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21st May 2006, 06:37
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FCUM...question to you all.
I am not trying to be a wum, its simply a question. Some say, no we don't wanna make it to the Prem. but some say they would love that, seems like a mixed reaction...whtas you future, are you planning on staying in oner league and dominating so you don't have to be forced into geting a shirt sponser, ticket increase, etc.?
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21st May 2006, 07:32
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Chef and honorary fat bloke in the Warrington Gimp Collective
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I have been to 1 FC game, so I suppose I am just about qualified to speak.
From my point of view I want FC to climb, I am 100% sure that FC will never sell it's soul, so if that means the climb is limited by that, I am more than happy for the team to stop at a level where it's soul stays in tact. I have read a couple of people quoting things like FC wont be here in 10 years, and that it is a passing phase, I defy any of those people to attend a game and say the say thing afterwards, I witnessed more passion and support from 4000 people at FC than 70,000 at OT, it is a truly magical place. |
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21st May 2006, 08:54
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Reserve Team Player
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Location: Glazer wherever you be, You bought Old Trafford, but you can't buy me, I said "Not for sale" and I meant just that, you can't buy me you greedy twat!
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WRONG FORUM!
But since we're all here... You can't make sweeping generalisations about FC anymore than you can "Big" united. All I can say is that when discussing FC in pubs etc. I have a answer and a put down for every snide comment made except... "Surely the more successful you are, the closer you're going to get, to what you've tried to get away from" Which leaves me flummuxed... having said that it'll be 10 years at the earliest before FC could be in the premiership and I would be pleasantly suprised if we're even out of the Conference by then, so it reality the whole question is so far off in the future, it's irrelevant. As for shirt sponsorship/ticket prices etc. It's all bull-shit that you've been taught by Sky and the Premiership. Barcelona have no shirt sponsor and they're champions of Europe. Most Spanish, German and Italian teams charge between £70 and £300 for a adult season ticket (Barca's cheapest is £80) Open your eyes.... they're fucking you up the arse and laughing at you! |
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21st May 2006, 09:35
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Beanpole studying Irish history
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21st May 2006, 10:12
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21st May 2006, 10:31
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As far as I care its a magical mystery tour and I am happy just to see where it takes me for the time being
The only problem with a question like this is that you will get a different answer from whomever you speak to Some fans will tell you they are happy to stay where they are But I'm sure if you was to speak to the players etc they will tell you that they want to go as high and quickly as possible As for being forced into anything that will not happen as its up to the fans as to what happens Promotion next season and it was voted that the prices go down for season ticket holders Under 18s STs have in fact been cut by half |
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21st May 2006, 10:37
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I want Peter Kenyon back
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I want FC to go as high as it can on the condition it does not sell it soul which means that the following should not be compromised
1) Fans ownership 2) No sponsors on the shirt EVER 3) No moving games to accomodate SKY or ANY TV company for that matter 4) Safe standing 5) Prices to remain at a level that makes it affordable for the supporters As long as those things are kept then FC can go as high as it wants, but if any one or all of them are ever to be removed then FC has to stop where it is and forfeit promotion.. |
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21st May 2006, 11:13
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No sponsors on the shirt EVER Thats up to the fans cant see it ever changing but in the future who knows what Apart from the fans ownership as that is writen in stone No moving games to accomodate SKY or ANY TV company for that matter This could possibly rear its ugly head next season in the FA Vase it was explained that the slight possibilty of it being on Sky but it was still voted to enter the competition Safe standing Depends on how high up the league we go or want to go even though all seating is not a law Prices to remain at a level that makes it affordable for the supporters That will always be up to us |
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21st May 2006, 11:18
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I want Peter Kenyon back
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( thats why the very first thing I said I wanted was fans ownership  ) |
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21st May 2006, 11:31
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A Vase game next season being put on Sky with the times being changed Although I dont think that there would be any stewards pulling down all the anti Sky banners or kicking people out for chants against Sky  If there was a change in peoples feelings about shirt sponsorship I would never vote for it (maybe local or charitable causes would have to to think about) If the majority ever changed its feelings and voted for it then what |
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21st May 2006, 11:36
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Beanpole studying Irish history
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21st May 2006, 11:36
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I want Peter Kenyon back
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If the majority vote for it then I just raise my objections and thats about all I can do. Or I go and form FC United of Walsall.. |
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21st May 2006, 11:41
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FC can be a horrible place, very anti-United. And believe me, there are few people who hate this more than me. If you want to sweep us all with the same brush then fine. But if you do, you are an intellect. If you really think every FC fan (Probably around 10k worldwide) shares the same views you are very wrong. I don't go to Old Trafford because it's shit. Simple as. It's too dear, I will get food poisoning off the pie I have just paid £5 for, and the tickets cost me an arm and a leg. I actually had to sell my body parts on eBay last year. FC is just a great day out. Nothing more. I love the face there is no sponsorship, stupid KO times etc... I also love the fact I can take my nephew to see real football for less than a POUND a game. Even though the football is absoluely shite. Which, lets be honest, it normally is. But you can drink in the ground, the atmosphere is fantastic, sing UNITED songs, what more do you want? Plus the FC crowd are a great lot. As corny as it is, it is like a big family. What I don't agree with is people who are disullusioned to the Glazer situation. They daren't recall that the fans have never owned United, even before Glazer. And they probably never will. FC is owned by the fans, ANY decision, has to go through them. Anyway - your question. There are many fans who want this "Ten year dream" to be playing in the premiership. Well what fucking hypocrits these people are. They fight against the odds to create a club that takes away all the wrongs about the premiership, and now they want to go back. Well you have one or the other. A club that is tun by money, silly KO times etc...and playing in the premiership. Or you settle for playing in the conference, which would be great for me. There are some people in FCUM who want that, but they don't really have a clue what FC is about. To answer your question, I can't. I can't answer a question on behalf of 10K people. This is how I feel, others will disagree. The main thing is, don't think we all share the same views, ideas, etc...just because we support the same club. |
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21st May 2006, 12:12
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21st May 2006, 12:47
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Kid for less then a pound  £2 admission this season, £1 next season with a ST Quote:
 You are NOT allowed to drink in the ground you may have more chance of getting away with it but legally its the same rules as OT or any other ground for drinking Wouldnt say the football is allways shit have seen some very good football at times that would not be out of place in the premier league Yes there are some who at times are anti United but I would say these are by far the minority and wouldnt want to be one of them in a pub pre game when United are on TV for eg The bigest majority of FC fans are still United fans United never owned by fans maybe not but without the fans United would be nothing Something that United should be quick to learn when coming out with coments about United fans not being fans just customers As for the ten year dream I should imagine that the people who want this will still want it under FC ideals and would like to reach the premier by showing that there is another way to do it apart from greed Even though I'm happy where we are are I think calling them "fucking hypocrits" is a bit out of order |
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21st May 2006, 12:52
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Hope they do well.
But can only go so far if not prepared to sell out in some way to gain the revenue if football league status is required. Be interesting if they get into that position. |
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21st May 2006, 13:03
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Another way will be found to bring in the money that changing shirts would have brought in |
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21st May 2006, 13:05
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Location: Glazer wherever you be, You bought Old Trafford, but you can't buy me, I said "Not for sale" and I meant just that, you can't buy me you greedy twat!
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http://soccer-stats.football365.com/...PL/attend.html and the tickets are cheaper... and the fans own it... and there is no sponsorship... wake up and smell the coffee! Quote:
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21st May 2006, 13:12
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As for drinks you may be right there, I've never had any hassle of stewards though... It would be impossible to survive in the premiership with no money, or little money, and without silly rules imposing seating restrictions and daft kick-off times. Now this is all part of what FC is against, for people who sing against these things to then "dream" of having them suggests a little hypocricy. Plus if we do get players of a top class quality needed, will they work for a couple of hundred pounds a week? So then we need money, then we're back to square one... Apologies, calling them "fucking hypocrits" is out of order. |
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21st May 2006, 13:28
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I want Peter Kenyon back
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Alot of the work being done within the club is done by volunteers ie the Megastall, program sellers etc. THere is nothing to suggest that couldnt continue, and likewise refreshment stalls can be ran by volunteers. In time I am pretty sure if FC got their own ground then you would find plenty who would volunteer to train up as Stewards. After all the last game at Gigg Lane this season proved there are people willing to step in and run things if needed. There are so many different ways the fans can help and in turn lower the burden to the club on things which other clubs have to pay for. WHen you look at the number of staff employed at Premiership clubs and imagine how much FC would save by using the biggest resource they have ( the fans) then it does show where money can be saved. Those burdens that they have will not apply to FC United and that in turn will allow FC to keep more of what they take through turnstiles and use it on wages etc, and best of all, the fans are then actively involved in the club and not just turning up on the day and going home. They are doing their bit. |
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21st May 2006, 13:33
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But surely you cant think it's possible. Let me put it to you another way. Yes or no. Could FCUM survive in the premiership, using the same ideals we have used in the NWCD2. I think no, as much as I would love it to be possible. (I'm Ketchisastud on the FC forum ) |
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21st May 2006, 13:55
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I want Peter Kenyon back
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I know EXACTLY who you are I spotted it a mile off. I think that FC United could survive in the Premiership with roughly the same ideals. It all depends on how its approached. Rather than paying extortionate fees to clubs for transfers the club would recruit young talent and nurture them through the youth system. Some players would inevitably be sold, and that in turn would raise money for wages. Many lower division clubs such as Crewe are relatively self funding. Nurturing players then selling them on and that money pays wages and allows money for youth development. The stumbling block is obviously TV money. The fans only want 3pm Saturday kick off, which flies in the face of SKY. How that is overcome, I dont know. Basically the fans would need to look at, see what benefits FC would gain from it, and IF they felt it was right then they would choose to accept it. On the other hand they might not want to go down that road and therefore might vote not to go into the premiership. There are no limits to what FC United can achieve, they just have to look at what they believe in, and see whether the rise up the leagues compromises those beliefs.. |
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