Glastonbury...anyone?

didsbury1982

I'd pretty much agree with all of that. Jay-Z put on a great show, he's a real showman and knows how to entertain a crowd. I saw 50 year old women bouncing it was great! Everyone I spoke to about it afterwards said they really enjoyed it. It was definitely the biggest crowd i've ever seen at the Pyramid stage in the 4 times i've been so far. I'd bet that at least half of the crowd watching didn't own a single Jay-Z record. That's what Glastonbury is all about for me just going there with an open mind and experiencing new things. You'll never get anyone being bottled off there you can be sure of that.

Rooney1987

My opinion is I don’t like Hip hop/rap but I watched the Jay Z set on the TV and your right he did smash it he was great. My cousin went to the gig and he said there not as many people watching the headline act as there usually is. There is allot of report I read in the papers that said similar things.

Bilbo

Absolutely. Whatever peoples opinions on Jay-Z or hip hop in general, experimentation is never a bad thing. Music is music at the end of the day, and hip hop is a massive influence on music in general nowadays.

RedNome

Ah, I see, you are one of these people that only sees merit in music when he has a vocalist, two guitars, bass and drums layed out infront of him in the best formulaic way possible. I won't bother wasting my time arguing with a musical ignoramous like yourself then.

Thanks for saving my time.

Ander8on

gaffs

Yep. Next year, when its the usual 3 indie/rock bands headlining, people will be complaining that they want something different - I dare say even some will want hip hop.

Younited.7

100 years ago there were probably laughing at the idea of playing guitars together and singing, classical music was one of the only forms of music. Poor black men played blues, The Stones and The Beatles came along and changed the world in that respect, Bill Haley deserves an honourable mention - he helped the ball to get rolling.

People with the same limited minds are saying the same thing now, it was the poor black man that began rapping, Eminem took it to the masses. NWA, Beastie Boys, Run DMC and Public Enemy deserve a mention here, but, the explosion of white kids idolising black rappers has come post Eminems mainstream success. White kids pretending to be black is a pretty bad by-product, i suppose the 60s took drugs and made them fashionable like Eminem did hoodies and flat peaks, not always directly, it certainly allowed people to replicate his style though and set precedent for outlandish behaviour.

Now we have the same sort of person harping on about Jay-z, never listening, appreciating or attempting to learn the depth of the music, what he says and who he is. Which is fine, but don't comment if you can't be arsed to give him the time of day. It was a big moment in musical history, i don't think people realise the significance of that, i truly think that Hip-Hop is becoming even more mainstream, accesible and fashionable to some of the older generations. It is very watered down mind you, a remix or a backing song is usually best suited for the task, Dizzee Rascal raps to the tune of a guitar, Wiley to a Hot Chip and Jay-z hit the spot by doing his thing over songs that the Glastonbury crowd were more familiar with - a great success.

KeyserSoze

Theres nothing like a debate associated with rap music to bring out aspiring pseudo-intellectuals is there.

Good post Younited.7.

KeyserSoze

Exactly.

BaldwinLegend

That is like saying "Whatever people's opinion on Dong is, experimentation is never a bad thing. Football is football at the end of the day."


Except that Dong is considerably better at football than Jay Z is at being a musician.

BaldwinLegend

Jesus, are you for real? From my post you seem to have deduced that I like 'formulaic' music. Are you therefore suggesting that Jay Z's music is something other than formulaic?

Jay Z's music is unfortunately the most commercial and formulaic music there is - he harms the industry by producing market driven, mass appeal, bland, anodyne drivel.

Do you not see the irony and contradiction of your enthused posting in Pogue's unsigned band thread whilst at the same time spouting on and on about your support and love for Jay Z?

kishankhagram

but you are a gypo.

RedNome

Actually no I don't, please enlighten me oh wise one.

By the way, I am no fan of Jay Z in the slightest, or Hip Hop in the general sense of the word although I do like some and also it's crossover into other forms of music, but I have to admit that his set at Glasto was excellent and also a milestone too, and made me eat humble pie.

There is room for all types of music and everyone will find what floats their boat no matter what.

You just come across as an arrogant arse tbh and I'm not even sure why I am bothering with you.

Younited.7

Why can't music be music?

Bob Marley was important politically, and stood up for what he believes in. The Clash also profited from taking the righteous approach to their music. Jay-Z has no obligations to meet, though i am sure that living in this country means we don't see his better deeds. If it is a case of money then go and protest outside Richard Bransons house - saviour of all things British.

I suspect that your view is based on not understanding his music, hating affiliated fashions or a complex and inherent racism.

As a performer he is undeniably brilliant, it may not involve what you typically understand as a musical performance but that should not affect your view.

BaldwinLegend

Bollocks - and you're bang out of order accusing me of being racist. Mug.

Ceks

suspect..

Redlambs

Calling someone a racist for not liking Jay-z is a pretty cuntish thing to do.

I don't think he should have headlined the festival also, does that make me racist too?

Ceks

suspect...or...

Redlambs

Why add the 'or' part?

Are you calling me choiceist?

BaldwinLegend

How many times do you need me to explain this?

In the same way that major firms such as Tescos, Sainsburys and McDonalds threaten and engulf smaller companies, artists like Jay Z leave little opportunity for smaller or unrecognised artists to gain recognition or success. Rather than take a risk on signing a less commercial, unkown act, record companies would rather produce yet another album with a Madonna, Jay Z or Robbie Williams. They may have different styles, but they have in common the fact that they represent a sure bet within the industry - they rarely fail to make a huge profit. Hence the irony in you being supposedly interested in unsigned bands.

As I said in the other thread, unfortunately their output represents exactly the same for music as McDonalds does for food - flavourless pap that does no one any good but will sell in shitloads.

What someone wrote earlier in this thread - that it takes each generation a while to come to terms with new fashions, such as the difficulty in accepting the punk era at its outset - is totally untrue in this case.

This era will be looked down on by history books. That is because it is the first era in which music sold-out and became completely commercial. Artists now sing what ever a so called mega producer tells them to sing. Not what they want to sing themselves. The songs they sing are very very rarely their own - they're more often written by someone renowned for creating sure fire hits. Worse than this, artists nowadays can rarely actually even sing. Look on the internet for a rare recording of Britney singing live - it'll be appalling. It amazes me that most musicians in the charts nowadays can make an entire career out of lip-synching - on TV and live. Technology allows them to get away with it by correcting their faults.

As recently as the 60's, the main stars were all writing their own songs and had some message which they wanted to get across. Now songs are created using a kind of music-by-numbers system which guarantees chart success - that is why I argue that artists such as Jay Z aren't worth shit - firstly because I think he's shit anyway, and secondly because he is such a good example of a record company screwing the life out of an artist till they've made every last possible cent they can out of their name.

I've nothing what so ever against rap or hip hop... I just think you have to look so incredibly deep beneath the surface of the industry to find music in any genre nowadays that has any artistic merit. Just yesterday, I heard an awesome band from the States called Youngblood Brass Band, combining hip hop and funk - I think they shit all over Jay Z in every respect. I think they do that due to the fact that they're highly talented musicians who have something to communicate, the means to do it, and do it with an incredible passion for music, rather than an incredible passion for money.

BaldwinLegend

Are you actually capable of making any sense?

Ceks

My opinion is that Glastonbury needed a hip hot artist. After all, it is a music festival of contemporary arts, not a rock festival. Chris Martin said it; he is the best rapper in the world. It turned out to be a major coup, and with hindsight most people now realise that.

I have been getting tired of all these drab indie bands that have flooded the market.

50 cent has been bottled of the stage. That will never happen to Jay-Z because there is a huge gulf in talent.

Your opinons are flawed on so many levels, but I'm not going to waste any more time on you, as I know my efforts will go to waste. It's your choice if you don't want to open your mind, and appreciate a wider range of music genre.

Like a child calling classical music shit.

Rahul

Christ on a bike

Was there this much commotion when Shirley Bassey playin at Glastonbury

wancolos

You do realise that Jay-Z himself signs smaller or unrecognised artists through his record label?...

CantonaVeron

You clearly are a fool and an embarassament to be honest. You keep going on about Jay-Z blocking the path of these so called genius' that have yet to be discovered, you know preventing them from being signed to a major label. Can you answer me one simple question why do they not do what Jay-Z did in 96 and start their own record label? Yes that's right he was rejected from the major labels so he did something about it instead of moaning around he started his own label from scratch. You know this talentless person you keep going on about started his 600 million dollar empire from nothing he made himself and you know why because he is one of the most talented and creative people to every be involved in the music industry. Has someone has already mentioned he has discovered and help develop numerous musical talent that have gone on thereselfs to sell millions of records and push levels of creative in influenceing people.

Now its well known Jay-Z writes his own lyrics and is involved massivley in the creation of the music he put thoses lyrics too, infact he write the lyrics in his head no pen or pad and I would like to post an example of one of his songs and I am going to ask you another simple question that being could a talentless person as you put it come up with this, no pen or pad remember?