FC new home shirt here

TheGreyParrot · 15th June 2007, 19:49

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Originally Posted by fredthered

The majority bought the shirts simply to put money into the club.

Personally I wear mine to try and raise awareness. You'd be amazed at the number of people who ask whos football kit it is, and that gives me the chance to explain what FCUM is about.

Twas actually a little tongue in cheek, as I've said before whilst I am not a part of fc, many friends are, and they wouldn't be seen dead wearing a United shirt a few years ago yet all of a sudden shirts are de rigeur for many (well some) nowadays.

I'm not sure what that says about fc, well I guess I do.
Not wearing shirts at United had partly to do with distancing yourself from the many penus'es who did wear them and yet were an embarassment to our support. By and large, that stigma doesn't exist at fc.
Of course there were many other reasons to not wear a shirt to the match but I think that is one subtle difference between the two so far.
See, I can make the odd point here and there.

TheGreyParrot · 15th June 2007, 20:06

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Originally Posted by fredthered

No mate, its you that needs to wake up..

FC is the future of football, as are all the other clubs with supporter ownership.

You're the one living in the past trying to cling on to rich owners taking clubs because they want to make money out of them, and as history has shown, theres few people who ever make a success of it in the long run.

You can scream hell and blue dick, quote whatever books you might read, but the plain truth is FC United is working and its working well. Its succesful and far from faltering under the weight of what it stemmed from, its actually gaining support and credence.

You dont like the idea of FC, fine, thats your choice, but theres thousands of reds who love it, it gives them a sense of purpose, and it certainly ( contrary to what you think, even though your experience of such matters as this are zero ) isnt the anarchy you think it will be.

And you know whats absolutely wonderful. Its the fact that people like you are making such efforts to try and discredit it, because with each of your posts theres someone prepared to stand up and tell you you're talking utter bollocks.

You arent quite the supporter you think you are.. You're someone who can read a book, and that doesnt make you a supporter...

( oh and whilst we're on the subject, if your going to use MUFCs old title then please do us the courtesy of actually getting it right, because you're sitting there telling us about all our wondrous history ( like we dont already know it) and you cant even be arsed to get the fucking name right ).

He is an attention seeker, pure and simple.
He wants to be the red cafe don.
He doesn't have any credibility whatsoever so he tries to act important and more importantly SOUND knowledgeable.

I find him quite a sad and pathetic individual to be honest.
Saying that, this is the only interaction he has, or has ever had with genuine United fans. I mean he grew up in Merseyside for fucks sake, how must that affect him?
Is it possible he's an undercover mickey? His behaviour is not that of a bonafide red so what other conclusion is there? Divide and conquer and all that.

NewtonHeathFC · 15th June 2007, 20:10

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Originally Posted by fredthered

No mate, its you that needs to wake up..

FC is the future of football, as are all the other clubs with supporter ownership.

You're the one living in the past trying to cling on to rich owners taking clubs because they want to make money out of them, and as history has shown, theres few people who ever make a success of it in the long run.

You can scream hell and blue dick, quote whatever books you might read, but the plain truth is FC United is working and its working well. Its succesful and far from faltering under the weight of what it stemmed from, its actually gaining support and credence.

You dont like the idea of FC, fine, thats your choice, but theres thousands of reds who love it, it gives them a sense of purpose, and it certainly ( contrary to what you think, even though your experience of such matters as this are zero ) isnt the anarchy you think it will be.

And you know whats absolutely wonderful. Its the fact that people like you are making such efforts to try and discredit it, because with each of your posts theres someone prepared to stand up and tell you you're talking utter bollocks.

You arent quite the supporter you think you are.. You're someone who can read a book, and that doesnt make you a supporter...

-pats fred on the back-

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Originally Posted by fredthered

( oh and whilst we're on the subject, if your going to use MUFCs old title then please do us the courtesy of actually getting it right, because you're sitting there telling us about all our wondrous history ( like we dont already know it) and you cant even be arsed to get the fucking name right ).

#1 - my s/n is a word game. F and C are the initials of my Middle and Last names. while the first initial is replaced with NH as i see it a big part of "me". it's quite original, dont you think ?

#2 - you see there you go again. there are plenty of supporters who dont know the history of the club in detail. but you cant see that since you are narrow minded and delusional.
my intention is to arse them to take a deep look much like iv'e just arsed you to do. you haven't changed your mind but at least you learned something.

NewtonHeathFC · 15th June 2007, 20:16

just so you know Fred the more you will say

"theres thousands of reds who love it, it gives them a sense of purpose"

the more i will agree with you. its a great effort , and a rewarding one.

it does fuck all FOR United and not much against Glazer.

but on its own its a great idea. i applaud anyone who is involved in something like that, it certainly adds another dimension to football.

TheGreyParrot · 15th June 2007, 20:30

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Originally Posted by NewtonHeathFC

-pats fred on the back-

#1 - my s/n is a word game. F and C are the initials of my Middle and Last names. while the first initial is replaced with NH. i think it's quite original.

#2 - you see there you go again. there are plenty of supporters who dont know the history of the club in detail. but you cant see that since you are narrow minded and delusional.
my intention is to arse them to take a deep look much like iv'e just arsed you to do. you haven't changed your mind but at least you learned something.

Your lying you complete bellend.
You've been sussed for the no nothing cunt you are yet again, and instead of admitting your absolute cluelessness your fabricating lies. Typical scouse behaviour.

Why continue?

You seriously believe your educating people? Is there no limit to your buffoonery? You really can't be so unaware of yourself or your surroundings.
How can you educate anyone you tool when you know fuckall yourself? You have absolutely no charisma you utter boring fucktard, but your funny in a "David Brent" kind of way.

You are an embarassment to the great family of Manchester United supporters the world over. This isn't about how much you know, or how often you go, it's about being true to yourself and you are the most false person I've ever had the misfortune to internet'ly know, now please fuck off you lying scouse imbecile and stop your crusade. You have failed the exam miserably and are seriously lacking the qualifications.

On reflection, you can stay, just drop the name Newton Heath, you are so unworthy of it. Just try JCL instead , that cap fits you far better my son.

Paraffin Pete, United legend.

redfan · 16th June 2007, 01:02

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Originally Posted by NewtonHeathFC

fred you have exploited all means of trying to make sense of your delusional theory but you left out one - cutting the crap and being coherent.
honestly by now you look like a moaning bitch who hates the way the world turns and now demands it to revolve around her logic (or lack there of).

you are a boy who got himself a small toy and now you want a big sophisticated toy.

but please keep up your witty comments, maybe FC will buy you a jesters hat (after a vote of course)

and alos - get over yourself , wake up and smell the coffee (or tea) there's a world around you and it's going forward no matter how hard you are trying to back up.

So says a dick, when you've been there and done it, then you can shout , if not just shut up.

fredthered · 16th June 2007, 01:48

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Originally Posted by NewtonHeathFC

just so you know Fred the more you will say

"theres thousands of reds who love it, it gives them a sense of purpose"

the more i will agree with you. its a great effort , and a rewarding one.

it does fuck all FOR United and not much against Glazer.

but on its own its a great idea. i applaud anyone who is involved in something like that, it certainly adds another dimension to football.

If it does fuck all for United, then how come theres hundreds of young kids who will never get the chance to go to OT because of being priced out, who are now going to FC and singing Man United chants and learning about United from older reds who've been there, done it and bought the T shirt...

I dont disagree that on face value theres no damage being done to hurt Glazer, but in years to come theres going to be thousands of people who would otherwise be at OT, stood inside Gigg Lane watching FC, and why, because Glazer has fucked them off, and the larger the crowd at FC the more people will see how many fans Glazer has fucked off, and THAT is what matters.

FC isnt there to harm Glazer, far from it. Its there for those that wont play his game. For those that maybe cant afford to go to Glazers United. People who perhaps have had enough of the corporate shite.

FC was never ever set up to remove Glazer from MUFC. It was set up for MUFC fans who for one reason or another had had enough.

You really do need to get to Gigg Lane and talk to the fans who go there. Its not a fight to remove Glazer, its a protest, a statement. For you to say its there to hurt Glazer is laughable. Hes doing enough damage to his credibiltiy without us all jumping on his case too.

Any FC fan who says FC is there to remove Glazer has got it completely wrong. Its not, and never was set up for that. Its there to accomodate reds who for a million reasons have decided they cant or wont pay into Glazers business. I am one of them...

NewtonHeathFC · 16th June 2007, 04:05

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Originally Posted by fredthered

If it does fuck all for United, then how come theres hundreds of young kids who will never get the chance to go to OT because of being priced out, who are now going to FC and singing Man United chants and learning about United from older reds who've been there, done it and bought the T shirt...

I dont disagree that on face value theres no damage being done to hurt Glazer, but in years to come theres going to be thousands of people who would otherwise be at OT, stood inside Gigg Lane watching FC, and why, because Glazer has fucked them off, and the larger the crowd at FC the more people will see how many fans Glazer has fucked off, and THAT is what matters.

FC isnt there to harm Glazer, far from it. Its there for those that wont play his game. For those that maybe cant afford to go to Glazers United. People who perhaps have had enough of the corporate shite.

FC was never ever set up to remove Glazer from MUFC. It was set up for MUFC fans who for one reason or another had had enough.

You really do need to get to Gigg Lane and talk to the fans who go there. Its not a fight to remove Glazer, its a protest, a statement. For you to say its there to hurt Glazer is laughable. Hes doing enough damage to his credibiltiy without us all jumping on his case too.

Any FC fan who says FC is there to remove Glazer has got it completely wrong. Its not, and never was set up for that. Its there to accomodate reds who for a million reasons have decided they cant or wont pay into Glazers business. I am one of them...

this comment shows what dialogue is all about.
i would rather happily visit Gigg Lane unless of course it means having my arse kicked for having my own opinion.

it wasn't my intention to insinuate FC was set up to destroy United...i picked this up in one of your comments where you suggested you want United either re-floated or pull a "leeds" (i've addressed this in the follow up to you contribution in the "history" thread), now i see it was a mistake to tie those two idea together.

you seem to think im lying when i repeatedly say that i have nothing but admiration to the FC you just described.

however i can never become not-a-pence because to me the logic is clear - on one hand i am putting money into the pockets of the rich and greedy in every aspect of modern life while i couldn't give a fuck about their organizations (the likes of sky and Murdoch) and on the other hand i have another rich cunt who owns something i love.
hurting the club i love just to hurt him and/or make myself feel more moral seems not only a bit hypocritical but most importantly as a self inflicted punishment more than anything else. an undeserved punishment that would be far too great for me to bare.

i wasn't brought up near OT and so i can understand your lack of respect. simply because i know how i feel about Mancunians, Slafordians, other brits (in the worst case) in contrast to foreigners.
i understand that because i want Martin over Nani, Bardsley over whoever, Foster over whoever, Hargreaves over Fernandes, Carrick over Essein. (its more complicated with evans as my gut feeling tells me Vida might be a bit more loyal than Rio

)

i know how you feel therefore i dont expect respect from you but it was refreshing to read such a fair comment.

fredthered · 16th June 2007, 10:04

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Originally Posted by NewtonHeathFC

i would rather happily visit Gigg Lane unless of course it means having my arse kicked for having my own opinion.

But mate, THAT is the whole point of FC. Its that you are entitled to not only have an opinion, but you can also act upon that opinion.

Theres certain things that happen within FC that I am not 100% comfortable with, but I wont bore you with the ins and outs of that. I am entitled to go to meetings and express that opinion. I may get shouted down, I may find everyone agrees with me. But the point is I get to have my say and people do listen because they understand that to be given the power to run your own club means that you have to listen to everyone because somewhere, maybe just maybe someone has the idea that could be the perfect solution.

At MUFC you have no say. You cant go up to David Gill and say "hey cunto, you are wrong to do that". You just get told to shut the fuck up, sit down, behave and be the type of supporter that they want you to be.

At FC they actively encourage the fans to speak up. They want your opinions because its those opinions that forge the way the club is run today, and in the future.

To quote Abraham Lincoln, " you can please some of the people all of the time, and you can please some of the people all of the time, but you'll never please all the people all of the time"

If you can accept that theory then FC works because people understand that they may not get what they want all of the time, but should there be something they do disagree with they have the right to be heard and to express their concerns.

FC isnt Utopia, it never can be, but what it is, is a means whereby fans feel they are involved, they feel part of it, and they can help forge the direction the club takes. OK we dont get asked to vote on every decision ever made, but thats why we all vote for the board. They are trusted to run the club in the way we want, if they fuck it up we get them out and vote someone else in who will do it our way. Andy Walsh has 100% support from all the fans, I know that for certain, but should he ever decide to go on an ego trip and do something that jeapordises our vision for FC then believe me he will be out on his ear..

Whats beautiful about FC is the fact that opinions matter. They form the very basis of the club, and whilst I may not agree with everyone I am happy to hear what they have to say.

As they say "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death to uphold your right to express it"

And when you can understand that principle then you see what FC is really about.

Life Of Smiley · 16th June 2007, 18:48

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Originally Posted by mickthered

Yes 28 quid for the shirt is high

Do we know which clubs (at any level) sell replica adult shirts for less than that then?

TheGreyParrot · 16th June 2007, 20:09

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Originally Posted by Life Of Smiley

Do we know which clubs (at any level) sell replica adult shirts for less than that then?

Mr J? Little surprised to see you here.

Some of the absolute cluelessness and knobheadery in this thread and you only pick that comment to question?

Your'e getting soft.

mickthered · 16th June 2007, 20:38

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Originally Posted by Life Of Smiley

Do we know which clubs (at any level) sell replica adult shirts for less than that then?

Wouldnt have thought there would be many and if any very few

May I suggest you read the rest of the post though

Life Of Smiley · 17th June 2007, 13:43

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Originally Posted by TheGreyParrot

Mr J? Little surprised to see you here.

Some of the absolute cluelessness and knobheadery in this thread and you only pick that comment to question?

Your'e getting soft.

Soft?

Mmm, war weary maybe. I can't be arsed debating any of this palarva anymore. Two year's on, and still the same old tedious nonsense.

However, I do know the shirt is not 'dear', which was alluded to earlier, so I just thought I'd highlight that little fact.

As you were

Brad · 17th June 2007, 16:37

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Originally Posted by Life Of Smiley

Do we know which clubs (at any level) sell replica adult shirts for less than that then?

In the league structure, they don't. But then, FCUM are a protest against what has become of football today, so such a comparison seems daft? Seems the supporters are happy though, I merely raised it as perhaps an opportunity lost

Must say my stance against FCUM has lessened somewhat from talking to youse on here. I may even attend a game next season, dunno maybe that's pushing it. It just pisses me off that it shouldn't be like this

fredthered · 17th June 2007, 17:43

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Originally Posted by Brad Cantona

It just pisses me off that it shouldn't be like this

You wont get any disagreement of many people about that.

BUT, if theres a silver lining out of it, then it lies in FC because I have to say that of all the things I've ever seen or done as a Man United fan, going to FC rates up there amongst the best of them.

You seriously should just pop along one day. Its not what many people perceive it to be.

Feedingseagulls · 17th June 2007, 22:38

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Originally Posted by fredthered

You wont get any disagreement of many people about that.

BUT, if theres a silver lining out of it, then it lies in FC because I have to say that of all the things I've ever seen or done as a Man United fan, going to FC rates up there amongst the best of them.

You seriously should just pop along one day. Its not what many people perceive it to be.

So what's happening about the AFC Wimbledon game in Aug?

mickthered · 17th June 2007, 23:25

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Originally Posted by Feedingseagulls

So what's happening about the AFC Wimbledon game in Aug?

Whilst the wifes away Mick will play

Feedingseagulls · 18th June 2007, 00:27

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Originally Posted by mickthered

Whilst the wifes away Mick will play

It sort of scans - but is scarcely helpful.

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NewtonHeathFC Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: scouse women prefer german men because they can stay on top for 90 minutes and still come second Posts: 1,108	just so you know Fred the more you will say "theres thousands of reds who love it, it gives them a sense of purpose" the more i will agree with you. its a great effort , and a rewarding one. it does fuck all FOR United and not much against Glazer. but on its own its a great idea. i applaud anyone who is involved in something like that, it certainly adds another dimension to football.