Rafael and Fabio

Solius · 13th March 2008, 23:30

What's the news on these guys? Are they in England yet? I remember reading they'd come to United in January, haven't heard anything since.

prateik · 14th March 2008, 01:46

dont think they can play anything but friendlies until they turn 18 (in aug)
think they are training with uss

westlife4ever · 14th March 2008, 13:47

they' re surely training with us now. sir alex mentioned that in Red View last week i think.

PS18 · 15th March 2008, 14:07

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Originally Posted by prateik

dont think they can play anything but friendlies until they turn 18 (in aug)
think they are training with uss

early July they turn 18 iirc (July 9th rings a bell for some reason) so i think they should be available for all of pre-season. they're definitely training with us now, keep seeing them at OT on matchdays in their club tracksuits.

Solius · 15th March 2008, 23:54

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Originally Posted by PS18

early July they turn 18 iirc (July 9th rings a bell for some reason) so i think they should be available for all of pre-season. they're definitely training with us now, keep seeing them at OT on matchdays in their club tracksuits.

Correct.

WAZZA-UP · 17th July 2008, 10:23

Has anyone seen these lads play for us yet? When are they making there debut?

Danish Wizard · 17th July 2008, 12:55

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Originally Posted by WAZZA-UP

Has anyone seen these lads play for us yet? When are they making there debut?

They haven't played for us yet.. They will probably make their debuts for the reserves, while the first team squad is in South-Africa..

Elliott · 17th July 2008, 13:42

It'll be very interesting to see what level they're on. They made their Brazil u17 debuts shortly after turning 15 but as far as I know they haven't progressed beyond that level.

PS18 · 17th July 2008, 14:31

Don't think they played much (if at all) for Fluminense after the U17 World Cup last year because they were bound for United, so I guess they weren't in condition to play for the national team.

They were on the bench at Burscough on Saturday (not as substitutes but they were there in training gear), might get to see them at Altrincham on Saturday or maybe Oxford the week after.

WAZZA-UP · 17th July 2008, 15:36

Thanks for the info

Kelvin · 19th July 2008, 17:59

did both of them played today?

Elliott · 20th July 2008, 18:05

Neither. Nor did Petrucci. The new boys are being held back a bit for some reason. But I'm sure we'll be raving about them before long.

Mr. MUJAC · 20th July 2008, 18:38

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Originally Posted by Elliott

Neither. Nor did Petrucci. The new boys are being held back a bit for some reason. But I'm sure we'll be raving about them before long.

Petrucci is way too young! He will have a good season or so with Academy before seeing Reserve team action.

Elliott · 20th July 2008, 20:06

Rumor has it Roma were thinkng of giving him a few minutes of first team footie in the near future. Macheda and Brady played for the reserves at 16 last season, I'm sure Petrucci will this season.

ruudvantastic · 21st July 2008, 02:28

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Originally Posted by Mr. MUJAC

Petrucci is way too young! He will have a good season or so with Academy before seeing Reserve team action.

Rossi was only in the academy for a couple of months tops before playing for the reserves. I haven't seen him play of course but if he's as good as Roma are annoyed at losing him then I'd hope for similiar progression.

jonnymee23 · 21st July 2008, 13:20

I wouldnt be surprised to see Petrucci go straight into the reserves. The Roma chief said that he wouldve made the Roma first team soon had he stayed.

Name Changed · 22nd July 2008, 10:45

So far I have been very disappointed, especially with the first team friendlies, not seeing some of the young players get their chance.

Why haven't Fabio and Rafael being involved? Petrucci?

Mr. MUJAC · 22nd July 2008, 15:06

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Originally Posted by ruudvantastic

Rossi was only in the academy for a couple of months tops before playing for the reserves. I haven't seen him play of course but if he's as good as Roma are annoyed at losing him then I'd hope for similiar progression.

Rossi was more than a year older at the time! He was only eligible for our Youth and 18's for one season so naturally was pushed on quicker. Same with Pique.

Petrucci is 16 and has 2/3 years in the 18's yet.

The Roma comment I take witha pinch of salt.....another way of getting more money in compensation from United.

We'll see in due course.

Virtuoso · 22nd July 2008, 15:33

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Originally Posted by Mr. MUJAC

Rossi was more than a year older at the time! He was only eligible for our Youth and 18's for one season so naturally was pushed on quicker. Same with Pique.

Petrucci is 16 and has 2/3 years in the 18's yet.

The Roma comment I take witha pinch of salt.....another way of getting more money in compensation from United.

We'll see in due course.

It's all conjecture at the moment because none of us really know whether Petrucci will play more so in the Academy or Reserves but he will turn 17 in October so he only has 1 or 2 seasons maximum in the Academy. Macheda is only 3 months older and a lot less well regarded as Petrucci who has taken the Italy national youth teams by storm. I think that Davide Petrucci will definitely be pushed up into the Reserves early despite all the striking options we have (some going out on loan). The only reason I could see for holding Petrucci back would be to get him more accustomed to English football at a lower level whereas someone like Macheda already has a season's worth of experience under his belt.

Also, though I agree that Roma's hissy-fit regarding us signing Petrucci was excessive intentionally and for ulterior reasons, I do genuinely think he was going to get sporadic call ups to the first team squad for them in the same vein as Riccardo Brosco who is in the same age bracket. Look forward to seeing him play because at the moment we're all just basing our opinions on what we've heard/read.

MancFanFromManc · 22nd July 2008, 15:35

Aug 4. Peterborough.
Sounds like an ideal first chance to see em ( ? )

Elliott · Today, 11:36

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Originally Posted by Virtuoso

Macheda is only 3 months older and a lot less well regarded as Petrucci who has taken the Italy national youth teams by storm

Good post but it should be noted that Macheda was a star performer for Italy u16s when we signed him and did well for the u17s towards the end of last season.

Virtuoso · Today, 11:52

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Originally Posted by Elliott

Good post but it should be noted that Macheda was a star performer for Italy u16s when we signed him and did well for the u17s towards the end of last season.

Yeah, I'm a big fan of Macheda. I really think he can do well at United and completely agree with your post in the other thread about a possible long term option if he adopts the United work ethic etc. Not sure why, but Macheda wasn't being picked for the Italy U17s much after the mid-way point in last season. Davide Petrucci has proven himself for the Allievi Nazionali as top goalscorer for the highly talented Roma academy and was top goalscorer for Italy U17s without being an out and out striker - he's certainly got a bigger billing than Federico Macheda but from what we've seen from Macheda last season, he is a special talent and could have a future with us.

Name Changed · Today, 12:08

What about Fabio and Rafael? Where are they?

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14th March 2008, 01:46	#2 (permalink)
prateik Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,932	dont think they can play anything but friendlies until they turn 18 (in aug) think they are training with uss

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westlife4ever Youth Team Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Changsha, China Page Ranking Posts: 334	they' re surely training with us now. sir alex mentioned that in Red View last week i think.

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WAZZA-UP Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ... who knows Posts: 1,425	Has anyone seen these lads play for us yet? When are they making there debut?

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Elliott Likes Loan Stickies Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,139	It'll be very interesting to see what level they're on. They made their Brazil u17 debuts shortly after turning 15 but as far as I know they haven't progressed beyond that level.

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PS18 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ruud ftw Posts: 652	Don't think they played much (if at all) for Fluminense after the U17 World Cup last year because they were bound for United, so I guess they weren't in condition to play for the national team. They were on the bench at Burscough on Saturday (not as substitutes but they were there in training gear), might get to see them at Altrincham on Saturday or maybe Oxford the week after.

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WAZZA-UP Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ... who knows Posts: 1,425	Thanks for the info

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Elliott Likes Loan Stickies Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,139	Neither. Nor did Petrucci. The new boys are being held back a bit for some reason. But I'm sure we'll be raving about them before long.

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Elliott Likes Loan Stickies Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,139	Rumor has it Roma were thinkng of giving him a few minutes of first team footie in the near future. Macheda and Brady played for the reserves at 16 last season, I'm sure Petrucci will this season.

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