FC new home shirt here

77 · 8th June 2007, 01:24

Class

KingEric7 · 8th June 2007, 01:25

Looks a bit like the Wales shirt.

77 · 8th June 2007, 01:28

MikeUpNorth · 8th June 2007, 01:30

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Originally Posted by 77

I didn't realise there was so much oestrogen in the water even back then.

77 · 8th June 2007, 01:31

I noticed that too... kin tight those old kits

northroad1878 · 8th June 2007, 01:46

Fucking hell. I'm nearly getting horny over Lou. I need to go to bed. LOL

Brad · 8th June 2007, 01:47

£28 for the new shirt? £28 still for the old shirt? For a newly Unibond league side? Hmm...

northroad1878 · 8th June 2007, 01:47

Oh yeah, and... wrong forum! Alert, alert!! Wibble? Are you there? Move it now!

HELP!!!!! This might well upset people.

simoncj · 8th June 2007, 01:51

very nice

northroad1878 · 8th June 2007, 01:52

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Originally Posted by Brad Cantona

£28 for the new shirt? £28 still for the old shirt? For a newly Unibond league side? Hmm...

There isn't much of a similar market to compare against, really. But shirt manufacturing costs are about the same whoever you go to.

Profits to the club's owners is the point though, ie, to me and Fred and all the rest who buy them.

Have you missed a fundamental point again?

Brad · 8th June 2007, 01:59

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Originally Posted by northroad1878

There isn't much of a similar market to compare against, really. But shirt manufacturing costs are about the same whoever you go to.

Profits to the club's owners is the point though, ie, to me and Fred and all the rest who buy them.

Have you missed a fundamental point again?

I never miss fundimental points about FCUM northy, you confuse me for a clueless tosser!

Yes, the money goes back into the club. But it's still £28 of peoples money. And what happens when it's only £40 of peoples money? And what happens when you realise this model is naive and cannot last, because you will thirst for success, and realise you do need more income into the club?

Methinks manufacturing costs aren't so high that it requires £28 for a kit. And given your gate receipts and the level you play, is it really necessary to take so much more money off the clubs supporters?

Wibble · 8th June 2007, 02:00

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Originally Posted by northroad1878

Oh yeah, and... wrong forum! Alert, alert!! Wibble? Are you there? Move it now!

HELP!!!!! This might well upset people.

OK

Brad · 8th June 2007, 02:05

Bad form Wibble, there surely is a clear United angle on this given they've thieved the shirt design. You've essentially sent this thread into the abyss...

77 · 8th June 2007, 02:36

Wibble? WTF man!

Super Lou doesn't belong in the fuckin Unibondage league

Wibble · 8th June 2007, 04:13

Indeed he doesn't blame NorthRoad for requesting it.

fredthered · 8th June 2007, 14:17

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Originally Posted by Brad Cantona

I never miss fundimental points about FCUM northy, you confuse me for a clueless tosser!

Yes, the money goes back into the club. But it's still £28 of peoples money. And what happens when it's only £40 of peoples money? And what happens when you realise this model is naive and cannot last, because you will thirst for success, and realise you do need more income into the club?

Methinks manufacturing costs aren't so high that it requires £28 for a kit. And given your gate receipts and the level you play, is it really necessary to take so much more money off the clubs supporters?

Yet again you miss the fundamental point.

They arent taking OUR money... WE are taking our OWN money.. We voted for the new kit to be released in order that we can give the club valuable revenue with which WE can run our club properly.

WE decided we wanted a new kit
WE decided on what it would look like
WE decided on how much we would pay for it
WE will benefit from whatever sales are made.

You are trying to compare FCUM with what other clubs do. They just release the kit when they choose and they set the price that they want to charge.

At all times we are consulted and asked if what the board proposes is acceptable. If we dont like it it doesnt happen. If we think the price is too high then we reduce it.

Get it through your head. This isnt someone telling us how the club is run. Its us deciding ourselves how the club is run. A freedom that sadly you will never have and one you wouldnt know what to do with even if you got it...

fredthered · 8th June 2007, 14:17

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Originally Posted by 77

Wibble? WTF man!

Super Lou doesn't belong in the fuckin Unibondage league

He wouldnt feel at home in the premiership either....

NewtonHeathFC · 8th June 2007, 19:31

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Originally Posted by fredthered

Yet again you miss the fundamental point.

They arent taking OUR money... WE are taking our OWN money.. We voted for the new kit to be released in order that we can give the club valuable revenue with which WE can run our club properly.

WE decided we wanted a new kit
WE decided on what it would look like
WE decided on how much we would pay for it
WE will benefit from whatever sales are made.

You are trying to compare FCUM with what other clubs do. They just release the kit when they choose and they set the price that they want to charge.

At all times we are consulted and asked if what the board proposes is acceptable. If we dont like it it doesnt happen. If we think the price is too high then we reduce it.

Get it through your head. This isnt someone telling us how the club is run. Its us deciding ourselves how the club is run. A freedom that sadly you will never have and one you wouldnt know what to do with even if you got it...

A. surely the vote was not unanimous in favor of such price.
B. surely not every single person who goes to FC is on the board of directors.

are you saying that 5,000 people always agree on everything ?

redfan · 9th June 2007, 00:12

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Originally Posted by NewtonHeathFC

A. surely the vote was not unanimous in favor of such price.
B. surely not every single person who goes to FC is on the board of directors.

are you saying that 5,000 people always agree on everything ?

It's a democratic vote, our club our rules.

northroad1878 · 9th June 2007, 15:31

Our club, our rules.

Our money, our consumer power. (Note that MUFC fans can apply that one too if they choose)

We voted for the shirt. We elected the board that set the price. If we don't like their policies we shall not re-elect them.

But I doubt that'll happen as it seems a very fair price to me.

Freak · 9th June 2007, 15:36

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Originally Posted by 77

That's a pretty shit looking shirt if I'm being honest.

northroad1878 · 9th June 2007, 16:03

If I'm honest, I don't like it that much either. Slave to corporatism that I am (LOL) it's not the same without the Admiral logo.

And that shirt never had the three stripes badge either so looks a bit wrong.

Still, it's not a reason to change my vote next time. I'm happy enough.

Wolfboy · 10th June 2007, 01:27

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Originally Posted by NewtonHeathFC

A. surely the vote was not unanimous in favor of such price.
B. surely not every single person who goes to FC is on the board of directors.

are you saying that 5,000 people always agree on everything ?

Come on Newton, you know thats not how voting works, this is a democratic set up for the members of FC United, that means majorities.

Did everyone in the country ever vote for Tony Blair? I know I never did but I still accept his election because most people did vote for him.

Wolfboy · 10th June 2007, 01:30

anyway, just ordered mine.

See you down at Wimbeldon in it (if it arrives in time)

mickthered · 10th June 2007, 07:43

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Originally Posted by Gayboy

I never miss fundimental points about FCUM northy, you confuse me for a clueless tosser!

Yes, the money goes back into the club. But it's still £28 of peoples money. And what happens when it's only £40 of peoples money? And what happens when you realise this model is naive and cannot last, because you will thirst for success, and realise you do need more income into the club?

Methinks manufacturing costs aren't so high that it requires £28 for a kit. And given your gate receipts and the level you play, is it really necessary to take so much more money off the clubs supporters?

Yes 28 quid for the shirt is high
But there is a reason for that it subsidises the price of the childrens shirts which are lower in price then they should be
Anyhow I don't think the price is that high when you compare it to costs of other shirts even other non league clubs charge higher prices

And as for going on about more money then other clubs coming ln from gate receipts then other clubs at the same level I think you want to try doing a little more research in to that before using itas a stick to try and beat the club with and you will find that as most clubs own the e own ground they don't have to pay someone 5000 a game they also get money from other things like sponsorship of the shirts and groundside advertising etc money from catering social clubs open all week
Non of these options apart from the shirt sponsorship are open to FC

NewtonHeathFC · 10th June 2007, 07:49

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Originally Posted by Wolfboy

Come on Newton, you know thats not how voting works, this is a democratic set up for the members of FC United, that means majorities.

Did everyone in the country ever vote for Tony Blair? I know I never did but I still accept his election because most people did vote for him.

thats a very fair point.
you do realize that every government is as corrupt as any corporation

democratically elected means nothing, when its blatantly horrible, like northroad mentioned, the people do not elect it over again.
thats a fair point as well.
now consider this - United has over 75 million fans. England has a complex infrastructure , as any advanced country, which allows it to hold a fairly efficient voting process.
as long as you have a few thousand people it all seems peachy, i would love you to hold this vote among 75 million in over 200 countries. the expenses would probably eclipse your entire budget.

you know communism is probably the most beautiful and fair theory, the idea is ideal.
but it can only exist in 2 places:
1. Utopia
2. small isolated village.

if you consider all practical factors you will easily understand why communism failed miserably. you would also understand that being purists and expecting United to operate like FC is absurd, it will never happen not in this universe.

now a fair question would be - what's more important your utopia or United ?
answer this question granted that United must exist according to the laws of this world and the other alternative would be to not exist at all.

you do realize that had all 75 million turned their backs on United the club would fall apart like a deck of cards. thats another scenario that is just out of this world.
the next question would be - then what are you guys doing exactly ?
if the answer is - "formed a club for our own personal affordable enjoyment" - then its great but please dont look down at United fans just because they haven't followed your lead. we love United and we realize what entails following a big club. just like you realize what entails living in an advanced country, with a competitive employment market and we all like it even though that somewhere in the Tibetan mountains we can find communities where all possessions distributed equally.

TheGreyParrot · 10th June 2007, 10:25

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Originally Posted by NewtonHeathFC

thats a very fair point.
you do realize that every government is as corrupt as any corporation

democratically elected means nothing, when its blatantly horrible, like northroad mentioned, the people do not elect it over again.
thats a fair point as well.
now consider this - United has over 75 million fans. England has a complex infrastructure , as any advanced country, which allows it to hold a fairly efficient voting process.
as long as you have a few thousand people it all seems peachy, i would love you to hold this vote among 75 million in over 200 countries. the expenses would probably eclipse your entire budget.

you know communism is probably the most beautiful and fair theory, the idea is ideal.
but it can only exist in 2 places:
1. Utopia
2. small isolated village.

if you consider all practical factors you will easily understand why communism failed miserably. you would also understand that being purists and expecting United to operate like FC is absurd, it will never happen not in this universe.

now a fair question would be - what's more important your utopia or United ?
answer this question granted that United must exist according to the laws of this world and the other alternative would be to not exist at all.

you do realize that had all 75 million turned their backs on United the club would fall apart like a deck of cards. thats another scenario that is just out of this world.
the next question would be - then what are you guys doing exactly ?
if the answer is - "formed a club for our own personal affordable enjoyment" - then its great but please dont look down at United fans just because they haven't followed your lead. we love United and we realize what entails following a big club. just like you realize what entails living in an advanced country, with a competitive employment market and we all like it even though that somewhere in the Tibetan mountains we can find communities where all possessions distributed equally.

I love this idea of 75 million fans, and it is oft quoted by members of the United hierarchy but where exactly do these figures come from?

How do you, or indeed, David Gill, know that United have 75 million fans?
What constitutes a fan?
I watched 20 mins of New York Yankees versus the Pittsburgh Pirates this morning and I probably wanted New York to win, does that make me a statistic in the Yankees fan base?
It is impossible to state that United has 75 million fans.
Would a more accurate reflection of United's fanbase be how many members it has?
You have tried saying that people who no longer go Old Trafford any more and watch FC are no longer fans, so if thats the case, to be a fan surely you have to make some concession to at least attend Old Trafford, even if it's only once a season.

This ideal of one member, one vote, it couldn't work for a club the size of United could it?
I mean, Barcelona have struggled using this democratic system, haven't they?

You do realise that if all 75 million of these so-called fans actually did something about this club you say they all care for that nobody could touch us. If they was all United, (see what I did there?) we could own this club and have people who genuinely have the best interests of the club at heart to secure the long term future of Manchester United Football Club.

Tell you what your a clueless cunt when it comes to United but you've got this Zen Buddhist Monk shit going on brother.
You are one enlightened dude, talking about Utopia's and Tibetan mountains, you really are out there man, peace brother and feng shui!

fredthered · 10th June 2007, 12:54

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Originally Posted by NewtonHeathFC

thats a very fair point.
you do realize that every government is as corrupt as any corporation

democratically elected means nothing, when its blatantly horrible, like northroad mentioned, the people do not elect it over again.
thats a fair point as well.
now consider this - United has over 75 million fans. England has a complex infrastructure , as any advanced country, which allows it to hold a fairly efficient voting process.
as long as you have a few thousand people it all seems peachy, i would love you to hold this vote among 75 million in over 200 countries. the expenses would probably eclipse your entire budget.

you know communism is probably the most beautiful and fair theory, the idea is ideal.
but it can only exist in 2 places:
1. Utopia
2. small isolated village.

if you consider all practical factors you will easily understand why communism failed miserably. you would also understand that being purists and expecting United to operate like FC is absurd, it will never happen not in this universe.

now a fair question would be - what's more important your utopia or United ?
answer this question granted that United must exist according to the laws of this world and the other alternative would be to not exist at all.

you do realize that had all 75 million turned their backs on United the club would fall apart like a deck of cards. thats another scenario that is just out of this world.
the next question would be - then what are you guys doing exactly ?
if the answer is - "formed a club for our own personal affordable enjoyment" - then its great but please dont look down at United fans just because they haven't followed your lead. we love United and we realize what entails following a big club. just like you realize what entails living in an advanced country, with a competitive employment market and we all like it even though that somewhere in the Tibetan mountains we can find communities where all possessions distributed equally.

8th June 2007, 01:24	#1 (permalink)
77 First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: 'Part time reds full time twats'.... what RAWKers say about the Caf's Bindippers Posts: 11,604	FC new home shirt here

8th June 2007, 01:24	#2 (permalink)
77 First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: 'Part time reds full time twats'.... what RAWKers say about the Caf's Bindippers Posts: 11,604	Class

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KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Patrice Evra is that which no greater can be conceived. Posts: 13,554	Looks a bit like the Wales shirt.

8th June 2007, 01:28	#4 (permalink)
77 First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: 'Part time reds full time twats'.... what RAWKers say about the Caf's Bindippers Posts: 11,604

8th June 2007, 01:31	#6 (permalink)
77 First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: 'Part time reds full time twats'.... what RAWKers say about the Caf's Bindippers Posts: 11,604	I noticed that too... kin tight those old kits

8th June 2007, 01:46	#7 (permalink)
northroad1878 A bit of a brute Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A beaut of a Brit Posts: 1,669	Fucking hell. I'm nearly getting horny over Lou. I need to go to bed. LOL

8th June 2007, 01:47	#8 (permalink)
Brad GTBTB Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Red Republik Posts: 20,930	£28 for the new shirt? £28 still for the old shirt? For a newly Unibond league side? Hmm...

8th June 2007, 01:47	#9 (permalink)
northroad1878 A bit of a brute Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A beaut of a Brit Posts: 1,669	Oh yeah, and... wrong forum! Alert, alert!! Wibble? Are you there? Move it now! HELP!!!!! This might well upset people.

8th June 2007, 01:51	#10 (permalink)
simoncj Youth Team Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 235	very nice

8th June 2007, 02:05	#14 (permalink)
Brad GTBTB Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Red Republik Posts: 20,930	Bad form Wibble, there surely is a clear United angle on this given they've thieved the shirt design. You've essentially sent this thread into the abyss...

8th June 2007, 02:36	#15 (permalink)
77 First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: 'Part time reds full time twats'.... what RAWKers say about the Caf's Bindippers Posts: 11,604	Wibble? WTF man! Super Lou doesn't belong in the fuckin Unibondage league

8th June 2007, 04:13	#16 (permalink)
Wibble Teeth like a reindeer. Hung like a horse. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Ingadus Speramus Posts: 35,631	Indeed he doesn't blame NorthRoad for requesting it.

9th June 2007, 15:31	#21 (permalink)
northroad1878 A bit of a brute Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A beaut of a Brit Posts: 1,669	Our club, our rules. Our money, our consumer power. (Note that MUFC fans can apply that one too if they choose) We voted for the shirt. We elected the board that set the price. If we don't like their policies we shall not re-elect them. But I doubt that'll happen as it seems a very fair price to me.

9th June 2007, 16:03	#23 (permalink)
northroad1878 A bit of a brute Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A beaut of a Brit Posts: 1,669	If I'm honest, I don't like it that much either. Slave to corporatism that I am (LOL) it's not the same without the Admiral logo. And that shirt never had the three stripes badge either so looks a bit wrong. Still, it's not a reason to change my vote next time. I'm happy enough.

10th June 2007, 01:30	#25 (permalink)
Wolfboy No relation to Wolf Man Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: I work for myself now, no boss here, it's my company. I bet I still get made redundant. Posts: 3,484	anyway, just ordered mine. See you down at Wimbeldon in it (if it arrives in time)