Kings of Leon

gambit28 · 18th February 2010, 08:39

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Originally Posted by Wonder Pigeon

Oh...oh, god.

gambit, lets just agree to disagree, before you say anything else, and make my brain explode.

I do not agree to this.

Wonder Pigeon · 18th February 2010, 08:49

Well just be careful, or you'll have my death on your conscience.

gambit28 · 18th February 2010, 12:04

All this Velvet underground are the most influential band shit. They were just making previous blues artists music more generic, boring and white.

I_live_cement · 18th February 2010, 12:09

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Originally Posted by gambit28

Velvet underground and the pixies were shit though.

Oh god...just stop. Now.

gambit28 · 18th February 2010, 12:12

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Originally Posted by I_live_cement

Oh god...just stop. Now.

As far as i'm concerned they are. The Pixies made one good song then just repeated it over and over again. Velvet Underground were about as revolutionary and influential the same way Elvis was. They were standing on the shoulders of true genius's filtering their work to the flavour of the times.

Ivor Ballokov · 18th February 2010, 12:16

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Originally Posted by gambit28

All this Velvet underground are the most influential band shit. They were just making previous blues artists music more generic, boring and white.

Music is fluid and progressive, every artist including blues artists have influences. It doesn't make them shit though.

Although there is no point in arguing as you're clearly a moron or on a wum or more likely both.

gambit28 · 18th February 2010, 12:26

It's true music is fluid and progressive. Velvet Underground were just artsy for the sake of it. Spolied middle class posturing by Warhol.

I_live_cement · 18th February 2010, 12:26

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Originally Posted by gambit28

The Pixies made one good song then just repeated it over and over again.

Which was?

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Originally Posted by gambit28

Velvet Underground were about as revolutionary and influential the same way Elvis was. They were standing on the shoulders of true genius's filtering their work to the flavour of the times.

Little unfair to compare them to Elvis when they composed all of their work themselves amd their sound evovled with the times. Your second point is inconsequential because by that token the Beatles just stood on the shoulders of people like Chuck Berry and Elvis himself. It's what happens, you take someone else's idea and evolve it.

gambit28 · 18th February 2010, 12:39

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Originally Posted by I_live_cement

Which was?

Take your pick, Although i imagine the original one was sung by them when they were teenagers in their parents garage. Theythen decided that they obviouly have learnt everything they need to know and didn't bother to improve to the point that anything they did can classed as talented. You play anyone Gigantic who havemt heard the pixies music and they will say its' shit and sounds like a high school wannabe band.

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Little unfair to compare them to Elvis when they composed all of their work themselves amd their sound evovled with the times. Your second point is inconsequential because by that token the Beatles just stood on the shoulders of people like Chuck Berry and Elvis himself. It's what happens, you take someone else's idea and evolve it.

The Velvets musical experimentation was done earlier by the Who and and better by Hendrix. The only thing you can say is they were unique.

Ivor Ballokov · 18th February 2010, 12:51

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Originally Posted by gambit28

It's true music is fluid and progressive. Velvet Underground were just artsy for the sake of it. Spolied middle class posturing by Warhol.

And kings of Leon who you're championing are making banal music that has been done before.

I_live_cement · 18th February 2010, 12:54

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Originally Posted by gambit28

Take your pick, Although i imagine the original one was sung by them when they were teenagers in their parents garage. Theythen decided that they obviouly have learnt everything they need to know and didn't bother to improve to the point that anything they did can classed as talented. You play anyone Gigantic who havemt heard the pixies music and they will say its' shit and sounds like a high school wannabe band.

Well I never cared for Gigantic, the bassline is alright but the song's a bit lightweight. Wasn't writen by Frank either so it's a bit like saying "the beatles were shit because Octopus's Garden is rubbish". But anyway, listen to Bone Machine and then Ana or Havalina and then tell me that they are the same song.

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Originally Posted by gambit28

The Velvets musical experimentation was done earlier by the Who and and better by Hendrix. The only thing you can say is they were unique.

That has just contradicted your earlier point. Surely being unique implies that their sound had not been heard before?

Wonder Pigeon · 18th February 2010, 13:59

Heh, nice deletion gambit.

gambit28 · 18th February 2010, 14:12

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Originally Posted by Ivor Ballokov

And kings of Leon who you're championing are making banal music that has been done before.

I'm not championing the KIngs of Leon I just reckon their current Album of Banal shit was better than their previous ones.

gambit28 · 18th February 2010, 14:22

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Originally Posted by I_live_cement

Well I never cared for Gigantic, the bassline is alright but the song's a bit lightweight. Wasn't writen by Frank either so it's a bit like saying "the beatles were shit because Octopus's Garden is rubbish". But anyway, listen to Bone Machine and then Ana or Havalina and then tell me that they are the same song.

That has just contradicted your earlier point. Surely being unique implies that their sound had not been heard before?

No, i didn't contradict myself a toyota prius is a unique car, it's still a shit car though. Octopus's Garden shits all over everything the Pixies ever did, thats how bad they are. Overated Wank. Ana and Halvina are different songs. Ana is just a slower version, same progressve strumming.

Myxomatosis · 18th February 2010, 14:29

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Originally Posted by gambit28

I'm not championing the KIngs of Leon I just reckon their current Album of Banal shit was better than their previous ones.

Agree.

Nearco · 18th February 2010, 21:10

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Originally Posted by gambit28

. The pixies made one good song then repeated it ad ifinitum.

You've never actually sat down and compared and contrasted Doolittle and Surfer Rosa have you? Both albums are masterpieces, both albums are very different.

gambit28 · 18th February 2010, 21:11

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You've never actually sat down and compared and contrasted Doolittle and Surfer Rosa have you? Both albums are masterpieces, both albums are very different.

Nearco · 18th February 2010, 21:19

Come on then clever clogs, pony up and name your favourite artists.

Woodzy · 18th February 2010, 21:31

Rolf Harris

gambit28 · 18th February 2010, 21:33

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Come on then clever clogs, pony up and name your favourite artists.

Fuck me the list is to long, I don't actually really have any favourites, i just like music i enjoy. Go from billy halliday, robert johnson, Nina Simone to Beatles, Kinks, Led zep to Iron Maiden, NWA, Faithless, Daftpunk muse so on and so forth. Its endless. I've never understood what all the fuss over the pixies was about.

gambit28 · 18th February 2010, 21:35

Two little boys had two little toys
Each had a wooden horse.

He nailed that at glastonbury 2002.

Ivor Ballokov · 19th February 2010, 02:14

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Originally Posted by gambit28

Fuck me the list is to long, I don't actually really have any favourites, i just like music i enjoy. Go from billy halliday, robert johnson, Nina Simone to Beatles, Kinks, Led zep to Iron Maiden, NWA, Faithless, Daftpunk muse so on and so forth. Its endless. I've never understood what all the fuss over the pixies was about.

Your position in this thread is a little ambiguous to me, is your point just that music is subjective?

Nice to see a Robert Johnson fan though, not many of us about I fear.

gambit28 · 19th February 2010, 06:46

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Originally Posted by Ivor Ballokov

Your position in this thread is a little ambiguous to me, is your point just that music is subjective?

Nice to see a Robert Johnson fan though, not many of us about I fear.

Music is totally subjective. Posters have been making definite statements all through out this thread. Apparently Kings of leon previous albums are better because they have less of a refined sound. For me the last album was their best one. Just because a band gets a good production on their music and goes more mainstream on one album doesn't make it a bad thing. Mettalica's Black Album being a prime example. For having a differing view I've been called an idiot and a moron on this thread. Basically people should get off their high horses when it comes to music. That way they'll find a whole world of different possibilities than the ones they've restricted themselves to in their minds. It can be a simple thing like thats a catchy tune, rather than the bass line is great or other technical merits. Their arguments about what it is that makes the music they champion great can be disproved easily by finding other artists that are equally as good in ther own field, or discovering where their influences came from.

Mainstreaming does 2 things, it brings success to the group and more importantly it introduces more people to their work who will go and find their back catologue and decide for themselves wether they like it or not. Pop has had some great moments in it's history and should be appreciated for what it is. People wear the I was into them before it was cool to be into them badge, like it makes them some sort of expert on the matter. I enjoyed the Kings of Leon's last album, more so than their previous efforts. This doesn't make me an idiot nor does it make my opinion less valid, nor does it mean people should scoff at me as some musical dullard.

The Pixies are shit though.

noodlehair · 25th June 2010, 12:25

I'm being dragged along to see them again next Wednesday.

Hopefully it'll be more like the first time than the second, in which case it might be good.

I'm rubbish at not getting blackmailed into things

FranklyVulgar · 25th June 2010, 14:12

They utterly sold out. Fair enough but they went from being a fairly interesting band to being just too much.

SharkyMcShark · 25th June 2010, 16:01

I quite like the Only By the Night album.

decorativeed · 25th June 2010, 17:17

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Originally Posted by FranklyVulgar

They utterly sold out. Fair enough but they went from being a fairly interesting band to being just too much.

I don't get this "selling out" thing. They made boring, unoriginal and fairly commercial music from day one in my opinion. The first album they were marketed as "a bit like The Strokes", the second and third, "more of the same". Then they made a third album that was a bit more polished, had a couple of hit singles on it and sold a lot more albums as a result. It's not like they were ever savagely independent or anything.

Dresilved · 25th June 2010, 17:19

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Originally Posted by gambit28

Velvet underground and the pixies were shit though

You may not appreciate Velvet Underground yourself which is fine but to say they were shit is just silly, this comment is on the same scale as the person who said about 3 years ago "The Beatles were nothing more than the original boy band", or something like that

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gambit28 Desperately wants to be a Muppet Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Asagan and SagatX destroyed, now worship COX! Posts: 24,711	All this Velvet underground are the most influential band shit. They were just making previous blues artists music more generic, boring and white.

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gambit28 Desperately wants to be a Muppet Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Asagan and SagatX destroyed, now worship COX! Posts: 24,711	It's true music is fluid and progressive. Velvet Underground were just artsy for the sake of it. Spolied middle class posturing by Warhol.

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