The Antwerp thread ´07-´08

oskarutd · 21st August 2007, 12:09

From their offical site:

"Everybody is eagerly awaiting news or information about eventual reinforcements from Manchester. Everybody has it's favourites and expectations, but no news is expected before Thursday from Manchester. Maybe we will only know beginning of next week who will be joining us.

There definitely will be newcomers from accross the channel, but names will only be known as soon as the agreements are signed. The club however already announced via Paul Bistiaux that we are looking for some new blood for the left flank. "There is a lack of leftfooters in the A-team, so it is obvious that we are looking for one or more players", dixit Paul Bistiaux."

Most liklely someone going from Malaysia.

Elliott · 21st August 2007, 12:57

Probably Barnes.

oskarutd · 21st August 2007, 13:18

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Originally Posted by Elliott

Probably Barnes.

Barnes, Lee, Adam, Cathcart all need taste of first team football.

PS18 · 21st August 2007, 13:59

Barnes should be a shoo-in. would prefer Kieran Lee got a domestic loan but he'll probably go too. can't really see Eckersley going back there.

oskarutd · 21st August 2007, 15:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by PS18

Barnes should be a shoo-in. would prefer Kieran Lee got a domestic loan but he'll probably go too. can't really see Eckersley going back there.

I meant these player will most likely go somewhere.

Mr. MUJAC · 21st August 2007, 15:28

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Originally Posted by oskarutd

I meant these player will most likely go somewhere.

With Eagles, Evans, Simpson, Campbell and Pique all likely to stay until at least Christmas, I can't see how Gibson, Martin, Heaton/Zieler will get any first team football...they may need to to go out on loan too!

oskarutd · 21st August 2007, 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. MUJAC

With Eagles, Evans, Simpson, Campbell and Pique all likely to stay until at least Christmas, I can't see how Gibson, Martin, Heaton/Zieler will get any first team football...they may need to to go out on loan too!

Heaton is the 3rd choice keeper so he will stay, has even confirmed it himself.

Primetime · 21st August 2007, 16:07

Send Heinze there.

Mr. MUJAC · 21st August 2007, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by oskarutd

Heaton is the 3rd choice keeper so he will stay, has even confirmed it himself.

Zieler is too old for the U/18's so it looks as though they will either share the reserve team games or one will go out on loan. Kuszczak will no doubt be used every now and then for match practice and Foster may return before the season is out.

Four into one clearly doesn't fit!

It will be interesting to see what actually does happen with all our keepers.

oskarutd · 21st August 2007, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. MUJAC

Zieler is too old for the U/18's so it looks as though they will either share the reserve team games or one will go out on loan. Kuszczak will no doubt be used every now and then for match practice and Foster may return before the season is out.

Four into one clearly doesn't fit!

It will be interesting to see what actually does happen with all our keepers.

Heaton said he might go on loan when Foster will be fit. He was meant to go on loan for all the season.
Zieler will be used as reserves keeper mostly, the other getting a game or three.
Kuzszak will plat in the League cup and some ECL games (my guess).

PS18 · 21st August 2007, 23:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. MUJAC

With Eagles, Evans, Simpson, Campbell and Pique all likely to stay until at least Christmas, I can't see how Gibson, Martin, Heaton/Zieler will get any first team football...they may need to to go out on loan too!

you'd think so. depends whether Fergie stands by his pledge to keep Gibson and Martin with the first-team squad.

oskarutd · 22nd August 2007, 12:30

Does the coach count on reinforcement from Manchester? Does anybody expect players who, like Dong last year, can make the difference in matches where the collective fails? "You don't have guys like Campbell, Shawcross, Gibson, Dong, Evans...this year. Guys like that, worth millions, are unreachable for the average club and can in fact bring that extra quality impulse, which is now probably not available. But this is a well thought choice. Thus club can not , and will not ,depend on another club. That is not the purpose of a co-operation, but last year it was a must to cope with the lack of quality." What is different from last year and wg-hy is it a well thought choice? "The purpose is to be collectively the strongest Class is great but you need much more than only class. You need a collectively strong group, that because of that group feeling learns to combine quicker and plays with passion, fire, and love for football, the club and the fans. The support of our fantastic fans is something we have to earn and preferably with collectively strong performances. That's why we try to reinforce the group with local talent."

WeWonItTwoTimes · 22nd August 2007, 14:22

Goalkeepers

Van Der Sar
Kuszczak
Foster
Heaton (loan)
Zieler
Amos

Defenders

Ferdinand
Vidic
Brown
Evra
Neville
O'Shea
Simpson (loan)
Evans.J
Gray
Eckersley.R
Chester
Cathcart (loan)
Fabio
Rafael
Derbyshire

Midfielders

Scholes
Carrick
Hargreaves
Fletcher
Anderson
Ronaldo
Nani
Giggs
Park
Possebon
Martin (loan)
Gibson
Hewson
Cleverley
Drinkwater
Evans.C
Galbraith
Eikrem

Strikers

Rooney
Berbatov
Tevez
Campbell (loan)
Welbeck
Manucho
Bryan
Brandy (loan)

Lizard King · 29th August 2007, 20:31

Cathcart has gone to Antwerp.

ehsanul · 29th August 2007, 20:41

Great deal for antwerp...

Epic · 29th August 2007, 20:44

Hope we'll send players over there for a full season this time so they could finally get promoted.

oskarutd · 30th August 2007, 15:22

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Originally Posted by lizardking125

Cathcart has gone to Antwerp.

Lea will as well.

from their site:
At present our club rounded off yet three incoming transfers off. It is with in spite of that R Antwerp FC today an agreement reached with with player Craig Cathcart (°06.02.1988), Michael Borrow (°07.11.1987) and Zarko Jelicic. Craig & Michael its originating of sister club Manchester Utd and will in the frame of their aprenticeship by R Antwerp FC training period walk. Engelsman Michael Loan is neat as ex-Antwerpleenspeler Danny Simpson geboortig of Salford and doorliep all youth series till and with the promises team of Manchester Utd. In contrast till the rechtsachter, he feels self best home at the other side of the grounds on linksachter or a place centrally in the apology. Craig Cathcart is geboortig of Glengormley, Honored near Belfast and neat as ex-Antwerpleenspeler Jonnie Evans North-. Also he was called already on young age to Manchester. This linksvoetige polyvalente flank player and jeugdinternational sees to over a strong tackle and a sturdy kopspel, qualities that also Sir Alex Ferguson know to value in the leader of the Manchester-promises team of the voorbije campaign. Over Zarko Jelicic, a separate contribution is prepared. We is named the three novices heartily welcome on the Bosuil and wish they a successful period by our club to.

p.s. Michael Borrow and Michael Loan are an online transilation of Michael Lea.

kevg · 31st August 2007, 19:59

Michael Lee move confirmed:

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={B4CEE8FA-9A47-47BC-B069-3F7A2F35DB70}&newsid=467731

RednProud · 2nd September 2007, 09:40

I went to watch RAFC v. Ostende on Wednesday night (I was in town on a business trip). The RAFC fans already had the news that Cathcart and Lee would be joining them soon.

RAFC won 2:0 and missed an open header to make it 3:0. They looked workmankike and tried to pass the ball, although they often reverted to long balls over the top.

2 young left sided players came on late in the match and looked pretty useful (in this company). One is apparently an Irish lad called 'Ritchie Ryan' and the other is an ex-England U21 international called 'Docherty'.

I thought the fans support and atmosphere was superb although I am told that they can quickly turn on the team if they don't play well.

Overall it was an enjoyable experience and made me realise how lucky we are to see the talent of players like Rooney and Ronaldo every week.

westlife4ever · 10th September 2007, 05:41

There's a player called Henry McStay in the Antwerp squad, he came from Leeds United academy

mista john · 30th September 2007, 11:38

Craig Cathcart and Michael Lea made their Antwerp debuts last week. Both in back four. It was a 1-1 draw against Olympic Charleroi. There are a few other Brits in the squad: Kirk Hilton is still there but out through long-term injury, Henry McStay (NI, defender) signed from Portadown, Sean Docherty signed from Southport and has played for about 6 clubs, Richie Ryan (Irish) from Boston United and Souleymane Mamam is still there but he is now an Antwerp player. Presumably United are no longer interested.

Apart from Cathcart and Lea (just arrived), McStay is the only regular from that lot. I find it very hard to generate interest this season. Antwerp are seemingly going nowhere and I am surprised United sent Cathcart. Mind you, after Coventry, SAF could crate up about 6 of the guys who were here before and send them back.

Belgian 2nd division is complete chaos this year. The league has been taken to court. They lost. One weeks' fixtures cancelled. New teams added after a few games have been played. Fixtures totally rearranged. Now 19 clubs in league. Example, Antwerp have played Olympic Cherleroi twice this year. Legal battles still being fought. Anything could happen.

PS18 · 30th September 2007, 20:47

that's discouraging, they finally looked to be getting somewhere last season. there'll surely come a point sooner rather than later where United don't consider the link-up to be worthwhile, unless Antwerp can get into the top division.

mista john · 30th September 2007, 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by PS18

that's discouraging, they finally looked to be getting somewhere last season. there'll surely come a point sooner rather than later where United don't consider the link-up to be worthwhile, unless Antwerp can get into the top division.

It's a joke now. They only have 2 players in first team from last season. They have no money and a ground that needs flattening and rebuilding, or they merge with the other Antwerp club - who are in the first division.

Today they lost 4-1 at Kortrijk. Cathcart opened the scoring and they then conceded 4 goals in the last 20 minutes.

WeWonItTwoTimes · 18th January 2008, 20:22

Will there be any players going to Antwerp for the second half of the season?

mista john · 19th January 2008, 10:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeWonItTwoTimes

Will there be any players going to Antwerp for the second half of the season?

I personally doubt it. It looks like United had a last throw of the dice last season and it failed. An here's what the club website said at the beginning of January:

"Paul Bistiaux confirmed that it was the last match for Lea and Cathcart. Both players return to Manchester where their performance and progression will be evaluated. After that we will have to await the decision of the Man United management about them and eventual other players."

WeWonItTwoTimes · 28th August 2008, 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by mista john

I personally doubt it. It looks like United had a last throw of the dice last season and it failed. An here's what the club website said at the beginning of January:

"Paul Bistiaux confirmed that it was the last match for Lea and Cathcart. Both players return to Manchester where their performance and progression will be evaluated. After that we will have to await the decision of the Man United management about them and eventual other players."

What's the situation going to be this season? Any news from Antwerp about the possibility of players joining on loan?

It seems that the link between the two clubs might be coming to an end.

mista john · 28th August 2008, 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeWonItTwoTimes

What's the situation going to be this season? Any news from Antwerp about the possibility of players joining on loan?

It seems that the link between the two clubs might be coming to an end.

I have heard nothing. I'll check but I think it's dead.

PS18 · 28th August 2008, 22:37

The Antwerp chairman or chief exec was commenting on the affiliation on the press not long ago (think it was the 10th anniversary of the first player being loaned from us to them) and from that article it certainly seemed as if the link was still ongoing.

Cathcart and Lea didn't move until the last few days of the window last year so I guess there's still time for something to happen.

Mr. MUJAC · 29th August 2008, 08:51

I would have said a good move for Chester, Eckersley, Drinkwater or Hewson.

But with no central defenders coming through at u/-18 level, I can't see us loaning out anyone.

It might be more reasonable to expect something to happen in the second half of the year.

21st August 2007, 12:09	#1 (permalink)
oskarutd Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Iceland Posts: 1,322	The Antwerp thread ´07-´08 From their offical site: "Everybody is eagerly awaiting news or information about eventual reinforcements from Manchester. Everybody has it's favourites and expectations, but no news is expected before Thursday from Manchester. Maybe we will only know beginning of next week who will be joining us. There definitely will be newcomers from accross the channel, but names will only be known as soon as the agreements are signed. The club however already announced via Paul Bistiaux that we are looking for some new blood for the left flank. "There is a lack of leftfooters in the A-team, so it is obvious that we are looking for one or more players", dixit Paul Bistiaux." Most liklely someone going from Malaysia.

22nd August 2007, 12:30	#12 (permalink)
oskarutd Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Iceland Posts: 1,322	From Antwerp site Does the coach count on reinforcement from Manchester? Does anybody expect players who, like Dong last year, can make the difference in matches where the collective fails? "You don't have guys like Campbell, Shawcross, Gibson, Dong, Evans...this year. Guys like that, worth millions, are unreachable for the average club and can in fact bring that extra quality impulse, which is now probably not available. But this is a well thought choice. Thus club can not , and will not ,depend on another club. That is not the purpose of a co-operation, but last year it was a must to cope with the lack of quality." What is different from last year and wg-hy is it a well thought choice? "The purpose is to be collectively the strongest Class is great but you need much more than only class. You need a collectively strong group, that because of that group feeling learns to combine quicker and plays with passion, fire, and love for football, the club and the fans. The support of our fantastic fans is something we have to earn and preferably with collectively strong performances. That's why we try to reinforce the group with local talent."

22nd August 2007, 14:22	#13 (permalink)
WeWonItTwoTimes The Cnut can't count Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ''We're getting beat by fucking BINMEN!!'', RAWK, 26th January 2008 Posts: 1,987	Professionals Goalkeepers Van Der Sar Kuszczak Foster Heaton (loan) Zieler Amos Defenders Ferdinand Vidic Brown Evra Neville O'Shea Simpson (loan) Evans.J Gray Eckersley.R Chester Cathcart (loan) Fabio Rafael Derbyshire Midfielders Scholes Carrick Hargreaves Fletcher Anderson Ronaldo Nani Giggs Park Possebon Martin (loan) Gibson Hewson Cleverley Drinkwater Evans.C Galbraith Eikrem Strikers Rooney Berbatov Tevez Campbell (loan) Welbeck Manucho Bryan Brandy (loan)

30th September 2007, 11:38	#21 (permalink)
mista john Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Brussels, just behind the Mannekin Pis Posts: 895	Antwerp news Craig Cathcart and Michael Lea made their Antwerp debuts last week. Both in back four. It was a 1-1 draw against Olympic Charleroi. There are a few other Brits in the squad: Kirk Hilton is still there but out through long-term injury, Henry McStay (NI, defender) signed from Portadown, Sean Docherty signed from Southport and has played for about 6 clubs, Richie Ryan (Irish) from Boston United and Souleymane Mamam is still there but he is now an Antwerp player. Presumably United are no longer interested. Apart from Cathcart and Lea (just arrived), McStay is the only regular from that lot. I find it very hard to generate interest this season. Antwerp are seemingly going nowhere and I am surprised United sent Cathcart. Mind you, after Coventry, SAF could crate up about 6 of the guys who were here before and send them back. Belgian 2nd division is complete chaos this year. The league has been taken to court. They lost. One weeks' fixtures cancelled. New teams added after a few games have been played. Fixtures totally rearranged. Now 19 clubs in league. Example, Antwerp have played Olympic Cherleroi twice this year. Legal battles still being fought. Anything could happen.

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21st August 2007, 12:57	#2 (permalink)
Elliott Likes Loan Stickies Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,566	Probably Barnes.

21st August 2007, 13:59	#4 (permalink)
PS18 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ruud ftw Posts: 794	Barnes should be a shoo-in. would prefer Kieran Lee got a domestic loan but he'll probably go too. can't really see Eckersley going back there.

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Primetime Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Calgary Posts: 1,120	Send Heinze there.

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Lizard King Join Date: May 2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 12,286	Cathcart has gone to Antwerp.

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ehsanul Bestower of favours Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Man utd till i die Posts: 4,379	Great deal for antwerp...

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Epic First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: no man's land Posts: 5,970	Hope we'll send players over there for a full season this time so they could finally get promoted.

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kevg Youth Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 267	Michael Lee move confirmed: http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={B4CEE8FA-9A47-47BC-B069-3F7A2F35DB70}&newsid=467731

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RednProud Youth Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Peterborugh Posts: 236	I went to watch RAFC v. Ostende on Wednesday night (I was in town on a business trip). The RAFC fans already had the news that Cathcart and Lee would be joining them soon. RAFC won 2:0 and missed an open header to make it 3:0. They looked workmankike and tried to pass the ball, although they often reverted to long balls over the top. 2 young left sided players came on late in the match and looked pretty useful (in this company). One is apparently an Irish lad called 'Ritchie Ryan' and the other is an ex-England U21 international called 'Docherty'. I thought the fans support and atmosphere was superb although I am told that they can quickly turn on the team if they don't play well. Overall it was an enjoyable experience and made me realise how lucky we are to see the talent of players like Rooney and Ronaldo every week.

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westlife4ever Youth Team Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Changsha, China Page Ranking Posts: 335	There's a player called Henry McStay in the Antwerp squad, he came from Leeds United academy

30th September 2007, 20:47	#22 (permalink)
PS18 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ruud ftw Posts: 794	that's discouraging, they finally looked to be getting somewhere last season. there'll surely come a point sooner rather than later where United don't consider the link-up to be worthwhile, unless Antwerp can get into the top division.

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WeWonItTwoTimes The Cnut can't count Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ''We're getting beat by fucking BINMEN!!'', RAWK, 26th January 2008 Posts: 1,987	Will there be any players going to Antwerp for the second half of the season?

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PS18 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ruud ftw Posts: 794	The Antwerp chairman or chief exec was commenting on the affiliation on the press not long ago (think it was the 10th anniversary of the first player being loaned from us to them) and from that article it certainly seemed as if the link was still ongoing. Cathcart and Lea didn't move until the last few days of the window last year so I guess there's still time for something to happen.

29th August 2008, 08:51	#29 (permalink)
Mr. MUJAC Talent spotter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Louis Rocca started it all... Posts: 2,223	I would have said a good move for Chester, Eckersley, Drinkwater or Hewson. But with no central defenders coming through at u/-18 level, I can't see us loaning out anyone. It might be more reasonable to expect something to happen in the second half of the year.