Ok then. Where do you stand.

redfan · 23rd February 2006, 12:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by topper

Redfan I'm not defending the Dwarf but where has he asked us to cough up more cash.

If you're referring to the increase in ticket prices they were approved by the PLC afore the Dwarf

One thing I have noticed is rumour and hearsay replacing fact in debates of this natureso I want to put the record straight on this small issue

Now Sod Off Glazer you and your brood

I admit to going a little over the top and you are correct in stating that the rises had already been approved, but it is reasonable to assume that further rises are in the offing considering our now huge debt. But as I say I'm pissed off with PL football anyway and am already priced out of OT, FC has been a saviour for me, football I can afford and enjoy.

topper · 23rd February 2006, 12:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by redfan

I admit to going a little over the top and you are correct in stating that the rises had already been approved, but it is reasonable to assume that further rises are in the offing considering our now huge debt. But as I say I'm pissed off with PL football anyway and am already priced out of OT, FC has been a saviour for me, football I can afford and enjoy.

Each to his own

Me if I cann't make Man United when I'm back in UK I go to see the United reserves so that I am completely totally RED

and the reserves could do with some support too

Giggzinho · 23rd February 2006, 14:01

very true

redfan · 23rd February 2006, 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by topper

Each to his own

Me if I cann't make Man United when I'm back in UK I go to see the United reserves so that I am completely totally RED

and the reserves could do with some support too

Doesn't matter wether it's reserves or first team it's still a PL club and I am not supporting that anymore. Football has moved a long way since I entered the scene, winning was not the most important thing it was being there that counted, having a laugh and a good sing song in the Stretford end before chasing the opposition round Trafford Park after the game. Now going to OT is like being admitted to hospital, sit down, wash your mouth out, sit down, shut your trap, no thanks you and sky can keep it, me I'll go to Gigg Lane with some fans who do know what they want and have at least got the balls to stick up for it.

ladybarnred · 23rd February 2006, 19:27

well said... I'm 30-odd and there is definately a generational gap where 90's fans....

a) expect success like a spoilt child

b) think watching football on TV makes you a "fan"

c) think getting drunk and singing and having a laugh is beneath them (a class thing?)

d) think me and those like me with 30 years match going under our belts are "traitors" for sticking to our (possibly misguided) principles and watching FC.

and I can't help but think all 4 are related.

26 may 1999 · 23rd February 2006, 19:30

mickthered · 23rd February 2006, 19:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladybarnred

well said... I'm 30-odd and there is definately a generational gap where 90's fans....

a) expect success like a spoilt child

b) think watching football on TV makes you a "fan"

c) think getting drunk and singing and having a laugh is beneath them (a class thing?)

d) think me and those like me with 30 years match going under our belts are "traitors" for sticking to our (possibly misguided) principles and watching FC.

and I can't help but think all 4 are related.

What I cant understand

Is that its mostly the ones that dont go and just watch United on TV who call us traitors

Whats the difference
they dont go to OT but sit at home and watch it on the box

We dont go to OT watch FC United and watch United on the box

ladybarnred · 23rd February 2006, 20:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickthered

What I cant understand

Is that its mostly the ones that dont go and just watch United on TV who call us traitors

Whats the difference
they dont go to OT but sit at home and watch it on the box

We dont go to OT watch FC United and watch United on the box

NAIL.... HIT.... ON.... HEAD......

topper · 23rd February 2006, 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by redfan

Doesn't matter wether it's reserves or first team it's still a PL club and I am not supporting that anymore. Football has moved a long way since I entered the scene, winning was not the most important thing it was being there that counted, having a laugh and a good sing song in the Stretford end before chasing the opposition round Trafford Park after the game. Now going to OT is like being admitted to hospital, sit down, wash your mouth out, sit down, shut your trap, no thanks you and sky can keep it, me I'll go to Gigg Lane with some fans who do know what they want and have at least got the balls to stick up for it.

Make up your mind you have stopped going to OT ***

you cannot afford it
The dwarf has put up ticket prices
You cann't cheer etc etc etc
You don't want to go to OT
The atmpsphere at OT is poor
etc etc etc

United reserves are cheap fresh and untainted by profesionalism don't play at OT etc and are still the real United BUT you still don't want to go

WHY - you don't like the PL yet you supported them from its inception *** you supported them as a PL side when they did doubles and trebles so what are you miffed at with our reserves now

topper · 23rd February 2006, 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladybarnred

well said... I'm 30-odd and there is definately a generational gap where 90's fans....

a) expect success like a spoilt child

b) think watching football on TV makes you a "fan"

c) think getting drunk and singing and having a laugh is beneath them (a class thing?)

d) think me and those like me with 30 years match going under our belts are "traitors" for sticking to our (possibly misguided) principles and watching FC.

and I can't help but think all 4 are related.

Well since you're putting notches on your belt let me notch mine
I'm not Manchester born nor have I lived within 100 miles of OT but I.ve supported them YES really supported them for nearly 50 years
and been to OT or away probably more time than most fans have had hot dinners and its cost me a bloody fortune to do so and I;ll continue to support them in the future even if it costs me another fortune and I won't try to be imagine myself superior to United fans who through circumstances are unable to do a pilgrimage to OT but continue with an allegiance to MU and not look for soft options

For me a United supporter is a United supporter full stop - he doesn't need an accident of birth or the money or good luck to visit OT to be a fan but just a belief that Manchester United is the only club in the world to support and that for most of us is sufficient EVEN if its support is only from the TV

If you want to support FCUM fine and most of us have no problems with that

but please don't trot out threadbare excuses about atmosphere, cost, Glazer etc to justify you leaving

you don't like the OT scene fine BUT IMO

United supporters stay with United those that don't and have gone down a path they've chosen I don't bear them any grudges and wish them pleasure and enjoyment in their choice

except when they slag off those fans that continue to support the only team in the world worth supporting

topper · 23rd February 2006, 22:03

PS sorry about the rant - its an FCUM forum after all

all I can say its its *** I luv Man United summat rotten

MANCHESTER BOY · 23rd February 2006, 22:17

topper you're making the same mistake as I did. You're judging FC without actually experiencing it from yourself. If you look at some of these threads you will see I was calling FC "traitors" etc...

I don't think there is anyone who has abandoned United, just refuse to pay Glazer. The worst thing is the 'fans' who start to go on. Laker202 is a perfect example in the newbies. Calling me and fredthered traitors. But it was like, well im 16, regularly go to FC AND United and also manage a handful of reserve games. Fredthered who has been going regularly for donkeys years, and travels from Birmingham every week !

Then you ask...if we're going to try and out-united one another...what exactly have these fans done for our club ?

The majority have never been to OT. I don't have a problem woth this, but to then come and call us traitors for going is ludicrous.

ladybarnred · 23rd February 2006, 22:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by MANCHESTER BOY

The majority have never been to OT. I don't have a problem woth this, but to then come and call us traitors for going is ludicrous.

This was the point I was trying to make.

If you live in Manchester and go to OT regular great. If you can't afford to go, fine. If you live miles away and go regularly, fuck me.... I doubt I'd have your comitment. What I have a problem with is the "It's too hard to get tickets" brigade who are the same cheeky cunts who say FC fans are traitors.

I wasn't trying to be "redder-than-thou"

MANCHESTER BOY · 23rd February 2006, 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladybarnred

This was the point I was trying to make.

If you live in Manchester and go to OT regular great. If you can't afford to go, fine. If you live miles away and go regularly, fuck me.... I doubt I'd have your comitment. What I have a problem with is the "It's too hard to get tickets" brigade who are the same cheeky cunts who say FC fans are traitors.

I wasn't trying to be "redder-than-thou"

Like I said Laker202 is the perfect example. KofiAnnan is another. Im not sure if KA goes to games or whatever.

ladybarnred · 23rd February 2006, 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by topper

United supporters stay with United those that don't and have gone down a path they've chosen I don't bear them any grudges and wish them pleasure and enjoyment in their choice

I still watch "big United" but only on aways... I have made a principled stand to not give Glazer money... but I'm still a United fan.

redfan · 24th February 2006, 00:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by topper

Make up your mind you have stopped going to OT ***

you cannot afford it
The dwarf has put up ticket prices
You cann't cheer etc etc etc
You don't want to go to OT
The atmpsphere at OT is poor
etc etc etc

United reserves are cheap fresh and untainted by profesionalism don't play at OT etc and are still the real United BUT you still don't want to go

WHY - you don't like the PL yet you supported them from its inception *** you supported them as a PL side when they did doubles and trebles so what are you miffed at with our reserves now

As I said the game has changed, even you must realise that, it's no fun anymore, it's over priced and is now just a money machine. I have been on the brink for a long time hoping things might change, clinging on and even when I was priced out I was still a member, giving my little bit to United, I still love United but I will not put in anymore cash. I was on the verge of leaving football altogether then along came FC, I read the hype and heard the stories coming out of Gigg Lane but I was not convinced. On the 22nd of October I went to my first game, in the pub I met an amazing set of fans, it was like the clock had been turned back 30 years what was even more amazing was the recollections of fans about their love of United, at last I had found somebody who echoed my thoughts exactly. When I returned home my wife could see the sparkle in my eyes she sensed my excitement and was already planning my next trip, unfortunately she passed away on the 24th of October. I still love United, always will but FC has given me football once again, the football that I like. We all have different views and we will all do whatever we wish, and none of us are wrong, we are all right, lets keep it like that, no arguing just respect each other.

MANCHESTER BOY · 24th February 2006, 00:07

TWO UNITED BUT THE SOUL IS ONE...

AS THE BUSBY BABES CARRY ON !!

Says it all really.

fredthered · 24th February 2006, 08:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by MANCHESTER BOY

topper you're making the same mistake as I did. You're judging FC without actually experiencing it from yourself. If you look at some of these threads you will see I was calling FC "traitors" etc...

I don't think there is anyone who has abandoned United, just refuse to pay Glazer. The worst thing is the 'fans' who start to go on. Laker202 is a perfect example in the newbies. Calling me and fredthered traitors. But it was like, well im 16, regularly go to FC AND United and also manage a handful of reserve games. Fredthered who has been going regularly for donkeys years, and travels from Birmingham every week !

Then you ask...if we're going to try and out-united one another...what exactly have these fans done for our club ?

The majority have never been to OT. I don't have a problem woth this, but to then come and call us traitors for going is ludicrous.

MB, that is one hell of a post mate....

fair play to you...

Nail - Head - Hit.

topper · 24th February 2006, 09:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by MANCHESTER BOY

topper you're making the same mistake as I did. You're judging FC without actually experiencing it from yourself. If you look at some of these threads you will see I was calling FC "traitors" etc...

I don't think there is anyone who has abandoned United, just refuse to pay Glazer. The worst thing is the 'fans' who start to go on. Laker202 is a perfect example in the newbies. Calling me and fredthered traitors. But it was like, well im 16, regularly go to FC AND United and also manage a handful of reserve games. Fredthered who has been going regularly for donkeys years, and travels from Birmingham every week !

Then you ask...if we're going to try and out-united one another...what exactly have these fans done for our club ?

The majority have never been to OT. I don't have a problem woth this, but to then come and call us traitors for going is ludicrous.

MB I don't need to stick my hand on a fire to know its going to hurt and I don't need to go to FCUM to get the rush I need - seeing United at OT or better away gives me all the rush I need

To put it simply after getting used to drinking Champagne all these years to drop to to drinking Pepsi doesn't appeal to me.

Some people may like Pepsi and thats their choice me I'll stay with the REAL THING in spite of Glazer or whoever comes after him

topper · 24th February 2006, 09:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by redfan

As I said the game has changed, even you must realise that, it's no fun anymore, it's over priced and is now just a money machine. I have been on the brink for a long time hoping things might change, clinging on and even when I was priced out I was still a member, giving my little bit to United, I still love United but I will not put in anymore cash. I was on the verge of leaving football altogether then along came FC, I read the hype and heard the stories coming out of Gigg Lane but I was not convinced. On the 22nd of October I went to my first game, in the pub I met an amazing set of fans, it was like the clock had been turned back 30 years what was even more amazing was the recollections of fans about their love of United, at last I had found somebody who echoed my thoughts exactly. When I returned home my wife could see the sparkle in my eyes she sensed my excitement and was already planning my next trip, unfortunately she passed away on the 24th of October. I still love United, always will but FC has given me football once again, the football that I like. We all have different views and we will all do whatever we wish, and none of us are wrong, we are all right, lets keep it like that, no arguing just respect each other.

Never meant any disrespect or slight to you Redfan *** us oldies have to get on and theres no way now I'm going to argue with you or FCUM afficionados over FCUM

I'll discuss challenge and perhaps persuade you all to go back to the true path of football BUT argue never *** I find I'm getting to like more and more people in this forum and do feel a tad more comfortable here than in lots of other Forums of RC

Funny innit

mickthered · 24th February 2006, 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by topper

MB I don't need to stick my hand on a fire to know its going to hurt and I don't need to go to FCUM to get the rush I need - seeing United at OT or better away gives me all the rush I need

To put it simply after getting used to drinking Champagne all these years to drop to to drinking Pepsi doesn't appeal to me.

Some people may like Pepsi and thats their choice me I'll stay with the REAL THING in spite of Glazer or whoever comes after him

What happens when you cant afford Champagne will you sudenly stop drinking altogether
Days like that you will be happy for a pepsi

Or

What happens when you get a bad bottle of Champagne

Will you simply carry on drinking it no matter how bad it is just because its called Champagne

topper · 24th February 2006, 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickthered

What happens when you cant afford Champagne will you sudenly stop drinking altogether
Days like that you will be happy for a pepsi

Or

What happens when you get a bad bottle of Champagne

Will you simply carry on drinking it no matter how bad it is just because its called Champagne

When I need a Pepsi I'll go the United reserves

If I hit on a bad bottle of Champers I'll get it replaced FOC

ladybarnred · 24th February 2006, 14:08

sack the analogies... what about when you want a good, fun, cheap day out for a laugh with a load of United fans, like you used to get 10 years ago at OT , 5 years ago on aways and 2 years ago on Euro aways?

topper · 24th February 2006, 15:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladybarnred

sack the analogies... what about when you want a good, fun, cheap day out for a laugh with a load of United fans, like you used to get 10 years ago at OT , 5 years ago on aways and 2 years ago on Euro aways?

As you say sod the analogies - if its crack I want I'll go to a boozer with mates and cheer on United on the telly

if its seeing football in the raw I need then its always Man United for me - I'm too old to change even if I wanted to

Sorry

But I can see why FCUM is such an attraction for you FCUM lot and good luck to you all

ladybarnred · 24th February 2006, 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by topper

As you say sod the analogies - if its crack I want I'll go to a boozer with mates and cheer on United on the telly

if its seeing football in the raw I need then its always Man United for me - I'm too old to change even if I wanted to

Sorry

But I can see why FCUM is such an attraction for you FCUM lot and good luck to you all

Well fair play to you for saying that. I've made a difficult decission about going OT and I've never slagged off people who stayed at OT or can't be bothered to try FC. I only wish everyone who slags off FC could do the same for me.

redfan · 24th February 2006, 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladybarnred

Well fair play to you for saying that. I've made a difficult decission about going OT and I've never slagged off people who stayed at OT or can't be bothered to try FC. I only wish everyone who slags off FC could do the same for me.

Well said.

redfan · 24th February 2006, 16:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by topper

As you say sod the analogies - if its crack I want I'll go to a boozer with mates and cheer on United on the telly

if its seeing football in the raw I need then its always Man United for me - I'm too old to change even if I wanted to

Sorry

But I can see why FCUM is such an attraction for you FCUM lot and good luck to you all

Cheers topper for a good debate, you have my best wishes as you follow your dream.

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Giggzinho Fletcher's bitch Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Floating Around Rio's P*ss Bottle... Posts: 3,181	very true

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topper Pooper Trooper Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 12,036	PS sorry about the rant - its an FCUM forum after all all I can say its its *** I luv Man United summat rotten

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MANCHESTER BOY Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Barely old enough to smoke... Posts: 3,712	topper you're making the same mistake as I did. You're judging FC without actually experiencing it from yourself. If you look at some of these threads you will see I was calling FC "traitors" etc... I don't think there is anyone who has abandoned United, just refuse to pay Glazer. The worst thing is the 'fans' who start to go on. Laker202 is a perfect example in the newbies. Calling me and fredthered traitors. But it was like, well im 16, regularly go to FC AND United and also manage a handful of reserve games. Fredthered who has been going regularly for donkeys years, and travels from Birmingham every week ! Then you ask...if we're going to try and out-united one another...what exactly have these fans done for our club ? The majority have never been to OT. I don't have a problem woth this, but to then come and call us traitors for going is ludicrous.

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MANCHESTER BOY Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Barely old enough to smoke... Posts: 3,712	TWO UNITED BUT THE SOUL IS ONE... AS THE BUSBY BABES CARRY ON !! Says it all really.

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