Two dickheads on the pitch at FC

Guvnorgaz · 5th October 2006, 22:40

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Originally Posted by TheRedFlag

us lot nobbing off?

thats a good one, i still go to OT on a regular basis (hint hint) but I can easily recognise that the soul of Manchester United has gone.

That happened a long time ago

dicko · 5th October 2006, 22:50

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Originally Posted by Guvnorgaz

They hate old Malc and the boys but are happy to use their club to try and promote their own by making people think the two are linked

It is pretty obvious that the two are linked. 90+% of FC supporters are also United fans.

Like you, I don't see Glazer as THE reason for FC existing. Football has been changing for years. All-seater stadia, the premiership and Sky were big recent factors in this continuing move from football as sport to football as business. The club being bought by a billionaire from a non-footballing country was the straw that broke the camel's back for many.

I remember being shocked when a middle-aged bloke told me he no longer followed football because of the emphasis on money. The overpaid, image-obsessed players move from club to club because the were offered bigger contracts or were 'too big' for the club that had nurtured them. He complained about the lack of integrity and common decency and how it was no longer the game he grew up with. I didn't understand what he meant. That was in about 1970 and now I often feel the same.

Guvnorgaz · 5th October 2006, 23:06

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Originally Posted by dicko

It is pretty obvious that the two are linked. 90+% of FC supporters are also United fans.

Like you, I don't see Glazer as THE reason for FC existing. Football has been changing for years. All-seater stadia, the premiership and Sky were big recent factors in this continuing move from football as sport to football as business. The club being bought by a billionaire from a non-footballing country was the straw that broke the camel's back for many.

I remember being shocked when a middle-aged bloke told me he no longer followed football because of the emphasis on money. The overpaid, image-obsessed players move from club to club because the were offered bigger contracts or were 'too big' for the club that had nurtured them. He complained about the lack of integrity and common decency and how it was no longer the game he grew up with. I didn't understand what he meant. That was in about 1970 and now I often feel the same.

The fans are as much to blame for the money men in football always looking to make as much money as possible, thsi summer was a prime example, we spent 14m on Carrick, tried to buy Hargreaves and still we get fuckwits moaning about the lack of transfer cash, where do they think the money comes from? If the club dropped ticket prices and only made 10m profit each year and spent half on players they would all be whining like fuck. Its obvious that if fans moan about the lack of transfers then the first thing any club will do is stick ticket prices up

ralphie88 · 5th October 2006, 23:37

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Originally Posted by jasonrh

Umm, starting this thread in the MUFC forum is a deliberate attempt to start the same old bullshit FCUM vs. MUFC nonsense yet again.

Hence, it is designed to be a WUM. The fact it was moved illustrates my point.

I know its a tough concept for someone like you with his head so far up his fucking twat to understand, but there it is.

You've missed the point. The aggro was started by Manchester United supporters. If United had kicked off at, say Villa, would it have been a 'WUM'? The fact it was moved just indicates that some of the Mods on here don't like proper debates, they prefer threads like "Gary Neville: Legend. Discuss".

If you ever make it to Manchester we can have a chat. That's not a threat, I'll probably be about 80 by then and unable to use physical force against you.

dicko · 6th October 2006, 00:20

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Originally Posted by Guvnorgaz

The fans are as much to blame for the money men in football always looking to make as much money as possible, thsi summer was a prime example, we spent 14m on Carrick, tried to buy Hargreaves and still we get fuckwits moaning about the lack of transfer cash, where do they think the money comes from? If the club dropped ticket prices and only made 10m profit each year and spent half on players they would all be whining like fuck. Its obvious that if fans moan about the lack of transfers then the first thing any club will do is stick ticket prices up

A problem is when we talk about 'the fans', 'the clubs' and 'the players'. There are huge differences of opinion within each group.

The majority of 'the fans' demand success and big name players. To provide this 'the clubs' need to raise money from whatever source they can, including the fans. There are, however, fans at all clubs who disagree with this attitude.

United fans were the first to take their disagreement as far as creating another club*. I don't see FC as a rival club because they are unlikely to ever rival United.

I guess most FC fans see United as their first club and FC as their second. Most other people also have a second team. The level of support for it varies. It might be as little as checking the results when they remember every month or so. It might be watching them play on a regular basis.

FC gives disillusioned United fans a place to vent their opposition to the changes without entirely leaving United. Other clubs' fans may start similar clubs and, perhaps, the voice of protest will be heard. I doubt if 'mass conscience' will ever win over 'mass greed' but politicians or regulators may step in if things become too vocal.

*I don't count Wimbledon. The club left the area.

Shane Bluck · 6th October 2006, 01:05

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Originally Posted by TheRedFlag

Twats - as are all those who dislike FCUM.

agreed.

Moorsey1 · 6th October 2006, 09:23

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Originally Posted by The Kippax Kid

im a manc lass, i support city, i didnt support anyone the other night, i went because i like football.

That part wasn't meant for you but the rest of the forum should have made myself clearer.......did you enjoy the game what did you think about they way Salford played?

heightmassive · 8th October 2006, 08:46

It's all very sad this.

Has it been established who they were? Were they just a bunch of scrotes from Weaste?

I go casually to FC and enjoy it, if it starts getting to the point where things are really militant and there's aggro, it'll put the floaters like me off.

Funnily enough there was a bloke behind me a few weeks back that got smacked for wearing an FC cap. Bloke in the Stretford end twatted for wearing an FC hat

Do the FC regulars feel theres more of an 'us and them' attitude this year?

redfan · 8th October 2006, 11:36

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Originally Posted by heightmassive

It's all very sad this.

Has it been established who they were? Were they just a bunch of scrotes from Weaste?

I go casually to FC and enjoy it, if it starts getting to the point where things are really militant and there's aggro, it'll put the floaters like me off.

Funnily enough there was a bloke behind me a few weeks back that got smacked for wearing an FC cap. Bloke in the Stretford end twatted for wearing an FC hat

Do the FC regulars feel theres more of an 'us and them' attitude this year?

I think that there are a small minority of big United fans who have a problem with FC, at the end of the day FC is a protest against Glazer, football or prices, it is not a protest against United. It will not put me off it will make me dig my heels in, makes me wonder who in fact is the judas.

northroad1878 · 8th October 2006, 15:24

Which is the jobsworth mod then? This United issue has sat happily in the correct forum for 5 days. Why move it now?

ladybarnred · 8th October 2006, 21:01

Here you go I'll tell you the score.

Once upon a time Manchester United fans were a right bunch of cunts. Everyone hated us and we went round England mob-handed causing trouble. During this time a man called Tony became a "face" and started slapping non-United fans. By all accounts he was good at it (if he says so himself in not one but two books) and went on to become one of the main "faces" in United's "firm".

Fast forward to recently and Tony can't watch United in England anymore because he's permanently banned from all football grounds. So he sets up a travel company to organise tours in Europe. Sounds great... get to watch United and make a few quid, plus if it kicks off abroad Tony is with you.

FC is formed basically from Red Issue, UWS and IMUSA-wallas who all know who Tony is because they've time served reds, home and away.

Tony asks FC if he can organise the coaches for FC away games. FC think this is a shit idea because his reputation will smear FC.

Tony gets upset because now he can't do coaches and the people going watching FC are the same people who went on loads of Euro aways so he's lost twice.

Tony starts a smear campaign against FC, cuminating in trying to get into Gigg Lane with his mates with the banner and then going to Salford with it.

Tony and his mates dropped a proper bollock because chanting "USA!" and "There's only one Malcolm Glazer" whilst getting no repsonse from FC fans has alienated them from match going reds.

So I wouldn't worry about going to watch FC... especially at Gigg Lane where the police will stop him and his mates from going in.

dicko · 8th October 2006, 22:23

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Originally Posted by redfan

I think that there are a small minority of big United fans who have a problem with FC, at the end of the day FC is a protest against Glazer, football or prices, it is not a protest against United. It will not put me off it will make me dig my heels in, makes me wonder who in fact is the judas.

You've summed up eighteen months of my thinking in half a sentence.

Nem 7 · 8th October 2006, 23:45

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Originally Posted by ralphie88

Y The fact it was moved just indicates that some of the Mods on here don't like proper debates, they prefer threads like "Gary Neville: Legend. Discuss".

That's so true.

ralphie88 · 8th October 2006, 23:51

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Originally Posted by ladybarnred

Here you go I'll tell you the score.

Once upon a time Manchester United fans were a right bunch of cunts. Everyone hated us and we went round England mob-handed causing trouble. During this time a man called Tony became a "face" and started slapping non-United fans. By all accounts he was good at it (if he says so himself in not one but two books) and went on to become one of the main "faces" in United's "firm".

Fast forward to recently and Tony can't watch United in England anymore because he's permanently banned from all football grounds. So he sets up a travel company to organise tours in Europe. Sounds great... get to watch United and make a few quid, plus if it kicks off abroad Tony is with you.

FC is formed basically from Red Issue, UWS and IMUSA-wallas who all know who Tony is because they've time served reds, home and away.

Tony asks FC if he can organise the coaches for FC away games. FC think this is a shit idea because his reputation will smear FC.

Tony gets upset because now he can't do coaches and the people going watching FC are the same people who went on loads of Euro aways so he's lost twice.

Tony starts a smear campaign against FC, cuminating in trying to get into Gigg Lane with his mates with the banner and then going to Salford with it.

Tony and his mates dropped a proper bollock because chanting "USA!" and "There's only one Malcolm Glazer" whilst getting no repsonse from FC fans has alienated them from match going reds.

So I wouldn't worry about going to watch FC... especially at Gigg Lane where the police will stop him and his mates from going in.

Close but no cigar.

1. FC is nothing to do with SU/MUST. In fact MUST are well aware that FC diverts funds from the trust.

2. The cops can't stop TON going to FC as bans don't apply to that level of football, only FC can do that. And the last time TON went to FC, he was not prevented from entering (although he decided not to do so).

3. TON wasn't at Salford.

redfan · 9th October 2006, 01:57

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Originally Posted by ralphie88

Close but no cigar.

1. FC is nothing to do with SU/MUST. In fact MUST are well aware that FC diverts funds from the trust.

2. The cops can't stop TON going to FC as bans don't apply to that level of football, only FC can do that. And the last time TON went to FC, he was not prevented from entering (although he decided not to do so).

3. TON wasn't at Salford.

I still support MUST, I support FC but I will never give Glazer a fucking penny.

ladybarnred · 9th October 2006, 09:40

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Originally Posted by ralphie88

Close but no cigar.

1. FC is nothing to do with SU/MUST. In fact MUST are well aware that FC diverts funds from the trust.

2. The cops can't stop TON going to FC as bans don't apply to that level of football, only FC can do that. And the last time TON went to FC, he was not prevented from entering (although he decided not to do so).

3. TON wasn't at Salford.

1. Never mentioned MUST/SU. FC was formed from UWS/RI/IMUSA.... obviously from the board members.

Plus if you're saying money is being diverted from FCs trust, I'd hire a solicitor... quick!

2. They can stop him he is banned from football LEAGUE GROUNDS. He can't walk on the other side SMB Way because it's too close to OT. Gigg Lane is a League Ground (until the end of the season at least

) so he can't come in. He can go to most other places FC play.

3. Didn't see him... but that's his banner, and those were his dick-head mates.

The worst of this is that whilst those fucking planks itimidate women and children at FC, Glazer walks the streets unchallenged apart from the actions of FFU and they're full of FC fans?!?!?

ralphie88 · 9th October 2006, 17:00

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Originally Posted by ladybarnred

1. Never mentioned MUST/SU. FC was formed from UWS/RI/IMUSA.... obviously from the board members.

Plus if you're saying money is being diverted from FCs trust, I'd hire a solicitor... quick!

2. They can stop him he is banned from football LEAGUE GROUNDS. He can't walk on the other side SMB Way because it's too close to OT. Gigg Lane is a League Ground (until the end of the season at least

) so he can't come in. He can go to most other places FC play.

1. Apologies, you didn't mention MUST/SU at all, my mistake. And what I was trying to say was that the existence of FC diverted funds from MUST. Mi lud.

2. No I'm afraid you are wrong on that - it is matches, not grounds that are designated for the purposed of the Football Disorder Act (but grounds not matches that are designated for other purposes - eg Sporting Events Act 1985). So he could go to Gigg Lane if he wanted.

ladybarnred · 10th October 2006, 10:01

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Originally Posted by ralphie88

1. Apologies, you didn't mention MUST/SU at all, my mistake. And what I was trying to say was that the existence of FC diverted funds from MUST. Mi lud.

2. No I'm afraid you are wrong on that - it is matches, not grounds that are designated for the purposed of the Football Disorder Act (but grounds not matches that are designated for other purposes - eg Sporting Events Act 1985). So he could go to Gigg Lane if he wanted.

1 - It'll never stand up in court... where there's blame there's a claim!

2 - Really?... well you live and learn

fredthered · 23rd October 2006, 01:07

Lets clear this up..

The two twats on the pitch WERE NOT United fans.

No United fan would stand singing "USA USA" and attempt to start fights with other reds. Those two people were just troublemakers there to stir up shite where there was no shite to stir up.

For one reason or another I know better than anyone else what those two knobheads were doing, and I can assure you they went with the intention of getting some trouble going, and thats precisely what happened...

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heightmassive Anagram of Peter Crouch Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: L.S. Lowry, Albert Finney, Vinegar Vera, Ben Kingsley, Anthony H, Hooky and Barney, Paul Scholes, John Cooper Clarke, Shaun Ryder, Heightmassive - The pride of Salford. Posts: 5,334	It's all very sad this. Has it been established who they were? Were they just a bunch of scrotes from Weaste? I go casually to FC and enjoy it, if it starts getting to the point where things are really militant and there's aggro, it'll put the floaters like me off. Funnily enough there was a bloke behind me a few weeks back that got smacked for wearing an FC cap. Bloke in the Stretford end twatted for wearing an FC hat Do the FC regulars feel theres more of an 'us and them' attitude this year?

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northroad1878 A bit of a brute Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A beaut of a Brit Posts: 1,669	Which is the jobsworth mod then? This United issue has sat happily in the correct forum for 5 days. Why move it now?

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ladybarnred Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Glazer wherever you be, You bought Old Trafford, but you can't buy me, I said "Not for sale" and I meant just that, you can't buy me you greedy twat! Posts: 528	Here you go I'll tell you the score. Once upon a time Manchester United fans were a right bunch of cunts. Everyone hated us and we went round England mob-handed causing trouble. During this time a man called Tony became a "face" and started slapping non-United fans. By all accounts he was good at it (if he says so himself in not one but two books) and went on to become one of the main "faces" in United's "firm". Fast forward to recently and Tony can't watch United in England anymore because he's permanently banned from all football grounds. So he sets up a travel company to organise tours in Europe. Sounds great... get to watch United and make a few quid, plus if it kicks off abroad Tony is with you. FC is formed basically from Red Issue, UWS and IMUSA-wallas who all know who Tony is because they've time served reds, home and away. Tony asks FC if he can organise the coaches for FC away games. FC think this is a shit idea because his reputation will smear FC. Tony gets upset because now he can't do coaches and the people going watching FC are the same people who went on loads of Euro aways so he's lost twice. Tony starts a smear campaign against FC, cuminating in trying to get into Gigg Lane with his mates with the banner and then going to Salford with it. Tony and his mates dropped a proper bollock because chanting "USA!" and "There's only one Malcolm Glazer" whilst getting no repsonse from FC fans has alienated them from match going reds. So I wouldn't worry about going to watch FC... especially at Gigg Lane where the police will stop him and his mates from going in.

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fredthered I want Peter Kenyon back Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 14,491	Lets clear this up.. The two twats on the pitch WERE NOT United fans. No United fan would stand singing "USA USA" and attempt to start fights with other reds. Those two people were just troublemakers there to stir up shite where there was no shite to stir up. For one reason or another I know better than anyone else what those two knobheads were doing, and I can assure you they went with the intention of getting some trouble going, and thats precisely what happened...