Lost Series 4 BE AWARE THIS THREAD MIGHT INCLUDE SPOILERS

101 · 14th March 2008, 18:04

I'm slightly confused. Was that a Jin flashback and a Sun flashforward then? Or was it a flashforward of both, and Jin isn't dead, but has left Sun. Confuzzled

VidaRed · 14th March 2008, 18:19

taken from lost forum

Some of the theories regarding Ji Yeon and Jin's death?
Theory 1:
Jin's segment in the show was in fact a flashback. This suggests that Jin does die and it also explains him saying that he had only been married for 2 months.
This idea can also be backed up by Jin's tombstone which says DOD was the day flight 815 crashed suggesting he never made it off the island, however, the writers said we would know all of the oceanic six by now. Perhaps, it is a red herring and the introduction of Michael is exactly that. Is he the sixth member? The most likely contender is Aaron.
Probability: 90%
Theory 2:
Jin stages his own death and starts a new life. A suggested reason is tha we eventually find out the baby is in fact not Jin's. This is unlikely because of the DOD but this could have been manipulated very easily.
Probability: 20-30%
Theory 3:
Jin has 'side effects' when he leaves the island. This sends him into a parallel universe or back in time. The side effects also cause loss of memory. He forgets flight 815 but continues his life in the alternate timeline/ or in the past.
Probability 13%
Theory 4:
Mr Paik (Sun's father) wants Jin to have nothing to do with his daughter. He arranges for Jin's death but Jin agrees to fake his death. He find's a new love, keeps his job with Mr Paik but to the rest of Paik's family Jin is a dead man.
Probability: 16%
Theory 5:
Both Sun and Jin's segments were flashforwards. However, Jin's flashforward was set before Sun's. Jin does get off the island but is killed sometime off the island in the future before the Oceanic Six are revealed to the world. This is because it is easier to cover up his death by saying he died on the plane hence the DOD on Jin's gravestone. Also this theory means Jin is not a member of the Oceanic Six.
Probability: 23%
Theory 6:
The final theory has Jin doing Ben's bidding. In order to make Jin hard to trace, Ben 'arranges' for Jin's fake death. Jin is caught out by one of the people on the list and is killed. Ben has previously made sure no-one knew he made it off the island so he could easily cover-up his death. After Jin's death, Ben blackmails Sayid to take over. Jin acts almost as a 'mole' for Ben in the future.
Probability: 2%

101 · 14th March 2008, 18:27

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Originally Posted by VidaRed

taken from lost forum

Some of the theories regarding Ji Yeon and Jin's death?
Theory 1:
Jin's segment in the show was in fact a flashback. This suggests that Jin does die and it also explains him saying that he had only been married for 2 months.
This idea can also be backed up by Jin's tombstone which says DOD was the day flight 815 crashed suggesting he never made it off the island, however, the writers said we would know all of the oceanic six by now. Perhaps, it is a red herring and the introduction of Michael is exactly that. Is he the sixth member? The most likely contender is Aaron.
Probability: 90%

It better be that.

20le_Solskjaer · 14th March 2008, 21:37

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Originally Posted by 20le_Solskjaer

I've got a feeling that Ben's man on the freighter is Michael!

I knew it!

rufus diabolus · 14th March 2008, 22:18

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Originally Posted by VidaRed

Jin's segment in the show was in fact a flashback. This suggests that Jin does die and it also explains him saying that he had only been married for 2 months.
This idea can also be backed up by Jin's tombstone which says DOD was the day flight 815 crashed suggesting he never made it off the island, however, the writers said we would know all of the oceanic six by now. Perhaps, it is a red herring and the introduction of Michael is exactly that. Is he the sixth member? The most likely contender is Aaron.
Probability: 90%

Agreed with this one, although just because he never made it off the island doesn't mean he's necessarily dead. I suppose Aaron is technically a survivor of the crash.

rufus diabolus · 14th March 2008, 22:18

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Originally Posted by 20le_Solskjaer

I knew it!

Well done

101 · 15th March 2008, 10:24

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Originally Posted by rufus diabolus

Agreed with this one, although just because he never made it off the island doesn't mean he's necessarily dead. I suppose Aaron is technically a survivor of the crash.

But, he wasn't on the manifest as Claire was pregnant at the time of the crash. I don't think he is one of the Oceanic 6

rufus diabolus · 15th March 2008, 11:23

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Originally Posted by 101

But, he wasn't on the manifest as Claire was pregnant at the time of the crash. I don't think he is one of the Oceanic 6

Is it possible that Ben assumed someone else's identity? Or that the sixth survivor hasn't been revealed yet?

Veron · 15th March 2008, 11:25

Poor episode... just hit me that lost has stopped beign about jack being the hero... can't they just focus more on desmond,sayid,locke,jack and sawyer,the rest are way too borinng.

I was hoping ben's spy on the boat would've been sayid himself from the future or something.The Micheal thing was soo expected.

cina · 15th March 2008, 11:36

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Originally Posted by 20le_Solskjaer

I knew it!

Not that is was obvious or anything

101 · 15th March 2008, 11:38

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Originally Posted by rufus diabolus

Is it possible that Ben assumed someone else's identity? Or that the sixth survivor hasn't been revealed yet?

I don't believe that the 6th survivor has been revealed yet, but perhaps I'm taking the 'Oceanic 6' thing far too literally. It is possible that Ben could have assumed the identity of someone else, but I don't think this is possible because in this episode gone by, they said something about agrieved families and whatnot. So if Ben assumed the identity of someone else, I'm pretty sure their family would be pissed off and it would have been over the news. The 'Oceanic 6' did leak over the net, but I think Jin isn't one of them because in this episode that was his flashback, and Sun's flashforward. We can also rule out Desmond because he came to the island by boat, but there's no saying whether he got off or not. There's also Juliet. I think the 6th member is yet to be revealed, and it will be someone completely unexpected.

rufus diabolus · 15th March 2008, 11:47

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Originally Posted by 101

I don't believe that the 6th survivor has been revealed yet, but perhaps I'm taking the 'Oceanic 6' thing far too literally. It is possible that Ben could have assumed the identity of someone else, but I don't think this is possible because in this episode gone by, they said something about agrieved families and whatnot. So if Ben assumed the identity of someone else, I'm pretty sure their family would be pissed off and it would have been over the news. The 'Oceanic 6' did leak over the net, but I think Jin isn't one of them because in this episode that was his flashback, and Sun's flashforward. We can also rule out Desmond because he came to the island by boat, but there's no saying whether he got off or not. There's also Juliet. I think the 6th member is yet to be revealed, and it will be someone completely unexpected.

He could have taken someone's identity who didn't really have anyone back in the 'real world' maybe sawyer?

But I hope your right about it not being revealed yet, as non of the other options really fit in with the 'oceanic 6' tag yet. As Jin's gravestone was dated from the time of the crash, I suppose we can assume he didn't get off the island whether he's still alive or not.

Pimpy the Magic Elf · 15th March 2008, 12:17

The island is the holy grail. The whole story is basically about powerful secret companies trying to get the secret of eternal life.

That's it. Mystery solved.

PTME

Solius · 15th March 2008, 12:18

6th member could be Michael

VidaRed · 15th March 2008, 12:21

the writers said we'll get to know the oceanic 6 after yesterday's episode and im still confused about the 6th

Veron · 15th March 2008, 12:27

So its

Jack
Kate
Hugo
Sayeed
Aaron
Jin's wife

and unoffically
Ben
???

VidaRed · 15th March 2008, 12:29

aaron is not the 6th, the directors have also confirmed this

plus he wasn't on the plane

101 · 15th March 2008, 12:33

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Originally Posted by Solius

6th member could be Michael

I don't see this happening because he wouldn't go anywhere without Walt. I bet Walt's hiding somewhere on the boat and has mastered some sort of psychic telekenetic powers. Perhaps his mental abilities have grown proportionally with his physical body

Tibs · 15th March 2008, 14:48

Is Jin actually dead?

rufus diabolus · 15th March 2008, 17:13

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Originally Posted by Tibs

Is Jin actually dead?

It's not really clear yet, as the date of his death was when the plane crashed I assume he's still on the island.

Sun would have still been upset about him not being there for the birth and the fact that he's stuck on the island.

Iron Stove · 16th March 2008, 13:11

What if their child is born on the island and leaves together with Sun (but not Jin). Couldn't she be the sixth?

lorcanjc · 16th March 2008, 13:26

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Originally Posted by Iron Stove

What if their child is born on the island and leaves together with Sun (but not Jin). Couldn't she be the sixth?

Didn't we see the child being born in the hospital??

crappycraperson · 16th March 2008, 13:37

I think he is dead. Don't see sun leaving the island without him in any scenario.

VidaRed · 16th March 2008, 13:39

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Originally Posted by Iron Stove

What if their child is born on the island and leaves together with Sun (but not Jin). Couldn't she be the sixth?

didnt you see her being born in the hospital in sun's flashforward

golden_blunder · 16th March 2008, 14:18

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Originally Posted by crappycraperson

I think he is dead. Don't see sun leaving the island without him in any scenario.

yep, and he did say that he would do anything to protect her and the baby. I suspect he dies doing just that

Iron Stove · 16th March 2008, 16:22

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Originally Posted by VidaRed

didnt you see her being born in the hospital in sun's flashforward

To be honest I watched the last episode in the middle of the night and was dead tired so I might have missed something but I thought that part was a bit strange. Did you get to see the kid after the birth? Because I didn't catch that. When I saw it I wondered if it was a flashback and not a 'flashforward' and that Sun might have had a miscarriage or something, meaning that it wasn't the same pregnancy. Then there was that ambassador who had a gran daughter, what was that bit all about?

Ronaldo07 · 16th March 2008, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Iron Stove

To be honest I watched the last episode in the middle of the night and was dead tired so I might have missed something but I thought that part was a bit strange. Did you get to see the kid after the birth? Because I didn't catch that. When I saw it I wondered if it was a flashback and not a 'flashforward' and that Sun might have had a miscarriage or something, meaning that it wasn't the same pregnancy. Then there was that ambassador who had a gran daughter, what was that bit all about?

She had the baby in a flash forward calling for Jin even though he's dead (she visits his grave with Hurley and the baby at the end of the episode) and Jin's part was a flash back to his old life where he was buying a panda to take to an ambassador's daughter who was having a baby in order to gain his support for something.

Rahul · 16th March 2008, 16:42

03/01 - You heard about "the death" that's coming up, right? Well, fear not, 'cause from what I understand, this death does not mean it's the last we'll see of this person on the show-not by a long shot.

From 1st March. I reckon theres a twist with Jin's upcoming "death".

crappycraperson · 16th March 2008, 16:44

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Originally Posted by Rahul

03/01 - You heard about "the death" that's coming up, right? Well, fear not, 'cause from what I understand, this death does not mean it's the last we'll see of this person on the show-not by a long shot.

From 1st March. I reckon theres a twist with Jin's upcoming "death".

That simply means he will still play a role in the show despite dying in the future. Which he will till he dies....and may also come back for more flashbacks.

I also think they will kill Sawyer off...

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101 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place. Posts: 2,406	I'm slightly confused. Was that a Jin flashback and a Sun flashforward then? Or was it a flashforward of both, and Jin isn't dead, but has left Sun. Confuzzled

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VidaRed First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,537	taken from lost forum Some of the theories regarding Ji Yeon and Jin's death? Theory 1: Jin's segment in the show was in fact a flashback. This suggests that Jin does die and it also explains him saying that he had only been married for 2 months. This idea can also be backed up by Jin's tombstone which says DOD was the day flight 815 crashed suggesting he never made it off the island, however, the writers said we would know all of the oceanic six by now. Perhaps, it is a red herring and the introduction of Michael is exactly that. Is he the sixth member? The most likely contender is Aaron. Probability: 90% Theory 2: Jin stages his own death and starts a new life. A suggested reason is tha we eventually find out the baby is in fact not Jin's. This is unlikely because of the DOD but this could have been manipulated very easily. Probability: 20-30% Theory 3: Jin has 'side effects' when he leaves the island. This sends him into a parallel universe or back in time. The side effects also cause loss of memory. He forgets flight 815 but continues his life in the alternate timeline/ or in the past. Probability 13% Theory 4: Mr Paik (Sun's father) wants Jin to have nothing to do with his daughter. He arranges for Jin's death but Jin agrees to fake his death. He find's a new love, keeps his job with Mr Paik but to the rest of Paik's family Jin is a dead man. Probability: 16% Theory 5: Both Sun and Jin's segments were flashforwards. However, Jin's flashforward was set before Sun's. Jin does get off the island but is killed sometime off the island in the future before the Oceanic Six are revealed to the world. This is because it is easier to cover up his death by saying he died on the plane hence the DOD on Jin's gravestone. Also this theory means Jin is not a member of the Oceanic Six. Probability: 23% Theory 6: The final theory has Jin doing Ben's bidding. In order to make Jin hard to trace, Ben 'arranges' for Jin's fake death. Jin is caught out by one of the people on the list and is killed. Ben has previously made sure no-one knew he made it off the island so he could easily cover-up his death. After Jin's death, Ben blackmails Sayid to take over. Jin acts almost as a 'mole' for Ben in the future. Probability: 2%

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Veron Varun Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,931	Poor episode... just hit me that lost has stopped beign about jack being the hero... can't they just focus more on desmond,sayid,locke,jack and sawyer,the rest are way too borinng. I was hoping ben's spy on the boat would've been sayid himself from the future or something.The Micheal thing was soo expected.

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Pimpy the Magic Elf Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,746	The island is the holy grail. The whole story is basically about powerful secret companies trying to get the secret of eternal life. That's it. Mystery solved. PTME

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Solius Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Playing Connect 4 with Tevez and Anderson. Posts: 4,912	6th member could be Michael

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VidaRed First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,537	the writers said we'll get to know the oceanic 6 after yesterday's episode and im still confused about the 6th

15th March 2008, 12:27	#496 (permalink)
Veron Varun Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,931	So its Jack Kate Hugo Sayeed Aaron Jin's wife and unoffically Ben ???

15th March 2008, 12:29	#497 (permalink)
VidaRed First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,537	aaron is not the 6th, the directors have also confirmed this plus he wasn't on the plane

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Tibs Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,786	Is Jin actually dead?

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Iron Stove Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,273	What if their child is born on the island and leaves together with Sun (but not Jin). Couldn't she be the sixth?

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crappycraperson First Team Regular Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: <Insert something funny here> Posts: 10,537	I think he is dead. Don't see sun leaving the island without him in any scenario.

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Rahul Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hunting The Hunter ! Posts: 4,733	03/01 - You heard about "the death" that's coming up, right? Well, fear not, 'cause from what I understand, this death does not mean it's the last we'll see of this person on the show-not by a long shot. From 1st March. I reckon theres a twist with Jin's upcoming "death".

Lost Series 4 *BE AWARE THIS THREAD MIGHT INCLUDE SPOILERS*

Lost Series 4 BE AWARE THIS THREAD MIGHT INCLUDE SPOILERS