 (permalink)
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Old 28th January 2012, 15:31   #290 (permalink)
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Actually on second though I am kind of annoyed that

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the ending is basically them resetting any kind of character development that Sarah and John had undergone in the last 5 years.

John, despite now knowing he has a daughter, is basically going back to being an emotionally detached military man.

Sarah doesn't really remember anything and ultimately the resolution to her losing her memory is oh well I'll just fall in love with Chuck all over again. While that's preferable to her magically regaining the memory when Chuck says that he loves her or something shit like that it does mean that all that stuff about her growing from an cold super spy to making peace with her dad, losing her distrusting nature and wanting to start a family with Chuck is gone.

A slightly rubbish ending in that they're basically all where they were 5 years ago
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Old 28th January 2012, 15:40   #291 (permalink)
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Loved the finale. The second part especially was awesome IMO. As good as chuck can be IMO
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Old 28th January 2012, 15:41   #292 (permalink)
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Actually on second though I am kind of annoyed that

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the ending is basically them resetting any kind of character development that Sarah and John had undergone in the last 5 years.

John, despite now knowing he has a daughter, is basically going back to being an emotionally detached military man.

Sarah doesn't really remember anything and ultimately the resolution to her losing her memory is oh well I'll just fall in love with Chuck all over again. While that's preferable to her magically regaining the memory when Chuck says that he loves her or something shit like that it does mean that all that stuff about her growing from an cold super spy to making peace with her dad, losing her distrusting nature and wanting to start a family with Chuck is gone.

A slightly rubbish ending in that they're basically all where they were 5 years ago
I disagree.

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John went to chase after Gertrude. Nothing to do with him being an emotionally detached military man. It shows development if anything.

As for Sarah, it depends on your interpretation. They dropped several hints throughout the episode that her memory was still in there somewhere. Its up to you to believe whether she'll ever get it back or not.


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Old 28th January 2012, 15:43   #293 (permalink)
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There is a five part very long interview with creators at this blog..

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Old 28th January 2012, 22:01   #294 (permalink)
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Just seen the finale. Thought it was weak and thoroughly disappointing. The early episodes of this season were pretty poor and yet the ending was so sudden and rushed that they didn't tie things off properly. Surely they could've written it better from the start and used their time more appropriately?

The other thing that's bothering me about the main plot that they 'tied off' is:

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They tied it up on an ambiguous ending, as most TV shows do. That's fine. The problem is, it was too ambiguous. Chuck's fanbase is so powerful that they've been asking questions and the writers have actually just given it to them -- Chuck and Sarah fall in love all over again, having a great time doing so. It sort of makes everything else invalid because they just tell you what happens. If it had been well-written there'd be no need for it.


In terms of episode I think we've had better season finales which is a shame. The final episodes covered a lot of ground at a really high pace, which made for compelling viewing but I never felt drawn in. It felt like, assuming Chuck is usually made of 10 'scenes' per episode, they covered 40+ 'scenes' over two episodes. There's a line between fast-paced & enthralling and simulating the mind of someone with ADHD.

A great example of this which my friend spotted, so the credit is his:

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When Chuck chooses the Intersect for the people's lives as opposed to Sarah's memory, it happens in about a minute (?) of screen time. In a usual episode that probably would've been dragged out as the main plot of the episode, possibly even a mini-arc over two episodes. At the absolute minimum, it would've been surrounded by an emotional, soppy speech. Instead, it wasn't savoured at all. Like having a beautifully-cooked steak and just picking it up like a McDonald's burger.


I feel let-down about it really. I've thoroughly enjoyed Chuck as some light-hearted viewing and I can't say it felt like that ending fit! The cynic in me, if I'm completely honest, feels like they're looking to end properly with a movie or something. It feels wrong to think that but there are already rumours around and it makes sense. In terms of plot and, cynically I know, finances.

Anyone else feel similarly? Honestly, I think the sentimentality has clouded people's judgement of what they've just seen.
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Old 28th January 2012, 22:13   #295 (permalink)
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I don't agree with that but you are entitled to your opinion. No sentimentality here, I have called Chuck on to be crap when it has been and I have been well aware of its lot of shortcomings since the beginning.

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Only need writers need to explain stuff is because otherwise too many people cry about such endings. It was pretty clear that both of them were going to end up together, only ambiguity was if the Morgan thing worked or it happened slowly. I mean FFS they even left clues in the episode itself that her memory was coming back!

Your second point regarding the intersect thing does not hold at all given the bomb was about to blow. How could they have stretched that over two episodes? It was the home stretch of course they were not going to drag on a few things which otherwise could have had its own plot line.

Only problem with finale IMO was a weak villain.

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That's cool. My opinion is definitely not the most popular but I do know a few others who feel the same. A lot of my friends watched the show so some of us have already exchanged opinions.

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No, I agree. Let me rephrase then. It wasn't the ambiguity as such. It was obvious there was a happy ending. The problem was that there was no glimpse into it. Think of other finales, for example Scrubs and Sherlock. Scrubs had a "future" montage which told everyone what would happen.

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Sherlock had that excellent ending which saw Sherlock alive, to confirm what we all thought.


In this finale we only see them starting that process. We don't know, like you said, if they kiss and her memory returns or if she has to relearn everything or if it comes back to her slowly. Personally, I think making her lose her memory was a poor ending to the show anyway (a bit too tragic/dark for Chuck) but with the added ambiguity you had loads of super-fans asking the same question. The writer's job was to finish it so that there were no questions! Do you get what I mean here?

Hence I said "absolute minimum". Be honest mate, that moment would've received much more fanfare in any other episode and they've been in hairer moments. How many times have they been up against an actual time on something? The writers could've done the cliche'd trick of making up as much time as needed. I'm going to be honest, I don't care for the soppy/emotional side of Chuck anyway but I think my mate's raised a valid point. Rushing moments like that was completely uncharacteristic of an episode of Chuck, in an episode which is supposed to fully embody the show!

Don't get me started on the villain. The actor couldn't even hold down the American accent. Again, are you honestly saying someone who can't be "American" for two hours of TV should be cast as the villain of the finale? Especially when you consider the brilliance of previous villains. Volkoff was miles better.


Can you see what I mean now? It just falls short, in so many disappointing ways.
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Old 29th January 2012, 11:59   #297 (permalink)
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Well I liked it.
Mainly because I didn't realize the show was coming to an end until the last episode, and I was getting a bit fed up with the ridiculous story lines. But I am a sucker for happy emotional TV shows endings. Crazy how much Zach Levi's face has changed over the last 5 years, when you watch the flashbacks.
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Well I liked it.
Mainly because I didn't realize the show was coming to an end until the last episode, and I was getting a bit fed up with the ridiculous story lines. But I am a sucker for happy emotional TV shows endings. Crazy how much Zach Levi's face has changed over the last 5 years, when you watch the flashbacks.
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Old 29th January 2012, 12:16   #299 (permalink)
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My only complaint about the Sherlock ending was that they have showed him alive. that wasnt needed at all.
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Would you cunts stop posting Sherlock spoilers in the Chuck thread?!
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Old 29th January 2012, 12:24   #301 (permalink)
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So glad they didn't gor for giving Sarah her full memory back at the instant, however they left enough clues in the last two episodes to indicate that Sarah will indeed get her memory back.

Very nice ending to Chuck. Also have to say that Zachary Levi and Yvonne Strahovski are both very good actors.
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Would you cunts stop posting Sherlock spoilers in the Chuck thread?!
Sorry for spoiling a 120 years old story.
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Lolno. Levi's constipated face every time he had to cry/tear up was hilarious.
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No. You spoiled the way they went about constructing the ending.
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That's cool. My opinion is definitely not the most popular but I do know a few others who feel the same. A lot of my friends watched the show so some of us have already exchanged opinions.

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No, I agree. Let me rephrase then. It wasn't the ambiguity as such. It was obvious there was a happy ending. The problem was that there was no glimpse into it. Think of other finales, for example Scrubs and Sherlock. Scrubs had a "future" montage which told everyone what would happen.

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Sherlock had that excellent ending which saw Sherlock alive, to confirm what we all thought.


In this finale we only see them starting that process. We don't know, like you said, if they kiss and her memory returns or if she has to relearn everything or if it comes back to her slowly. Personally, I think making her lose her memory was a poor ending to the show anyway (a bit too tragic/dark for Chuck) but with the added ambiguity you had loads of super-fans asking the same question. The writer's job was to finish it so that there were no questions! Do you get what I mean here?

Hence I said "absolute minimum". Be honest mate, that moment would've received much more fanfare in any other episode and they've been in hairer moments. How many times have they been up against an actual time on something? The writers could've done the cliche'd trick of making up as much time as needed. I'm going to be honest, I don't care for the soppy/emotional side of Chuck anyway but I think my mate's raised a valid point. Rushing moments like that was completely uncharacteristic of an episode of Chuck, in an episode which is supposed to fully embody the show!

Don't get me started on the villain. The actor couldn't even hold down the American accent. Again, are you honestly saying someone who can't be "American" for two hours of TV should be cast as the villain of the finale? Especially when you consider the brilliance of previous villains. Volkoff was miles better.


Can you see what I mean now? It just falls short, in so many disappointing ways.
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We already saw all the happy ending stuff- Chuck proposed, they had the wedding, awesomes had a baby, Morgan got his girl etc. What else could they have shown again? They gave closure to just about every single character on the show.

Yank audience are spoiled IMO. So many people having a problem with Sopranos ending said it all IMO.

Plot-lines have never be a strength of Chuck, So I am not sure why you are aggrieved about that in the final episode. They have been all over place when it comes to inconsistencies and plot holes since the pilot.



I do not think it feel short in anyway, I did not feel disappointed one bit. Best episodes for me since some of the Volkoff stuff in last season
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Old 29th January 2012, 12:43   #307 (permalink)
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On Sherlock

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If you are talking about the movie then they pretty much had to show him alive one way or another. I have no idea what that has to do with here though.



On Scrubs

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That montage was not the future at all. It was what JD thought could easily be their future

Chuck did better than that. They actually showed all that stuff you want. What you basically wanted was for them to show Sarah getting her memory back. That is the same as Sopranos fan asking for

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Tony to be shot shown instead of the black screen bit.





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It was about the TV series.
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Watched the finale a few hours ago... I loved it. It's obviously not the best Chuck has ever been, but it was a great way of involving all the characters, wrapping up the story, and plot nicely alowed them to bring some emotion to the, which is what you want for a final show.

Overall, I can safely say I've loved watching Chuck, and it's a show I will have no problem recommending other people to watch... and it's safe to say, my favourite moment from the last 5 seasons, without any doubt, is still...



Cracks me up every time.
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Old 29th January 2012, 18:32   #310 (permalink)
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Cracks me up every time.

I haven't seen anything of this season yet as it hasn't been airing in the United Kingdom as of yet and likely won't.

Season Four improved as it went along but the second season is what made the programme - Casey in particular is what made it.
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Old 29th January 2012, 18:36   #311 (permalink)
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Seriously guys, keep discussions about other tv shows out of this thread.
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So it is final then that there won't be a season 6
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So it is final then that there won't be a season 6
No, this is the end of it.
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It dragged on a little towards the end but really hoped for a season 6
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Ok so I finally got round to watching the last season and the finale.

I really am not sure about the way it ended. It may sound sappy but I'd have loved for Sarah to get her memory back there and then. I know it showed signs of it coming back but we never get to see it. The way it was left kind of made the last 5 years redundant. Wasn't a fan of the memory thing really. I was kind of picturing my ideal ending during it and I'd have had it so they kissed, and Sarah suddenly saying "I remember" and then it fading to black and then back in to them standing in front of their picket fence house with their baby and dog like they pictured.

Cheesy as fuck I know but that's what Chuck was all about a lot of the time.
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