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14th April 2006, 10:04
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As chuffed as I am, and I have had a 3-day hard-on, I hope that FCUM don't continue to get promoted. If we do continue this rise, 'The ten year dream', our club will be infested by financial issues, ruining what we stand for. I would much rather stay in the Unibond, or conference, and act as a platform for young players to build their careeers. (Rory Patterson?)
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14th April 2006, 15:52
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14th April 2006, 19:03
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19th April 2006, 18:12
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19th April 2006, 22:25
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19th April 2006, 22:31
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If FC continues to get promoted, just in order to stay up they will have to make certain decisions that are based on financial considerations. It becomes the price of success. I know you don't like to hear it, but FC already is pretty heavily commercialised. I guess the question boils down to where the money ends up, really. But if the 10 year dream in to be in the top flight, then there will be times when money will have to go into things or come from things the reaction to which was exactly part of the reason FC was formed. |
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20th April 2006, 00:00
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There has been a lot of talk on this subject up to now many have come to the conclusion that in the future if it is needed it could or would be a local thing or even a charitable organisation Thats why the Bhopal Medical Appeal is the main sponsor at the moment As for your ten year dream that may be the dream of some of the fans but thats about it Everything else is up to us the fans as to what hapens not someone telling us what to do The board what to bring out a new shirt next season they have been told no by the fans , so no new shirt next season Gate prices have been kept the same ST prices have been droped and ST for kids have been cut in half for next season As for the money and where it ends up the answer to that is the only place its allowed and thats back at the club or any community projects seen fit to by the club Anything sold by the club up to now is only up for sale because that is what the fans have asked for |
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20th April 2006, 03:35
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Who exactly is "the fans", and how do you get to be a part of this "the fans" group who make these decisions? How exactly do "the fans" control the board?
Presumably everything United puts out is put out because at least some of 'the fans' want it, otherwise the club would lose money. And the board gets its way on the shirts no matter what, as the current home shirt says "Inaugural Season 05/06" on it. I know, I've got one. |
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20th April 2006, 09:24
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The first point "The fans"that ones easy just become a member and you will get a vote as long as you are over 16 It was decided at the last General meeting that the price to become a member (Adult) should be set at ten pounds (Due to the IPS rules the club has to charge to become a member and only adult members get to vote) Last season there was a charge which was more of a donation as you could pay whatever you wanted from one pound upwards , which worked out at about four thousand members giving an average of fifty pounds each Obviously everything can not go to a vote but everything major will Anyone can stand for election to the board each year and every year half the board stand for re-election with the other half the year later as this way gives some sort of continuity and takes away the possibility of a complete board being removed and a new one starting and not having a clue what has been started and what is going on Would imagine that almost everything put out by Big United would be brought by some one somewhere at some stage due to the size of the fan base Everything sold by FC has been specifically asked for by the fans, but that does not mean everything asked for will be made Apparently quite a few people asked the club to make some sew on patches which the club decided not to make as they thought that there was enough items on sale at the moment. I have had 100 made with the clubs permission and all money going to the United for Alex appeal and have had orders from all over the world for them Due to time constraints the first kit did not go to a vote as there was not enough time and the first kits played in were a poor imitation of the ones used now as they was only prototypes of the real thing The board wanted to start a two year cycle of kits starting next season with the home kit being changed but this was voted against at the general meeting and looks like it will be one thing on the agenda every season to be voted on It was however decided to have the "Inaugural Season 05/06" removed |
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20th April 2006, 09:40
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Meaning, there will be a new kit on sale next year. The current home one, without the embroidery about 'Inaugural Season'.
The point I was trying to make is that some serious decisions about commercialisation will have to be made as and when the club goes up the ladder. The 10 pounds and you're in system works almost like a stock system, except that someone wanting to gain control would have to find 51% proxy voters. Then those 51% could vote to disolve the voting system and make decisions go to the board. Who they could then replace over the period they leave office. Bob's your Uncle, and its FC United of Tampchester. So you see, its a lot more like the bad things about Big United than you realise, and if there is continued progress, someone who wants to make money will find a way to do so by either exploiting the system currently in existence or (completely democratically, mind you) disolving it. And then you're back where you started. |
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20th April 2006, 10:11
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The nearest you would be able to get to that would be to vote on disbanding the club and then having to start again with no money or anything As for the commercialisation as we go up the ladder yes it will have to be looked at but how far that goes is up to the fans As for next the season it even went to the vote over entry in the FA Vase because of the possibility of being on Sky TV and without the FA Vase next season there would be no FA Cup the season after So in a way it has allready started |
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20th April 2006, 14:15
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FC United will never sell it's soul, of that I am sure.
Sponsorship, Money and Greed will not get a look in, and if that means FC stop climbing at a certain point then so be it, the fans will still be there, (having a party) supporting the club and the standards that have been set since day one. |
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20th April 2006, 19:50
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My point, Shane, is do you deliberately sabotage success on the pitch just to make sure the greedmongers don't get a look in.
As I pointed out above, all you need is proxies to vote whatever you want in - sponsorship, the lot. |
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20th April 2006, 21:02
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What would be the point of going to all that trouble and expense to vote something in as it would be illegal to take money out of the club |
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21st April 2006, 06:36
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Or for the club to reformat itself? I'm not a UK lawyer, but it would seem unless you are founded as a charity it can't possibly be illegal to shift and change your business form. |
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21st April 2006, 06:38
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Only matchgoers get a say. Not really fair considering the number of foreigners or non-regular matchgoers who have dumped money into it. |
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21st April 2006, 14:01
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Under the industrial and provident society rules the club would not be able to reformat itself It would need to have 75% of its members vote to disolve the club and any profits would also have to go to a nominated charity |
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26th April 2006, 05:25
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15th May 2006, 03:38
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These "the fans", Jason, are the elected board. We voted for them and they make decisions. If we don't like their decisions, we don't reelect them.
I'm not being funny, but this club wasn't formed by smart arses on an internet messageboard. Most bases have been covered and the carpetbagging issue is dealt with as best as it can be. There is no perfect answer to that problem, as I'm sure you'll know. You have to take away a freedom to preserve the freedom. Paradoxes are awkward like that. FC will always be what its members want it to be - that is the point. It can be a protest, party or an advertising board if we want it to be, but I doubt we'll want it to be the latter. I think it'll just be a football club. It won't be what some dickheads on the net want to make it out to be to try and prove their own loyalty to Manchester United [not a go at you, btw]. Laker - nobody can buy FC. That's kind of the point. |
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15th May 2006, 11:23
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15th May 2006, 11:27
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