FC Will never work

fredthered · 20th May 2006, 21:21

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Originally Posted by Guvnorgaz

And I remember seeing something on TV about ticket prices in London clubs and it was pointed out that Chelsea make nearly double what we make from a home game, thats from 42k against 68k. Its was something about some Chelsea season ticket holder who had been a ST holder for 50 yrs and he was paying 1800 quid per season and they have put it up to 3200 because they have built a toilet block closer to the block of seats where he goes

Well whoever told you that is lying.

If you want to go to Chelsea website that will show the prices of their STs and believe me. THey are NOT £3200.

Yes they are dearer, dont dispute that, but that still doesnt mean they bring in more money than United on a matchday.

Guvnorgaz · 20th May 2006, 22:25

They had the guy on Sky Sports News with his renewal letter for next season, hardly think the guy will go on TV and bitch and moan about his club ripping him off if its a lie and I doubt Sky are in the habit of reporting misinformation, I would imagine Chelsea would sue, now shut the fuck up you know all cunt cos as usual you think you know everything about Utd, Business, finance, and now every other fucking club in the country

fredthered · 20th May 2006, 23:30

Lets play a little game. You find a season ticket that costs £3200 out of this list of prices for STs for Stamford Bridge..

East Upper
£855
£430
£430

East Lower Family Centre
£530
£265
£265

West Lower
£810
£405
£405

West Upper
£1150
£430
£430

Matthew Harding Upper
£790
£385
£385

Matthew Harding Lower
£650
£330
£330

Copied and pasted from http://www.chelseafc.com/article.asp...s&nav=&sublid=

That is the OFFICIAL Chelsea website, and I think you can safely assume that they know what the price of their own Season TIckets are.

If you went out and did your research BEFORE spouting off utter bollocks then you might not be made to look so stupid everytime..

fredthered · 20th May 2006, 23:34

Oh to avoid confusion, the Highest figure is the adult price, the one beneath it is the price for OAPs and the bottom figure is the childs price.

Guvnorgaz · 21st May 2006, 00:45

Calm down Freddy boy, Im only saying what was on TV, they showed the fucking letter the guy got from Chelsea explaining why his ticket had gone up, I didnt write the fucking story you knob, I guess he must have been the Chelsea equivalent of you, making up bullshit about the club he supports cos they wont give him a cheap ticket cos he's on minimum wage

fredthered · 21st May 2006, 00:55

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Originally Posted by Guvnorgaz

Calm down Freddy boy, Im only saying what was on TV, they showed the fucking letter the guy got from Chelsea explaining why his ticket had gone up, I didnt write the fucking story you knob, I guess he must have been the Chelsea equivalent of you, making up bullshit about the club he supports cos they wont give him a cheap ticket cos he's on minimum wage

Is that a long winded way of saying "sorry Fred I was wrong"

Guvnorgaz · 21st May 2006, 01:59

I make no apologies for what I see on Tv, I dont follow Chelsea so for all I know they have backed down on the increases, but those were the figures given in the letter they showed on Sky, I doubt they would have shown it if it wasnt true at the time

mickthered · 21st May 2006, 10:21

There is little point in the United Finance Director, Nick Humby, stating that the rise only takes United into the top half of the table in cost terms. Most of the clubs above are based in London and have entirely different costs, but in any event United will now be charging somewhere equivalent to Chelsea for the vast majority of fans.

United compare their prices favourably to Chelsea and Spurs (the most expensive clubs to watch), suggesting that they cost double. But Chelsea have already printed their ticket price freeze for next season, and although their top price ticket (West Upper) equates to £60.50 per match, this is the only area of the ground (executive boxes notwithstanding) that will cost more than £45. The vast majority of fans will be paying £40 - £45. Which with a nominal London weighting is largely equivalent to the mode price at Old Trafford of £35.

Guvnorgaz · 21st May 2006, 21:15

Most of you will happily spend that on a night on the beer, getting shitfaced and spewing the lot up in the gutter but moan at paying it to watch your club. I see it a simple, these are the prices to watch your club, if you can afford them you go, if you cant then dont go and watch them on tv, no need to run off and start a new club, theres plenty of non league football teams you can go and watch if you want some live footy at cheaper prices

fredthered · 21st May 2006, 21:29

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Originally Posted by Guvnorgaz

Most of you will happily spend that on a night on the beer, getting shitfaced and spewing the lot up in the gutter but moan at paying it to watch your club. I see it a simple, these are the prices to watch your club, if you can afford them you go, if you cant then dont go and watch them on tv, no need to run off and start a new club, theres plenty of non league football teams you can go and watch if you want some live footy at cheaper prices

Why not start a football team if theres loads wanting to do it.

I am a pub landlord and loads of lads came to me saying they wanted to form a team to play on Saturday afternoons. They are all Wolves fans as it happens.

They got the team sorted, they joined a local league and I paid for the kit for them.

THose lads go out have a game, then come back and get merrily pissed up..

Now they could spend the money on going to games but they choose not to and they have as much fun running their own team. Which in essence is what we do,

Are those lads no longer Wolves fans ?

Guvnorgaz · 21st May 2006, 21:38

Are you telling me there are no other local sides in the league that FC play in or above that you couldnt have all gone and supported?

fredthered · 21st May 2006, 21:42

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Originally Posted by Guvnorgaz

Are you telling me there are no other local sides in the league that FC play in or above that you couldnt have all gone and supported?

Why not make our own club ?

If you had a load of mates who fancied creating a team wouldnt you do it ?

Thats how clubs get formed. Groups of people get together and decide they want to make a team up. THe fact theres 6000+ at FC United is irrelevant. We all decided we wanted to start our own team.

Using your argument there would only be one team in the world because instead of starting teams people would have to go watch a team in existence.

FC Sheffield would have the largest fan base ever, but unfortunately no one to pley against because they all had to be FC Sheffield fans because no ones allowed to start a new club.

mickthered · 21st May 2006, 22:07

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Originally Posted by Guvnorgaz

Are you telling me there are no other local sides in the league that FC play in or above that you couldnt have all gone and supported?

Well if thats the case why have you allways been an armchair supporter

fredthered · 21st May 2006, 22:10

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Originally Posted by mickthered

Well if thats the case why have you allways been an armchair supporter

I've a feeling you might have stopped the conversation dead in its tracks there Mick...

Guvnorgaz · 21st May 2006, 22:26

I go to my local side every home game

fredthered · 21st May 2006, 22:32

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Originally Posted by Guvnorgaz

I go to my local side every home game

So whats the difference between you watching your local team and me going to watch FC United ?

Guvnorgaz · 21st May 2006, 22:44

None, but I dont tell everyone else they should boycott United

fredthered · 21st May 2006, 22:48

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Originally Posted by Guvnorgaz

None, but I dont tell everyone else they should boycott United

But you tell everyone they should go, when you dont go yourself..

So whos the hypocrit ?

mickthered · 21st May 2006, 22:51

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Originally Posted by Guvnorgaz

None, but I dont tell everyone else they should boycott United

Who has said that you have to boycott going to the games

Guvnorgaz · 21st May 2006, 22:56

I do go to games when I can

mickthered · 21st May 2006, 22:58

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Originally Posted by Guvnorgaz

I do go to games when I can

Why not all of them then

Guvnorgaz · 21st May 2006, 23:01

Because it costs me well over a hundred pound to go to a game cos I live down south

mickthered · 21st May 2006, 23:06

Must be the South atlantic if it costs that much

fredthered · 21st May 2006, 23:14

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Originally Posted by Guvnorgaz

Because it costs me well over a hundred pound to go to a game cos I live down south

SO the ticket price increases therefore mean its just made it even less likely that you will go to games...

fredthered · 21st May 2006, 23:18

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Originally Posted by mickthered

Must be the South atlantic if it costs that much

Thats a bit unfair Mick. I travel from Wolverhampton to Manchester and I know how pricey it is.

For me to go alone to Man United from WOlverhampton incuding my ticket, would cost me the best part of £60 and thats before beer, food etc...

I can see where hes coming from on that score, but surely the increase in costs for him means he will go to even less games, and should be an incentive to fight against being ripped off.

If the debts were not there, the ticket prices wouldnt need to have gone up by 12%, and then he could maybe afford one or two more games a season, so why hes in fact arguing in favour of himself being deprived more chances to go to OT is beyond me..

Guvnorgaz · 21st May 2006, 23:30

Im in Brighton, so yeah right down south, ill go to as many games as I can and if I cant afford it I wont come running on here and tell everyone to stop going and burn down OT in protest

Guvnorgaz · 21st May 2006, 23:35

And as for no ticket rises if there was no debt, are you sure of that? People have been saying tickets are to expensive and moan about rises for as long as I can remember, the costs keep going up so obviously income needs to be increased. I would question some other business decisions first, such as paying Ferdinand 100k a week

fredthered · 21st May 2006, 23:45

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Originally Posted by Guvnorgaz

And as for no ticket rises if there was no debt, are you sure of that? People have been saying tickets are to expensive and moan about rises for as long as I can remember, the costs keep going up so obviously income needs to be increased. I would question some other business decisions first, such as paying Ferdinand 100k a week

I agree with you totally about Rio. Its completely and utterly unjustifiable.

But we all know that United need to increase revenue to cover the debt. Even you must know that.

Why should YOU, as a paying supporter, forfeit games through cost, just so that Glazer gets to own United. Why should you have to lose out...

Whether you choose to moan about it or not isnt the issue. The issue is should you have to miss out on games because you cant afford it, and the reason you cant afford it is because he has upped the ticket prices to service a debt that HE brought into the club.

I ask this question so many times and no one ever seems to answer it.

Is it right that YOU, as a matchgoing fan should pay for Glazer to own United. I am not talking about profits, I am not talking about players. I am talking about you paying for him to buy Manchester United...

Guvnorgaz · 21st May 2006, 23:53

I see your point about the debt but can you tell me for certain that they wouldnt have put prices up anyway? I dont think they put prices up cos they need to, they do it because they can and thats because there are still enough people who are willing to pay for it

mickthered · 22nd May 2006, 00:09

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Originally Posted by fredthered

Thats a bit unfair Mick. I travel from Wolverhampton to Manchester and I know how pricey it is.

For me to go alone to Man United from WOlverhampton incuding my ticket, would cost me the best part of £60 and thats before beer, food etc...

I can see where hes coming from on that score, but surely the increase in costs for him means he will go to even less games, and should be an incentive to fight against being ripped off.

If the debts were not there, the ticket prices wouldnt need to have gone up by 12%, and then he could maybe afford one or two more games a season, so why hes in fact arguing in favour of himself being deprived more chances to go to OT is beyond me..

I got to germany and back for less then £40

And you got to Oldham for free

Day return £25

fredthered · 22nd May 2006, 00:18

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Originally Posted by Guvnorgaz

I see your point about the debt but can you tell me for certain that they wouldnt have put prices up anyway? I dont think they put prices up cos they need to, they do it because they can and thats because there are still enough people who are willing to pay for it

Prices would have gone up, but no where near as high as they have been. I think any person with any level of nouse would realise that.

You cant increase the debt liability by a minimum of £25 million a season and sustain it on what United were charging previously. Prices had to go up else there wouldnt be enough to cover the bills.

The higher the prices go, the less people can afford to pay it and people have got limits. Its not saying they dont want to pay it, its just they physically cant.

Now supposing there are 10,000 people like you inside OT that go as often as they can. Like you there are times they cant afford to go. You admit that with the prices going up your trips to OT become less frequent. So that also must apply to those 10,000 as well, and if 10,000 people are going less and less to OT each year, then how much money is that thats not going into the kitty.

Say all 10,000 of those people go 2 times less a season and working on £35 a ticket. ( that equates to only 1000 people a game and barely noticable inside OT)

Thats ( working it out roughly in my head) about £700,000 a season. Thats not including merchandise sales, food programmes etc.

Its not inconceivable that 10,000 people like yourself who miss 2 games each a season extra will cost the club the best part of £1 million.

Thats a hell of a chunk of money to have to find from elsewhere, and the numbers missing odd games will rise and rise as tickets go up..

20th May 2006, 22:25	#42 (permalink)
Guvnorgaz Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Geeb's favourite poster Posts: 5,677	They had the guy on Sky Sports News with his renewal letter for next season, hardly think the guy will go on TV and bitch and moan about his club ripping him off if its a lie and I doubt Sky are in the habit of reporting misinformation, I would imagine Chelsea would sue, now shut the fuck up you know all cunt cos as usual you think you know everything about Utd, Business, finance, and now every other fucking club in the country

20th May 2006, 23:30	#43 (permalink)
fredthered I want Peter Kenyon back Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 14,491	Lets play a little game. You find a season ticket that costs £3200 out of this list of prices for STs for Stamford Bridge.. East Upper £855 £430 £430 East Lower Family Centre £530 £265 £265 West Lower £810 £405 £405 West Upper £1150 £430 £430 Matthew Harding Upper £790 £385 £385 Matthew Harding Lower £650 £330 £330 Copied and pasted from http://www.chelseafc.com/article.asp...s&nav=&sublid= That is the OFFICIAL Chelsea website, and I think you can safely assume that they know what the price of their own Season TIckets are. If you went out and did your research BEFORE spouting off utter bollocks then you might not be made to look so stupid everytime..

20th May 2006, 23:34	#44 (permalink)
fredthered I want Peter Kenyon back Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 14,491	Oh to avoid confusion, the Highest figure is the adult price, the one beneath it is the price for OAPs and the bottom figure is the childs price.

21st May 2006, 00:45	#45 (permalink)
Guvnorgaz Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Geeb's favourite poster Posts: 5,677	Calm down Freddy boy, Im only saying what was on TV, they showed the fucking letter the guy got from Chelsea explaining why his ticket had gone up, I didnt write the fucking story you knob, I guess he must have been the Chelsea equivalent of you, making up bullshit about the club he supports cos they wont give him a cheap ticket cos he's on minimum wage

21st May 2006, 01:59	#47 (permalink)
Guvnorgaz Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Geeb's favourite poster Posts: 5,677	I make no apologies for what I see on Tv, I dont follow Chelsea so for all I know they have backed down on the increases, but those were the figures given in the letter they showed on Sky, I doubt they would have shown it if it wasnt true at the time

21st May 2006, 10:21	#48 (permalink)
mickthered First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 6,742	There is little point in the United Finance Director, Nick Humby, stating that the rise only takes United into the top half of the table in cost terms. Most of the clubs above are based in London and have entirely different costs, but in any event United will now be charging somewhere equivalent to Chelsea for the vast majority of fans. United compare their prices favourably to Chelsea and Spurs (the most expensive clubs to watch), suggesting that they cost double. But Chelsea have already printed their ticket price freeze for next season, and although their top price ticket (West Upper) equates to £60.50 per match, this is the only area of the ground (executive boxes notwithstanding) that will cost more than £45. The vast majority of fans will be paying £40 - £45. Which with a nominal London weighting is largely equivalent to the mode price at Old Trafford of £35.

21st May 2006, 21:15	#49 (permalink)
Guvnorgaz Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Geeb's favourite poster Posts: 5,677	Most of you will happily spend that on a night on the beer, getting shitfaced and spewing the lot up in the gutter but moan at paying it to watch your club. I see it a simple, these are the prices to watch your club, if you can afford them you go, if you cant then dont go and watch them on tv, no need to run off and start a new club, theres plenty of non league football teams you can go and watch if you want some live footy at cheaper prices

21st May 2006, 21:38	#51 (permalink)
Guvnorgaz Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Geeb's favourite poster Posts: 5,677	Are you telling me there are no other local sides in the league that FC play in or above that you couldnt have all gone and supported?

21st May 2006, 22:26	#55 (permalink)
Guvnorgaz Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Geeb's favourite poster Posts: 5,677	I go to my local side every home game

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Guvnorgaz Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Geeb's favourite poster Posts: 5,677	None, but I dont tell everyone else they should boycott United

21st May 2006, 22:56	#60 (permalink)
Guvnorgaz Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Geeb's favourite poster Posts: 5,677	I do go to games when I can

21st May 2006, 23:01	#62 (permalink)
Guvnorgaz Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Geeb's favourite poster Posts: 5,677	Because it costs me well over a hundred pound to go to a game cos I live down south

21st May 2006, 23:06	#63 (permalink)
mickthered First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 6,742	Must be the South atlantic if it costs that much

21st May 2006, 23:30	#66 (permalink)
Guvnorgaz Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Geeb's favourite poster Posts: 5,677	Im in Brighton, so yeah right down south, ill go to as many games as I can and if I cant afford it I wont come running on here and tell everyone to stop going and burn down OT in protest

21st May 2006, 23:35	#67 (permalink)
Guvnorgaz Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Geeb's favourite poster Posts: 5,677	And as for no ticket rises if there was no debt, are you sure of that? People have been saying tickets are to expensive and moan about rises for as long as I can remember, the costs keep going up so obviously income needs to be increased. I would question some other business decisions first, such as paying Ferdinand 100k a week

21st May 2006, 23:53	#69 (permalink)
Guvnorgaz Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Geeb's favourite poster Posts: 5,677	I see your point about the debt but can you tell me for certain that they wouldnt have put prices up anyway? I dont think they put prices up cos they need to, they do it because they can and thats because there are still enough people who are willing to pay for it